A Song of Ice and Fire /Game of Thrones Discussion V2: Winter Is Here
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I don't need to be "happy" with how things turn out. I need it to make sense and jive with the rest of the show, while being done in a convincing way. You could kill off everyone and have hot pie be king due to how well he could shape bread if you do it right i'd be fine with it. But not like this... not like this...
Precisely. I have no interest on who ends up on the throne. I'm only interested in how we got to that point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvyUkkfulLc
Episode 4 dropped to 57% on Rotten Tomatoes and is the second episode to receive a rotten score for the entire show. For comparison's sake, Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken is sitting at 54% as the worst episode in the series.
Kind of interesting seeing the score drop over time; I think it was around 74% shortly after release.
https://i.imgur.com/RhTmLQO.mp4
The First Law trilogy (Joe Abercrombie) and it's spin-offs are excellent, one of my favourite fantasy series and a sequel trilogy is starting to be released soon too.
Realm of the Elderlings (Robin Hobb) is up there for me as well. Its a long series, something like 16 books, but they're split into trilogies so it's a bit more digestible.
The Wheel of Time (Robert Jordan) is also pretty good but quite long and some people complain that it starts to drag in the middle. The last few books were written posthumously by Brandon Sanderson so the tone changes a bit but he's a decent writer and had access to a lot of notes so it isn't that bad. Apparently there is also a TV series of The Wheel of Time in production so you can get ahead by reading the books first and then be disappointed by that as well.
Speaking of Brandon Sanderson, apparently he has a few good series himself, although they are very different from GoT. I think Mistborn and The Stormlight Archive are considered his best.
I also really like the Traitor Son Cycle by Miles Cameron but I don't see it in many recommendation lists so it might just be me. The author is a medieval reenactor so he likes to get way into the detail of the combat and daily life of a mercenary company. His ongoing series Masters and Mages is also shaping up to be pretty good.
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I think forgot was the wrong word, they just assumed the fleet would still be at King's Landing, waiting for them.
King's Landing is right next door to Dragonstone. How could they not know that there would be a risk in just sailing right up without any recon?
If Kings Landing was my city, and Dragonstone was vacant, I would take it the second I could. It sits at the entrance of Blackwater Bay. It's basically a permanent blockade fortress.
All they really needed to add was two scenes. One where Danerys and Co were assured that Dragonstone had been scouted and safe, and another afterward where they revealed their scouts either fucked up/were traitors.
But then again people would just bitch about having shitty scouts.
It was weak writing to be sure, but I think the hatewagon has been going too strong for a lot of people to get off it since the show passed the point of the books and "authentic adaption" was no longer something people could fall back on to argue for it.
Remember how many people were enraged by the Red Wedding or Jon's Death, calling it shock-jock writing? I do.
The scale for Westeros is a bit misleading, most people would think it's the size of the UK when infact is like South America. It would be pretty easy to sail around. Now if this were WW2 westeros with radar and what not it would be a different story
how is circumnavigating south america easier than sailing around the uk
You can't even get to the other side of Westeros from KL lmao, blackwater bay is much bigger than it appears is what I'm saying. Theirs no fleet that could possibly blockade it from Dragonstone.
I don't think the show is garbage (I genuinely enjoyed Episode 3 despite its flaws, and Episode 2 was magical), but they are making a LOT of really stupid story and character decisions. There are a few ways these last two episodes can redeem and possibly even explain some of the more ridiculous stuff this season has given us (similar to how the Littlefinger subplot was resolved last season) so I'm still holding out hope for that, but let's not pretend that they've been reasonable with some of the contrivances.
right, thought you meant literally sailing all the way around westeros just to come at the blackwater from a different direction lol
but since we're talking about it, large blockades were feasible and accomplished by simply placing ships at signaling distance, could even be hull down over the horizon with a sufficiently sized signal - which at night could be done at some considerable distances with lanterns - and having the main fleet anchored in a strategic and equidistant place, assuming winds were favorable. with Dragonstone so close resupplying said fleet would be done rather easily.
Not to forget dragons, if you had them, would go a long way to assist.
If any of you are following the leaks this thread is really interesting, it even references that scene above before the photos came out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/blxugc/unos_cuantos_spoilers/?sort=new
I read that thread last night and my god, I've never hoped for any leaks to be true more than that one. It would redeem this season in a big way AND wouldn't betray existing character development like a lot of other leaks seem to.
Which is why it's probably fake. Gonna be a long 4 days.
I've never read GoT leaks before and I don't wanna start now but my God it's tempting
https://media1.tenor.com/images/bb72bd6f3c60300f9e9beb82286dae23/tenor.gif?itemid=5031443
Stay strong friend. We can do it together.
Honestly you probably shouldn't for one simple reason: the sad ones will just fill you with frustration and anger until Sunday, and the (relatively) happy ones might bring you up ever higher so you come crashing down all that much harder.
It's not too late. Save yourself, I'm already lost.
Leaked script for the series finale
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/108621/6a6364cf-4274-4eaf-8ec1-e39e9bf9e1f1/image.png
I've found the script for one of the fake endings they filmed:
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/108633/abea05b5-aef9-4be7-8ad2-027b616848a0/image.png
(same text generator)
The entire season will we worth it as long as we get 📣📣📣📣📣 CLEGANEBOWL GET HYPE 📣📣📣📣📣📣
All she needed to do was give Gendry a rowboat and tell him to go to Dragonstone first.
At this rate Cleganebowl will happen offscreen
weird that the quoted spoiler text doesn't censor the emoji
I guess it's an unpopular opinion, but I couldn't give two shits about the Cleganebowl, mostly because the Mountain is now a mindless undead and, thus, I guess he won't be held accountable for his past atrocities and Sandor won't have any kind of moral confrontation with his brother, only yet another sword fight (I can only guess a cool sword fight, but still)
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