A Song of Ice and Fire /Game of Thrones Discussion V2: Winter Is Here
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You copied this from /tv/ and slightly reworded it. Cause a friend pasted the same shitty rant to me on steam.
I am liking the buildup of the battle of Winterfell so far. Lots of character arcs came to a close, reunions between old friends and enemies, and the stakes are set pretty high.
Cant wait for episode 3.
Imagine sitting down and deciding to (re)post something so utterly pathetic.
next ep is gonna be fuckin mayhem
The next episode is going to be the longest in the series, complete with the longest battle ever committed to film.
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ep 2
And then they spend the whole episode just staring at Winterfell angrily, until they finally decide to go elsewhere in the next episode.
I thought the biggest twist of this new episode was when Bran Stark eats ass for the first time. /spoiler
I still don't fucking understand what they're using Euron for.
Dude is this horrific, horrific abomination of a man in the books, who has likely actually been influenced by old ones.
In the show he's a bumbling drunk shithead
I thought he had some potential after that exciting "Beserker of the Sea" sequence early last season...and then he continued just being some smarmy prick with no worthwhile qualities or narrative impact. Given next episode is pretty much guaranteed to be The Battle of Winterfell + Aftermath, I don't think there's any real time left to give him worthwhile development. As long as Theon and/or Yara kill him in a suitably brutal manner, that's all I want from his character at this point.
Random fact about Narth: it has butterflies ... extremely poisonous butterflies. So good luck Grey Worm. Not that you will live to even go there.
I'm totally fine with ep 3 being entirely dedicated to a big ol black-betty-bamba-lamp.. But that would mean the rest of the arc's conflicts will come from these extremely weak(character-wise) villains.
I really just need an explanation on who the Night King is from 12,000 years ago, and what the spiral of the Children of the Forest means.
And why the Targaryen logo looks just like it.
Pretty much, it seems like he's just going to party and have a good old time before the world ends.
ah yes in love with a psychopath that bakes people into pies
I mean imo, Arya's list of killings has a level of sincerity and logic. Like the people she wanted to kill were the ones who tore her family apart and ruined the Stark Dynasty. And for Arya, i wouldn't exactly call her "Psychopathic". A character that would be psychopathic would be Ramsay Bolton. Arya is Desensitized, not psychopathic. She's been exposed to all the violence and war around her for most of her childhood. She's aware of what she does is fucked, she's just completely desensitized to it. Same shit with how the Hound views himself.
And i mean, the show has shown plenty of times that these characters we sympathize would probably get fucking thrown in jail or executed for the shit they've done. But given the standards of the setting and the overall shit-sack of a world that Westeros has become, it makes sense.
Feeding a man his son's corpse for revenge for murdering your mother, brother, and all the friends of the Starks seems logical. Fucked up, but logical. Meanwhile the shit with like The Mountain, King Aerys II, Ramsay Bolton, Euron Greyjoy (From the Books), they're psychopathic.
Arya's entire arc is about her grappling with violence and power versus humanity and compassion, she goes from an innocent tomboy, to a more jaded person who wants to be a killer but doesn't really understand what that means, to an actual killer, then gets indoctrinated into a cult that really teaches her how to be a monsterous assassin and give her power through that but robs her of her humanity in many ways, before regaining back her humanity by degrees through her experiences back in Westeros with kind people and her own family. I feel like we should have seen some more development of this last bit of her arc, where she learns how to be a person again, (she seems too well-adjusted too fast by the end imo, I think she should have had to come to grips with the fact that some of the stuff she's done is fucking horrible, and had her work through that before she's able to really connect with people again), but I do think this was a pretty fitting way to close out her story. She's able to become a person again and connect with people, while still using the violent skills shes learned to productive ends (and even using it to connect with Gendry, he respects her a lot more when he sees that shes a better fighter than he had thought). I do wish they had cut some of the really dull and repetitive and kind of nonsensical faceless men stuff and fleshed out how she copes with bringing herself back into a more normal life.
that's my issue though,
she should never have recovered, I wanted Nymeria not going with her to be reflection of how far Arya had gone that she was barely a stark anymore, once you're indoctrinated and done the things she's done, it would take years to recover from that. I just wish any "personal" scenes were a hundred times more awkward if that's what they're trying to convey, it really felt like one episode she was threatening to murder then the next she's all happy and flirting with boys and snarking, it felt forced and fake. I just don't buy ANYONE recovering from something like that so quickly, it would've been more satisfying to see her just be a weapon for the remainder of ther show, have everyone who hadn't seen her in years just scared of her and only if/when she survives the events of the show, have her ending imply a road to recovery.
so I guess in the end we're kinda at an agreement here all things considered, I just expect better writing and less rush in a character's development
This shit is fuckin pathetic. anyone who writes shit like this has a tenuous grasp on reality and should not even be watching the show
there's a difference between killing someone for revenge and spending hours turning two people into pies just for a moment of mental torture before killing a defenceless old man. If she had just dumped their bodies before him or let him come across them as a sort of poetic justice considering he made Cat see her son die, something like that is still somewhat reasonable, it's the fact that she put all this effort into something gratuitous like what Ed Gein would've done is what gets me.
and most of Aerys II was logical by his logic, same here, Dany has done some horrific shit and people act like she's a "good" character, same with Arya. If they were good it should show that they're beyond these things, or that doing these things is a reflection of how far they've fallen from who they were. The slaying of Walder should've been a moment of horror for the audience, not catharsis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ppLtHbag4
Well that was something.
Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhWUFXvaZjo
That's what i mean in what she did was logical. What she did is of course fucked up. But being psychopathic means you're impulsive, it doesn't follow an internal logic, and the person is completely unpredictable. Like Ramsay Bolton.
I will say there's a possibility that Aerys II was possibly driven mad by Bran going into..........oh FUCKING HELL that's gonna be it. They're gonna fucking lure the Night King into King's Landing and blow it the fuck up...
It's both.
and it's not even the og pasta
Something that's really bothering me with the current direction is that Jon, Dany, Sam and even fucking Bran for some reason are very concerned with the laws of succession and Jon being the true heir.
The writers have forgotten about succession for like, three seasons now. Multiple illegitimate rulers have seized power and the capital city is under rule of a queen with zero claim to the throne.
I get that, for the overall cohesion for the story, the true heir to the throne is a relevant issue at this point. But they all-but dropped succession as a critical plot element. They can't just bring it back. It doesn't seem like Jon or Dany should even care about the 'true heir' at this point, considering all I've pointed out as well as the apocalyptic, world-changing circumstances.
The entire point of Dany's crusade is to put herself on the throne because she is the rightful heir.
That is, until Jon/Aegon came around. Now we get to see how she grapples with either sticking to what she started with or losing all the ground she has gained on a personal level to become queen.
It's very much relevant and has been.
Yeah, I know. But the writers forgot how crucial succession was. It's why people were a bit irked that Cersei seemingly rose to power with zero consequence for her actions, why the Dorne plot in total was a mess. Succession, despite being a driving force for Danys character in the beginning, stopped being relevant about two or three seasons ago.
Now they're trying to wrap up the Dany arc - without the rest of the plot supporting it. If I separate myself from meta and don't acknowledge the narrative arc the show has obviously set out, I would see no reason to believe Dany still cares at this point. She's seized the continent by might and has few dissenters left. All around her, examples have been set of the succession system utterly breaking down.
I know what they're trying to do. They're just not doing it very well.
I have no idea how far back in the show we are supposed to tag spoilers for, it's been two years since S7, but whatever.
Cersei pulled a fast one by just basically jumping on the throne before anyone could contest her, and quite honestly, there was no one left who could. It could be anything from the people were just whatever with her being there, considering he has technically been the authority since Robert died. Or they are just being suppressed from dissenting.
Yes, her claim is illegitimate, but there is no one who can enforce that because...
Robert is dead
All the Targaryens are dead
The Tyrells are dead
The Stannis and Renly, and the other Baratheons are dead
The Greyjoys are complicit
The Lannisters are dead
Arryns are who?
Tully, lol
Anyone that may actually have a legitimate claim is still in the north getting ready to get waxed by the Walking Dead crossover next week.
Well, if we assume Dany will win in the North, that means she will have the Northern houses behind her. Also assuming that she doesn't do something retarded with Jon/Aegon, and she doesn't manage to piss off the North after her discussion with Sansa in S8E2.
But the idea after they win is that they march south. That is what Cersei has the Golden Company for. Everything in the plot is supporting a battle at King's Landing for the throne, after the little situation in the North is sorted.
Now, we could lose the North, be pushed south, and get sandwiched by Cersei and the Night King. I have no idea what will happen then, and I am really not trying to think about it because I want a happy ending. But either way, the first scenario is the general plan for the characters.
How she handles Jon has yet to be seen, and that will determine if she sticks with restoring the true heir to the throne, or if she just says fuck it I am Danerys Stormborn Targaryn, first of the name, breaker of chains, rider of yada yada.
Can't say you're wrong. We got put in a time crunch this last season for some reason. But it does add up.
I think Jon being the heir is gonna play into their battle against the dead, I'd like to think the 3ER doesn't care about Westerosi politics to the point of blowing up their alliance, then again maybe its the tiny bit of Bran left.
https://youtu.be/FT4_Fefew78
I am prepared for the worst, but expecting the best.
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