• ASOIAF/Game of Thrones Discussion V3: A Song Of Ice Cubes and Fire
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First of all, you are trying to apply real-life political, juridical and logical reasoning to a story which, apparently, won't have any of it. Second, it's quite apparent that, narrative-wise, the showrunners backed themselves into a corner where, by all accounts, either Jon or Daenerys was going to dispose of the other and sit on the Iron Throne. Given her descent into madness, everyone knew that Jon was the most obvious choice for an overall winner come the series' finale. So they decided to allow a memetic candidate to get the Throne instead and gave Jon what many consider a "bittersweet ending" (althought, on a closer examination, really it's not the case here) in order to claim that the show stayed true to its "moral ambiguity" and "realistic, bittersweet outlook" to the very end and that the whole operation was a clever way to (prepare for it) SUBVERT THE AUDIENCE EXPECTACTIONS (TM)
http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/20/an-ending/ For the record.
Yeah, It just comes off as a smug fourth-wall break. Again D&D want us to laugh at these 'oblivious noble lords' for snubbing democracy, and at the same time D&D are completely oblivious to all the stupid implications they have written into the show. Looking back, a lot of their writing comes off as smug and cynical.
So here's a question that keeps bugging me. What exactly is the Night's Watch gonna DO at this point? IIRC, their purpose is to protect against the White Walkers, wildlings and giants, right? But the former are now permanently extinct, the wildlings are now allies with the Starks and the giants are either also extinct or are still allied with the wildlings so they've stopped being a threat too. Are they just gonna sit around and twiddle their thumbs all day? Isn't there some other godforsaken place to send their undesirables to?
It'll largely depend on the exact stance of the Six Kingdoms with the Wildlings, as some or all of them may still percive them as a threat and, therefore, the Night's Watch a force that they should mantain for the years to come, Jon as the King Beyond the Wall notwithstanding. Me personally, I strongly believe it's one of the many plot holes of the finale. If I may come up with some headcanon, I'd like to see them becoming a order of errant knights dedicated to protect the weak and punish criminals across the realm with still some land to their name and the same recruitment method
" As a producer, I’ve got five shows in development at HBO (some having nothing whatsoever to do with the world of Westeros), two at Hulu, one on the History Channel.   I’m involved with a number of feature projects, some based upon my own stories and books, some on material created by others.   There are these short films I am hoping to make, adaptations of classic stories by one of the most brilliant, quirky, and original writers our genre has ever produced.   I’ve consulted on a video game out of Japan.   And then there’s Meow Wolf…" no wonder this dude is taking so long with the novels, he's one fucking busy guy goddamn
Imagine that meeting going down. "Yo, thanks for helping us out at Winterfell, fighting the army of the dead and helping us make sure the White Walkers are all killed, that was super important and super cool of y'all." "Yeah, it's cool. Thanks." "We still don't trust you, though." "...Why? *shrugs*
To everyone but the North, the Night's Watch has been nothing more than a glorified prison for the last however many hundreds of years. The defence against wildlings has never been relevant to the majority of the seven kingdoms, giants weren't really a problem until Mance Rayder convinced them to join his army and it hadn't been about defending against white walkers for so long that people forgot that they weren't just myths. So really its purpose is the same as it was before the show started.
I ended up going on a rather cathartic, long post on /r/Freefolk but getting a lot of my grievances written down led me to this: The journey matters as much as the destination and I don’t think this has ever been more apparent than in this final season. I was ready to forgive Season 7’s abridged length and comparatively fast-moving story, with all its leaps of logic and occasionally baffling character decisions because I had hoped it would be in service to laying the groundwork for an unbelievable conclusion. Regrettably, and largely due to its unnecessarily rushed pace, I can’t help but feel that Season 8’s story squandered this opportunity at almost every turn. Characters are frequently underutilized and/or are inconsistent with their portrayal in Season 1-7. Plot points set up as recently as the previous season are never mentioned or paid off. In-universe logic & consistency vary from episode-to-episode and sometimes from scene-to-scene. If I had to sum it up succinctly, the events and character behaviors of Season 8 happen almost entirely because the plot demands they happen in order for the story to reach a certain point, instead of events being the natural results of character’s decisions as they were in previous seasons. As such I’m less upset about what happened (though I have some healthy gripes regardless) but rather about how they got there.
Can somebody just nuke the Guard: Game of Thrones review – epic final episode corrects some major ..
People have berated the writers for many things over the show’s run, but they surely deserve some recognition for managing to sell Kit Harington as a convincing candidate for kingship. There are MANY things wrong with this article but I'd just like to single this bit out in particular. Not in the least because I'm looking forward to Harington's post-GoT career, which can only be described as 'sad'.
It does kind of cut both ways; while a bad ending doesn't necessarily wash away the good that came before, it can put a sour taste on future replays. I touched on this in my fuller thoughts. Thankfully, I still feel I'll be able to enjoy the show on a rewatch, but I'd be lying if I didn't ask "What was the point?" More than once this season. Way too many dropped or invalidated plot threads.
I feel I could have gone on for pages more, but I'm not sure anyone would be interested. Already I feel that post was too long to bring about any discussion. Like I said though, it's cathartic to get it written out. That alone is worth the time.
Some issues I noticed first issue Wasn't the wall destroyed right next to castle black by the night king dragon? Did someone rebuild it? second issue Didnt Tormund and ghost leave for beyond the wall in episode 4 with the freefolk, but in episode 6 there still in castle black. The time span between episode 4 - 6 is like 1-2 months, they just sat in castle black all that time?
The wall was destroyed at Eastwatch by the Sea.
Edmure embarrassed himself literally the first time he appeared on screen, so it’s not exactly out of character.
HBO should have let D&D leave for Star Wars and pass the reigns off to someone else to continue the series..
I can't remember which is his first scene, his fathers funeral or when Rob scolds him for ruining a trap for The Mountain. Either way I don't like how those scenes are treated. When it comes to the trap, Edmures actions aren't exactly stupid. He was attempting to protect his lands and people without any knowledge of a trap, Rob should of told him. Yet the scene treats it like the trap is the obvious thing to do. Then the funeral scene... Edmure is expected to fire an arrow on his fathers funeral barge (if you've ever done archery you'll know its not an easy shot) and when he fails, rather then have The Blackfish help him out of love, its out of scorn, and the audience is supposed to have the same reaction. Edmure is supposed to be a bit buffoonish, but the fact that they clearly want us to react to that with mockery always came off as cruel and ignorant to me.
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Ok so correct me if I am wrong, but is Jon [sp] Lord Commander again? It seemed so the way everyone looked at him when he stepped out. Or was it just that he was the only one not a wildling?[/sp]
Let's also remember that Edmure Tully suffered prolonged imprisonment and humiliation due to Robb of HOUSE STARK fucking up, so Sansa of HOUSE STARK should really had known better
I don't know if he was Lord Commander but I got the impression that he wasn't planning on going back to The Wall after leaving with the Wildlings so I don't think it really matters.
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Such a beautiful ending for Cersei. Seemingly alone in her crumbling castle, distressed and saddened until no one else, but Jamie the Fucking MAN coming to accompany her till the very end. Nothing else matters but us! I shed a tear at the beauty of this scene - it was so beautiful it become the definite, single favorite scene of the show, topping even the Battle of Bastards entirely. !!! I LOVE IT I LOVE IT I LOVE IT !!!
I seriously don't think I've ever been this let down by any work of fiction. At least a lot of TV shows I liked had a slower decline in quality. We waited twice as long for a season to essentially just fuck around for almost half of it, only to rush things so much that they don't even make sense. Episode 2's final song leaves me feeling so depressed. Even if the first two episodes weren't great, it was starting to hit me that this was it. We were finally gonna see major characters die all over in the "biggest battle of the show's history". Ugh. I've been thinking about Game of Thrones constantly this month and I'm just so frustrated. It's honestly felt like a six week long slap in the face.
I just watched EP5 uhhhh im mad
On the upside, we're living in a meme nirvana. There's always a silver lining <3
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Shaking my head at how HBO didn't think of doing a "Got Milk?" promo for Game of Thrones' Final Season. I guess that Starbucks money is where it's at 😔😔😔
The memes are outstanding, the discussions and fan rewrites will continue for a long time, and if there's any justice D&D will get dropped from Star Wars. I really wonder if we'll ever find out how HBO is feeling about all this. Having the finale of one of the biggest (and best) shows of all time mentioned with the same disdain as Dexter and LOST is something I never thought would happen.
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