• A Song of Ice and Fire /Game of Thrones Discussion V2: Winter Is Here
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Don't know if I have to spoiler this or not since it mentions characters but My bit of speculation is the gang fails at Winterfell, some White Walkers die, but not enough. The crypts get raided and it's a blood bath, we lose some main characters but the big ones manage to flee south to Kings Landing where they're sandwiched between the dead and Cersei. Upon seeing the army of the dead, the Golden Company/Much of the Lannister Army forsakes their vow to Cersei and helps fight them back, and let's them into the walls of Kings Landing. The dead breach the walls and chaos ensues, the citizens of kings landing start dying like flies and reinforcing the army of the dead. All the remaining Main Characters flee to the red keep and hold up. Some more die in the battle. Inside they find Cersei, being guarded by The Undead Mountain and what's left of her Kingsguard. Cersei refuses to give up, there's a battle between some Main knights and the king's guard, and we finally get CLEGANEBOWL. Cesei, seeing her last defenses die, runs away to the back rooms. Jaime or Tyrion (probably Jaime) chase her back there trying to catch her, she grabs a blade and tries to fight Jaime who pleads her not to. Jaime gets sliced and has to fight back and ends up choking her to death, finishing the Maggy the Frogs prophecy. The Hound wins CLEGANEBOWL and soon the dead are banging on the door to the throne room. The remaining Main Characters look at each other in a moment of defeat. Dany runs her hand along the throne... So close, but so far... Tyrion(or Bronn? Or Dany? someone else?), having knowledge of the wildfire stores says he knows what they must do, and instructs everyone to flee on Danys dragons (at this point only a handful of the mains are alive or somehow not present at the battle for kings landing) everyone leaves and the one left behind sacrifices themselves to detonate the city. The main characters survive, but the Red Keep is in ruins, the bulk of the dead army are gone, and snow falls into the throne room which is blown out, like in Danys visions. The rest of the gang flee to Dragonstone which is on an island in Blackwater bay, to regroup. (Where there's also dragon glass mines to rebuild their weapons to fight what may or may not be left of the army) but we'll probably get Dany/Jon sitting on the throne in the end to fulfill typical hero story.
I don't think you even finished the series in that. Having them fly to Dragonstone to regroup on dragons is on season 9 territory.
I am totally expecting The Undead Mountain to be possessed by the White Walkers at some point. This is more or less my thoughts, too. Although, I suspect Jaime would be the one to come to the realization about the Dragon Fire stores realizing that the Mad King's "burn them all" was similar to what happened to Hodor through Bran's Three-Eyed Raven powers. I suspect their mention of Dragon Fire to kill the Night King this past episode and Bran's "No one has ever tried" are foreshadowing this. Pure speculation, of course.
I actually think he might be the one thing they can't take because of the fact he's already undead? I'd really like to see him just go juggernauting through the ranks of the wights.
Jon and Cersei are suppose to get a pretty good scene together, at least that's what they said in the S7 commentary. I'm curious if Jon is gonna bring Jaime back to KL via Rhaegal to warn her because of this, seems like something he would do.
Jon x Cersei would be the most disgusting thing since Arya x Gendry, which is the most disgusting thing since Theon x Yara. I think if Cersei was ever going to be persuaded it would have been with the walker last season. She is too far gone now. I'm going to vomit at pretty much anything she does since she has become the Whore Queen now...
I've been rewatching the show for a few days and something that's bothered me in the later seasons is how everyone is wearing black. There used to be so much more color in the clothes. Seems like after the deaths of Joffrey and Tywin everyone's been in black. It makes sense in mourning but they never went back to wearing more colorful clothes. Even people who couldn't give two shits about those funerals.
right now i think it's just good symbology that all of winterfell acts as the night's watch
I'd nominate anything from prior seasons is open discussion. Especially considering that it's been almost two years since it aired, and the shows have derived from the books for a few seasons.
Isn't it wack that there's no good GoT video game except for the mod for Mount & Blade Warband?
Yea everyone freaked out in the room I was in until I said "yea but were fine with seeing her getting stabbed over and over in the stomach" I found it kind of funny we would prefer to see someone young get murdered over having a genuine intimate moment and looking at something good like love. I think thats why they showed the scars too in that shot, to show that she had endured so much and is by all standards both mentally and physically an adult.
That's a good point actually, Dany has ridden the 'Right by Conquest' wagon for the entirety of the series in Essos. Why should she now suddenly care about succession, after all that BREAK THE WHEEL talk?
I think Lyanna Mormont kind of highlights how poorly the writers have treated succession as of late. By all means this character should probably be a commentary on how messed up it is that a mere child could end up ruling an entire nation under this feudal system. Instead she's basically treated as a joke character. A bad ass little girl that doesn't take nonsense from her older ruling peers. She doesn't seem to struggle with her position at all, actually.
Yeah, I mean if limited to this thread only I think it's fair enough to not have to spoiler tag past seasons
Cogman and Emilia talked about this in an interview and said that she is upset that her identity and life is based on a lie. Jon was also taken back a bit expecting her to be disgusted but she doesn't have an incest taboo like previous targs I think it's a pretty normal reaction for her to be honest, nephew fucking is tame for Targaryens
That scene needed room to breathe so they could actually talk, all of these motivations make some degree of sense but it's presented in such a way that Dany seems to be purely self-interested while Jon is sitting there having an internal crisis over his identity. Nobody has time to elaborate further because the dead arrive in dramatic fashion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/bgmjqh/no_spoilers_someone_made_a_high_resolution_map_of/
It's what D&D do on purpose and it works, it adds artificial tension because people think Dany is gonna try to off Jon during the battle.
Nothing north of the wall labeled? SMH when will the discrimination against the free folk end
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I don't understand that shit, either. Losing the Lannister red, the Targayeren silver +/- the Essos embellishment, etc. I feel the biggest loss was the Mountain's golden plate that contrasted so well with his putrid, rotting skin. Now he looks like the world's biggest buttplug. https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/240059/d379a27e-072a-4ed1-a342-eb4601142845/image.png
I wonder if any Bolton foot soldiers ever had an "are we the baddies?" Moment looking at their Flayed Man sigil. "Well.. it's got a skinned man on it."
tbf, they probably did, but were too terrified to even consider questioning it. Given its the fucking Boltons.
Hype for episode 3 kinda took me by surprise. Sunday has never felt so far away in years.
I must say that I sorely miss Roose Bolton's presence on the show. I just think he's a neat character, far more interesting than Ramsay. Michael McElhatton's performance really commanded attention too, and it was fitting that they dropped Roose's quiet voice from the books in favor of his.
Linked for spoilers over that Arya scene, but it seems Robbie finally got his wish.
TBH I am expecting something similar to pan out in the books; Ramsay is stupid while Roose is not, and with Roose gone everything the Boltons did will crumble. The Northern houses remain loyal to the Starks after all.
When Bran said that the Night King knows where he is because of the mark on this arm, I half expected Jaime to ask if they could just cut his arm off.
I'm convinced the Night King just sent the full bulk of the zombie army to attack Winterfell, meanwhile the Night king is taking undead Viserion to invade King's Landing. At least that'll explain why the Iron Throne's room has the ceiling blown the fuck up and filled with snow during Dany's vision.
He's far too showboaty for that. He'll be there to watch it all go down.
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