A Song of Ice and Fire /Game of Thrones Discussion V2: Winter Is Here
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v48Ol0D-l4E
Just in case you still think its unrealistic that Dany would burn KL. She did what she said she was going to do. Burn cities to the ground.
It's not switch. Bad writing without context is bad writing simple as, specifically in light of DBW understanding the context perfectly, and ignoring for brevity's benefit.
You simply don't fuck your audience like that. They were perfectly within their rights to change the endings with GRRM's blessing to fit THEIR context and did not. It does not serve the characters, it does not serve the audience, it does not serve the cast, it doesn't serve anyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94G0Gxh1cU
Only good part of the episode.
And if you don't understand the song reference then I'm going to need to eat every fucking chicken in your room.
You know, I don't want to drop GoT just a few episodes before it ends but this is uh...
Yeah.
It feels like we're seeing Game of Thrones through the lens of nothing but formula. When you strip out any sort of characterization or world-building, all you're left with is a story that keeps changing direction when you least expect it. That's all that's left of Game of Thrones at this point.
Arya simply changing her mind is stupid, but the purpose of her living through the razing of the city is to give her motivation to immediately go after Mad Dan. That's what it seems like to me. Of course they could have her shell shocked and not want anything to do with this shit any more, which is also a possibility.
I don't watch trailers, so if there's some hint don't @ me.
The last few seasons of corner-cutting writing choices have finally accumulated to what has to be the most insane episode ever.
I was in disbelief for most of the episode. I couldn't believe how hard they had nosedived some of their most promising characters. I couldn't believe how sloppy the mad queen shit was.
Then the spectacle shit started, and it looked pretty impressive. I turned my brain off entirely and accepted that this was the underwhelming, deflated finale of this decades old story. It all came down to impressive CGI dragon genocide.
God, I hope GRRM has actually finished the books. I hope this show doesn't stain on the franchise for too long.
Notice how, once they let her in, Dany does not burn Qarth to the ground.
Besides the point. She showed her intent - the only thing curbing her impulses was Jorah. Do you honestly think she was just bluffing with no truth behind her words? I think her emotions gave enough credence to what she was saying in that moment.
I've never laughed so hard at something trying to be serious before oh my fucking god
Friendship ended with Game of Thrones. Now Chernobyl is my best friend.
I expected nothing.
And it delivered less.
Gotta say, scrolling this thread an hour or so before watching the new episode myself wasn't exactly the best choice I made today
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Memes are gold though.
What was the deal with the Golden Company? I thought there were tens of thousands of them but it genuinely looked like they were a force of maybe 500 at most.
They lined up all nice in formation at the front gate and promptly got burned to death.
That a scene like this, where a desperate girl leading a dying caravan threats to burn a city to the ground in a failed attempt at intimidation, is the best pull you can make to justify Dany needlessly burning a surrendered city to the ground six seasons later I would take that as evidence that the Mad Queen twist was poorly constructed.
TBH Dany burning King's Landing is something I'm expecting for the books, but the road that leads there will probably make a tad more sense. Gimme literature!
I liked what happened. I've been thinking it would happen for a while now. I think when y'all rewatch the show in years time, and you're not in the thick of it, you'll realise that Danny was always a villain. I've long felt some madness was always bubbling under the surface with her, and all it would take is for her to lose enough, see enough carnage and bloodshed, until she finally succumbs to it. I would have been a lot more upset if King's Landing surrendered, and Cersei was marched out and beheaded and everyone cheered. This show has never been about happy endings. It's dark and rough as hell, I don't know why anyone is surprised it's ending that way. Part of me feels like you are all in the throws of basically how Jon feels. You've been following a false idol and you feel betrayed. And I know you'll just quote my and explain to me how bad you think the writing is because it didn't happen the way you thought it was going to happen or the way you thought it was being set up. But I think you're feeling betrayed by Danny, not so much the writers. Their biggest sins are how rushed the past 2 seasons were, not the lack of sense. Except her "forgetting" about the iron fleet. She didn't either so I don't know why he said that, they literally were shown planning for the fleet.
I think when they say "forget," they really mean she just wasn't paying attention in that particular moment. She was busy basking in the light on her dragons and wasn't on her toes.
So in the cold, sobering light of day and having slept on it, I'm less upset about the episode and where the characters ended up than I was when my emotions were running high. There are narratively justified reasons for what happened (well, most of it anyway), I truly think one of the biggest failures in conveyance is the speed at which all of this unfolds. In previous GoT seasons, what we just saw in the last...3 episodes would have been enough to fill an entire 10-episode season. That, I think, is what's bothering me more than anything. If we had another 2-3 episodes showing the steps in between, I think I'd be more fond of this episode. As it stands, it's like they're just rushing from bullet point to bullet point, wrapping things up as fast as they can and forgetting nuance along the way.
It doesn't help when the people making the claims that Dany was always really a villain waiting to spring can provide only the faintest scraps of evidence to that claim.
She spent several seasons staring the Targaryen coin of madness in the face and deliberately making moves to avoid going down that path only to completely change course at the 11th hour - and after the battle had been won at that.
To be perfectly honest, I found the episode better than what I expected and people led me to expect. However, this was possible only by enjoying the spectacle at work (which, admittedly, was a fucking cool spectacle) and pretty much ignore the general writing direction (something that I failed, anyway, 'cause at several points, althought I was watching the episode alone, I started to voice my displeasure about certain things. Loudly.).
Regarding the big "twist" everyone will most certainly remember, Daenerys torching King's Landing almost on a whim doesn't bother me in itself, because I think it was built up enough both in this and the last season, but it does throw the whole moral ambiguity the setting has always been famous for out of the damn windows and sets up a season's and series' finale where either the hero of this tale, Jon, deposes the obviously mad queen and everyone lived (relatively happy ever after) or the latter somehow manages to do him in and conquer the whole realm in terror forever to enstablish that heroes don't always win in the end. Two outcomes I've never particularly liked, but that may be just me.
If I may list briefly my actual complaints about this episode, at the very top of my mind:
As mentioned above, Danerys and the dragon I may understand, but the Unsullied and the Stark-Vale forces going in full burning, pillaging and raping mode was extremely jarring. The Dothraki had a, shall we say, cultural justification, at the very least.
Jaime Lannister, arguably one of the best knights currently living after the death of Loras Tyrell, is defeated by the retarded cousin of Jack Sparrow holding a knife.
After being knifed in the stomach, Jaime is able to navigate a collapsing keep and back for a surprisingly long amount of time.
The scene between Arya and the white horse was useless and pretentious as fuck.
As a side note, despite my previous post, I did enjoy the Cleganebowl, but, again, only due to the spectacle
Now if we really want to talk some shit, let's not forget that somehow dozens of scorpions couldn't hit a single dragon despite Euron going 3 for 3 from half-court last episode.
Scorpions are useless when the target is right in front of them and getting closer and closer you see
Its amazing that they somehow managed to create a weapon that was both incredibly effective and incredibly useless all at once.
the placement of them is retarded. i'd have every tower and any high building equiped with one dotted around the city instead of the walls which got btfo'd. the fact the city wasn't covered in them is retarded in itself now add to the redkeep not even having a single one is too big brain for me.
hmm, I'm starting to think Stannis should have taken King's Landing after all...
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