• A Song of Ice and Fire /Game of Thrones Discussion V2: Winter Is Here
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The episode came off as a lot of fan service and subverting expectations. Especially the end. All this build up for Azor Ahai and the Night King and you have Ayra teleport behind the boss and do a gimmicky assassin drop knife attack moment? Really?
And it was dramatic for sure, but holy god how stupid can the characters be? Lets hide the defenseless civilians in the place with the dead people against an army of ZOMBIES LED BY NECROMANCERS.
I'm perfectly fine with how that episode went. Arya spent a whole season training to do assassin shit. I'm not gonna complain about her doing assassin shit. Also, I'm seeing a lot of people commenting about the episode lighting being too dark. I didn't have this problem at all, and I thought a lot of the darkness was intentional as the battle was a literal fight against the darkness.
I felt chills that entire episode. I don’t understand how you couldn’t have though that was the most epic battle in cinema history. The entire time you felt they were fucked.
The Thenns are gonna have some good eatin'
I mean part of the shtick with this show, books as well, is subverting expectations.
...wait, that was the dead from the crypts? I thought it was implied that the dead had stormed the castles and were coming down towards the crypts instead. I thought so because of the scene at the door where it had the people begging for help on the outside since they were already inside the castle at that point.
Can we take a moment to appreciate how fucking useless the Unsullied were. Been waiting 5 seasons just to see these elite soldiers in action and we get this. Same thoughts with the dothraki.
There was a shot of a hand breaking through one of the tombs
Except this subverting wasn't interesting or good, it was dumb and obvious halfway through the episode.
Yeah sending the dothraki out immediately seemed like a total waste, but realistically what can you do with cavalry when dealing with an undead horde?
I misinterpreted that as them burrowing through the walls once other undead were at the door.
Does this make Arya a kingslayer? Curious how this is gonna play out with this jank balance, considering Team Stark-Targaryen has two dragons, a dude who can see everything and a magical assassin who killed a demon.
Nah man, the Unsullied showed in that episode that they were the most bad-ass mfers in Planetos. They held the line to the death while everyone else was breaking in panic and didn't even flinch. They're the real MVPs.
Well I have a few glaring issues with the episode which I'll spoiler tag below, but despite that it was every bit the 80 minute "I might actually die of stress" thrill ride I hoped it would be. So a few issues stood out. First, the off-screen death of Ghost (presumably). I don't know what the showrunners have against the direwolves, but come the fuck on. Next, Jon & Dany were next to fucking useless during the battle. I get Jon's focus was "GET THE NIGHT KING," but other than a handful of strafing runs they just straight up watched everyone die or were so far from the battle they couldn't help. I'm not sold on Arya being so terrified that she couldn't fight in that little sequence in the library. The kill-count for primary & secondary characters is remarkably low. Ghost, Edd, Jorah, Beric, Theon, Lyanna, and Melisandre were the notable deaths I saw, but I still somehow expected...more. OF COURSE THE CRYPTS WEREN'T SAFE. JESUS FUCK JON, YOU KNOW HE CAN RAISE THE DEAD. Those complaints aren't major in the grand scheme of things, but they did seem rather jarring. Few things I am quite glad about though: Jon & Dany didn't have any "made for TV" bullshit infighting from the revelation last week. I was deathly afraid they would try something like that, but thankfully they both had each other's backs. Melisandre came back in STYLE. Arya is MVP, GOAT. Jorah got the exact heroic death I expected and I loved it. 78 of the 80 minutes felt like an outright horror show where the good guys had absolutely no chance. Exactly what I wanted.
I thought it was implied that Jon's dragon died? It fell to the ground, tossing Jon off and never got back up nor was shown again after that. It took some pretty serious damage from the Ice King's dragon too.
Hes alive in the preview, Dany also has a lighter wardrobe indicting that Winter might be less severe with the NK gone
After sitting on it for a couple minutes, I'm actually pretty fine with Arya killing the Night King. Sure it looked a bit silly and seems disappointing. But I imagined the Night King underestimated who would kill him in the end. He ended up getting tricked by that whole "watching is not seeing" Syrio taught Arya to the point he thought this girl had no chance if Jon or Dany couldn't beat him. A lot of the scenes in the show established prophesies themselves are bullshit. You can't take them at face value like that. It's similar to the whole Witch King scene in LOTR.
Is there a link to the preview? They apparently don't show it on TV here *shrug*
Once Melisandre reminded Arya she was gonna kill someone with blue eyes I was like Oh Shiiiittt. Though I thought we'd see her creep around more and use her Faceless skills to morph into different dear people (who are plentiful) to sneak up to the King/White Walkers and take them out. Figured Theon would die exactly the way he did. Jorahs death was extremely fitting. I was worried after the King died and it was showing all the survivors, that it would show Tyrion laying dead on the ground. I was expecting the King to live longer than one episode but I couldn't see a way for them to escape without killing them. THAT LITERAL FLOOD OF DEAD THAT HIT THE LINES FIRST HOLY SHIT. The Unsullied were a good investment on Danys part.
Im genuinely shocked all of Sam, Jaime, Brienne, Podrick, and Tormund survived. Each of them had like 6 scenes where they were literally COVERED with wights. How the fuck did they survive that???
How the fuck did anyone survive that initial charge??? They we're like 3 layers thick of the dead just rolling in at horse speed.
There's an inside the episode thing on HBO that goes super in depth on the making of the episode and I thought I recognized the music when they were going over Jorah's death. Cause it's from Mass Effect 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGHA9oO1Ybg
I've noticed that music in a lot of trailers.
I think the Night King has to come back in some regard. There's no way they just build him up like that and just end it halfway through the final season. Maybe Ep 5 or 6 he shows up again.
Yeah, just what they need, drag the plot out over these last three episodes even further.
Nah, I think that's the end of it. Seems pretty straightforward now that Episode 4 will be gearing up to assault King's Landing, Episode 5 will be that battle, and Episode 6 will be the aftermath/epilogue.
For what possible plot, purpose, or conclusion would that serve?
I dunno, maybe the mark on Bran's arm is like an anchor for the Night King and he comes back in Bran's body in King's Landing. Then he can keep spreading winter and bring about the future seen in the visions with the snow falling in the throne room.
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