ASOIAF/Game of Thrones Discussion V3: A Song Of Ice Cubes and Fire
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spoilers for the finale
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Yara (asha) you fucking loser! you went to the QUEEENSMOOT to be a queen. you guys remember the war of the FIVE KINGS? in the book the CLASH OF KINGS.
Sansa, you've had some shit happen to you right? yeah you have i get it. You then rode the coattails of a dozen characters and pipe up the last second "uh not the north tho yeah?"
Tyrion "oh yeah right sev- i mean six kingdoms"
Why does Jon even need to take up the black with the wall destroyed and the white walkers gone. If it's supposed to make the Unsullied satisfied by banishing him well that's fucking dumb because they just leave instantly to go die to toxic butterflies, so they're not around to make sure that he's actually banished.
Furthermore Sansa apparently has her own independent kingdom in the North now (which by the way that'll work out great, now there's just two Stark kingdoms side-by-side to one another in some nebulous fashion, fantastic) so she could just pardon Jon as soon as he arrives and it's not like anyone can stop her.
Sansa just being Queen in the North was so dumb and unearned, let's just nag and constantly undermine everyone until I'm rewarded with a crown.
and the fact everyone went along with it like no big deal was just cringe writing.
That was exceptionally awful. I've been defending this season but man that was horrendous.
I'm sorta ambivalent to the shit writing at this point. I'm just like "Get on with it" and just let it end. But i will say.
The scene of Drogon being infuriated that this "Game of Thrones" has drove his mother to madness, and just turning the Iron Throne into molten slag was fucking perfect.
Though, downside being. Is that The scene would've been fucking beautiful if Dany's "Descent into Madness" arc wasn't rushed or done so fucking horribly given the shitty writing. If she was given 2-3 seasons of her going "Mad". That scene would've been 11/10.
Im gonna post again and im sorry, but in the leak that had 100% of the other info about the last episodes the two things that were missing were bran saying "there will always be a night king" and also the unsullied going to carry out dany's vision in essos. I'm gonna assume that those two were facts at one point that got dropped. but they both carry such huge implications especially the first one that i find it hard not to make sure everyone knows about them.
the leaks were right about everything jesus christ
I liked the part with Brianne filling in Jaime's history
Worst Scenes:
-Jon and Tyrion in the dungeon. Probably some of the most obvious, flat, and contrived dialogue I've seen in the show's history. Blegh.
-Sansa being Sansa all episode and becoming Queen in the North.
-Drogon suddenly understanding the significance of the Iron Throne and symbolically melting it. Corny bs
-Sam fucking SUGGESTING DEMOCRACY AND GETTING COMICALLY LAUGHED AT. OH MY FUCKING GOD WHAT AM I WATCHING LMFAO
Best scenes:
-Brienne writing out Jaime's deeds was a given but it was still really sweet and a good ending for him.
-GHOST GETTING PET THANK FUCKING GOD YOU DIDNT FUCK THIS UP
We were all going to be broken by the shit writing eventually.
Emilia Clarke would of made a cool sith lord
Well this was super boring, you know it's bad when you're contemplating playing it at 1.25 speed...
Bruh fuck it dude... Literally just send her off into literally nowhere lol
Yeah, without exaggerating, I think 15 minutes of this finale was literally just silent walking.
There's just so fucking much they didn't get into.
Just spill trusted family secrets and drive friction between all of your allies and everything will work out great for you is the moral of Sansa's story.
Man, I am way more conflicted than I thought I would be. I thought I would outright despise the episode based off the leaks, but they handled a few scenes better than I thought. It also really helped that the acting, direction, cinematography, music, and even a lot of the dialogue writing was really, really solid. Kit Harrington and Peter Dinklage did some of their finest work on this one.
HOWEVER
They could have not fucked over Daenerys' character arc harder if they had tried. She didn't show a single shred of remorse for what she did, nor did she get any last words. Drogon just melts the throne, grabs her corpse, and fucks off. What a tremendous disservice to the character. They did an outstanding job showing Jon Snow's moral conflict, but what they did to her character is unforgiveable. Fuckin' CERSEI got a more poetic, sympathetic death. Just fuckin' disgusting.
Bran being king was far better justified than I expected it to be...and then Bran drops "Why do you think I came all this way." HOLD THE PHONE. Motherfucker saw this coming a long time ago and did nothing to stop it. Fuck. You. Also, yeah, maybe go find Drogon; seems rather important that a 150' dragon is unaccounted for.
Sansa got a much happier ending than she deserved, but this might be more poor writing than anything else. Jon should have torn into her for betraying his trust and her promise...and nothing.
Bronn as the master of coin? Westeros is fucked.
I loved the whole Brienne scene where she filled in Jamie's history...but the last line being "Died protecting his queen" about made me scream. How are we trying to redeem the Lannisters at this point?
I just...I don't know man. I need to sleep on it and probably watch it again a couple of times before I can make a real judgement. All I know is that this episode continued to demonstrate what a tremendous mistake it was to attempt to finish this show in 6 episodes. No matter how good everything else was, the writing suffered more than anything and, above all, that's what I watch this show for.
I'm just starting it, just gonna make the occasional note on things I'm noticing.
Has the Unsullied/Dothraki Army changed size again? Cause like there shouldn't have been more than like 20 people left after the Long Night, but she had dozens up until the battle at King's Landing. Then you get through that battle and I swear there are even more now.
Holy fuck, I like Arya, her being a master rogue/infiltrator/assassin/whatever is entirely her thing. Her being fast enough and sneaky enough to get to the Night King never bothered me like it did others, it ultimately worked. But how the fuck did she just teleport along side Jon at the top of the stairs out in the open with no one even questioning her?
Peter Dinklage is still amazing. His little remark about Varys to Jon is phenomenal. That entire scene is phenomenal. Not sure I should attribute it to the writers or Peter Dinklage just being that good.
Jon's personality is shot to shit. This constant, "She's the queen!" shit makes no sense.
I'd call Dany and Jon's final moment, and her death, Shakespearean. But it was like half-assed Shakespear, written by an eighth grader in a creative writing class.
Peter Dinklage, again, is amazing. "Choose one."
Thanks for the mood whiplash, writers. Serious moment, Jon and Tyrion's lives at stake, the fate of the entire kingdom in question. "I'll ask my horse!" Yes, perfect time for a hearty chuckle.
More great delivery from Peter Dinklage, even if in service of nonsense election of Bran as king. Though seriously, why would anyone follow his words a week from now? Or a year? Or twenty years?
How is there still a Night's Watch? What do they even do? Is Jon going to be the first member of a reborn Night's Watch? Like, given the North is now independent, who the fuck is going to stop Sansa and Arya from just pulling him home? That's their bloody prerogative now. Not even Bran is their king because they just declared themselves independent.
Arya going off to explore the uncharted world is cool I guess. Truth be told, would've loved to have seen her do that with the Hound but eh, that ship has sailed.
Brienne recording Jaime's legacy is actually a good send off for both characters, helps make the destruction of his character in his last episodes a little more fuzzy and hard to remember for how crap it was.
I think I'm supposed to find them giving Tyrion the "A Song of Ice and Fire" book cute, but instead for some reason its filling me with a mix of nausea and anger.
Bronn's back, he got what he wanted I guess. Whatever.
Got to see Tormund again, thats cool. He was great, so I'm happy in that regard. Ghost is here, so I guess there was a little budget left for him.
Sansa's outfit is nice.
Ok so I guess Jon isn't really joining the Night's Watch but is instead going to become the King Beyond the Wall.
Well, that's ten years done.
That "His Dark Materials" show might be neat, don't know anything about the books or whatever, but there looked to be some cool Fantasy Diesel Punk shit going on there. I worry its probably going to just be some Young Adult Fiction thing though that doesn't really do anything.
I will literally never get over the ending Sansa got. No one questioned her a single moment in the entire last two seasons as she plotted, schemed, lied, and conspired. Hell, from a certain perspective you could argue that literally EVERYTHING THAT JUST HAPPENED WAS HER FAULT. Fuck. How the hell did she get a better ending than Jon. Jon at least had moral conundrums to sift through and a reason to profress his heritage. Sansa just did it because she's an asshole and wants power. I'd rather see Littlefinger as king in the north ffs
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God damn it, GRRM please gimme something substancial, with wargs and Bran learning from Bloodraven and fAegon and an evolving Daenerys...
The road does make the destination.
That scene with the new council is fucking hilarious
It's supposed to be this heartwarming moment where everyone important is alive and happy and having a good time and it's like MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE DEAD AND YOU HAVE ALMOST NO CITIZENS
Everything is her fucking fault for the last few episodes, immediately after hearing Jon's true lineage she tells Varys and that makes him start plotting against Dany and pushes her more into Mad Queen as she realizes even her allies are plotting against her now and for all of that she doesn't even face any consequences for it.
Not to mention almost everyone on it makes no sense except maybe Davos.
@Arya critique
Back when Jaqen H'ghar was introduced he pulled some much more outrageous shit so it that specific point really doesn't bother me. Faceless men are surely on some sort of magic trickery.
Alright, yeah, I'm souring on this episode by the minute. The show might have presented what happened as bittersweet, but really, that was fucking tragic. I'm genuinely not sure Westeros is any better off than it was before, but I know DAMN sure that the two protagonists, Jon & Daenerys, got the shortest stick imagineable. Maybe that's GRRM's goal, but fuck me running was it handled poorly in the show.
Westeros is heading for inevitable collapse or civil war in the future becauseunless they keep finding sterile people to elect to the throne sooner or later a king is going to sire an heir and push for him to become king and then it's going to be a bloodbath of dueling interests and conflicts.
To say nothing of the fact that as soon as anyone on the council dies they can be replaced by someone who's not altruistic and ready to scheme and manipulate the politics of the realm to their choosing.
Suffice to say the "breaking the wheel" didn't happen, it's just been gussied up.