• A Song of Ice and Fire /Game of Thrones Discussion V2: Winter Is Here
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king robert was right after all bobby b is laughing from the grave
at least stannis only killed ONE child
I like how they showed that montage of people struggling to load up those scorpions after the last episode euron firing one three times quickly in a row (or three individual shots from three seperate people with 100% accuracy) Im not sure which is easier to believe. Spoiler alert, neither. I don't get it. They really botched this who season finale and i can't believe some discussion on reddit i laughed at months ago has been proven totally correct in the leaks.
i actually burst out laughing when i saw euron wash up next to jaime
my favourite scene was when qyburn went squish
I just watched the episode. I have never been more let down by the ending of character arcs than I have with Jaime and Cersei. What a joke.
I think Im the only one who liked this episode. I hated the last one though. Don't get me wrong. It's not great, but I still enjoyed it.
The spectacle and presentation of the dirty cooked laundry meal we were served was incredible. I have a very hard time disagreeing with that.
Oh don't get me wrong. It was still probably the most entertaining episode to watch the entire season, both in spectacle and visuals, but the writing just really went past the event horizon for me to the point I was laughing out loud at how off the rails everything had become.
Made me think of Thanos's line in Endgame: "...And that is destiny fulfilled."
man i never knew there were any sharks in game of thrones until this episode jumped them all
such a shame that dany's slow descent into madness was butchered by this season's weird ass pacing. it could have potentially been one of my favourite plot points in the entire series
Why were there helicopter noises when Arya was hiding in the building? https://youtu.be/rYnqx43L_Jc talking about this part
"AH JAIME LANNISTE RWHAT FORTUNE 2 WASH UP RIGHT BESIDE U. TIME TO DIE!" "WHY?" "BECAUSE IM EVIL LMAO"!
(Either that or its gunfire lol) It's probably a stock ambient track the editor had/found in their library.
I took that to be some structure creaking and collapsing but it does sound like a helicopter now that you point it out
What character arcs
I'm quite discontent with this episode. I never paid much attention to the writing even in the later seasons were some people began to complain, cause I was still entertained. After last episode I wasn't really looking forward to this one though. First off, Tyrion and Varys have apparently become unintelligent. The otherwise really careful Varys admits treason last episode, and the otherwise reasonable Tyrion decides to tell on him. This would have made more sense if there had been shown a growing divide between them, but then again, if there was a divide between Tyrion and Varys it would be even more unlikely for Varys to admit treason. All the giant crossbows are now useless for some reason as the dragon can evade them all. Was that what they tried to show last episode where Rhaegal was killed in the ambush by a multitude of hits, but as soon as Drogon and Dany were locked on they could avoid all the spears? Why is Dany now able to destroy all defenses with ease? I mean I get that she is now even more angry than before last episode but still Dany destroys everyone in the city for an unspecified reason. If it was the targaryen madness the setup for this was poor in my opinion. Her entire arc has been full of moments where she has tried to make the right decisions but was way too ridgid in the moral compass she was trying to build. It would've made way more sense if she showed glimpses of actual madness during the show, and if they built up the possibility of a major break if she was pushed too hard. Which she was, but this really would've benefited from being fleshed out over longer time. Also fucking Euron appearing in the exact same bay at the exact same time Jaime goes there and noone else apparently stranded there made me feel really poorly treated as a viewer. Fight was cool and Euron is hopefully not coming back. He could've been a character you could loathe like you loathe Cersei but just became loathed because he was awkward and annoying. Jaime going back to Cersei would've been ok this time and also the last if they conveyed that he had always been in two minds about it rather than it being "Oh wait I still love her way more than I love you Brienne" Nice stuff: Cleganebowl was ok, ended like I expected. The city being attacked and then on fire was really well executed. Panic and misery in the streets. I'm going to assume that Grey Worm attacks because Dany keeps attacking and he's loyal. Jon doesn't becaue Jon doesn't want to kill people who surrendered. It's almost like they didn't decide that these two characters just change on a whim cause it fits the drama. Characterwise my complaint can be summed up as: Character changes are OK as long as they don't come out of the fucking blue with little to no actual buildup.
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I figured ever since they introduced Jon as the rightful heir that Dany would've had to die somehow (or Jon). Then they started killing off characters close to Dany and I absolutely expected that they'd run with the Mad Queen plot. The timing was very odd though, it made no sense that she'd go on a rampage after winning the battle. Also the scorpions were conveniently nerfed in this episode; they shouldn't have built them up to be these crazy accurate dragon-killing machines in the first place.
Dany has spent almost her entire arc wanting to do shitty stuff and having to be talked down by advisors. Now she is at the point that she has lost everyone she loves and no longer trusts her advisors it makes sense for her to fall off the deep end.
Can we talk about Cersei being very concerned about Jaime for being a person who ordered to have him killed last week.
what the FUCK did i just watch
That wasn't the city gates, it was the gates to the keep. Some civilians were let into the keep to act as a meat shield because Cersei didn't expect Daenerys to go full genocide.
I think her circumstances had changed since then...
Have they, though? If I was in her place, I'd think Jaime had come to kill me. Which he should have done. The best redemption arc on television since Prince Zuko thrown out the fucking window for nothing
She's been talked down from doing excessively shitty things that benefitted her rule or to get revenge on people who wronged her. Incinerating all the peasants in the city that surrendered instantly for no reason is not remotely the same thing.
What I'm most disappointed by they managed to say themselves in the most on-the-noise way possible. "The gods toss a coin." That to me isn't a validating way to have a tragedy or tragic character or to treat a fully realized character. "Madness" is what you use to describe someone who acts with no clear cause or effect or purpose. That's not really even technically storytelling? Danny never struck me as mad - only ever ambitious. And over the course of 8 seasons we saw battle lines drawn between the ambitious and the honorable. That was, to me, arguably the great sorting narrative of the show. Danny always straddled the line and that was her character's real battle to fight. So it would have been fine if they had made a greater effort to reconcile that inner conflict, and the excuse of madness seems to me like a way of never having to fully explain who she is, or who her inner moral self is. And I think that's because in so many ways it seemed like she was already too capable of making honorable decisions of her own accord for the tragic ending to truly work, so again, they kind of desperately hit us with that soundbite, "every time a Targaryen is born..." I just basically object to Danny being the main vehicle for the show's ultimate tragedy. Also, I think it was a real blow for my female friends to have to watch another woman ~lose control of her emotions~ and more personally it all kind relegates TV GoT to being another fantasy object that pivots around some honorable 'Northern' stereotypes surrounded by and fighting against the duplicitous otherness of the world. Disappointing.
The biggest disaster on HBO somehow isn't the show about a nuclear fucking reactor exploding. Well done, Game of Thrones.
This season has honestly been pathetic. I gave up trying to summarize all my beef with it. The prior seasons had rough spots but were still good television overall. This is ridiculous, it's like a whole different show.
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