[QUOTE=Durrsly;51676511]My copy of Rohan at the Louvre arrived in the mail today. I knew Araki's SBR-era art was beautiful, but it's almost-breathtaking on paper[/QUOTE]
I wish we could get the rest of the manga as a full sized book like that one.
I just realized, how is Joseph reading a Superman comic in a flashback during Part 2?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51680737]I just realized, how is Joseph reading a Superman comic in a flashback during Part 2?[/QUOTE]
In the anime he's reading a Baoh manga, which makes even less sense :v:
[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;51681166]In the anime he's reading a Baoh manga, which makes even less sense :v:[/QUOTE]
That in a weird way makes it seem like there was a 1930s Araki running around. I'm sure that Araki's grandson competes with Kishibe Rohan for readership in Japan.
[QUOTE=New Cidem;51681233]I'm sure that Araki's grandson competes with Kishibe Rohan for readership in Japan.[/QUOTE]
You sure Rohan isn't Araki's grandson?
[QUOTE=Griffster26;51681640]You sure Rohan isn't Araki's grandson?[/QUOTE]
Araki's a hack, his bloodline could never produce the infallible genius that is Kishibe Rohan.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51680737]I just realized, how is Joseph reading a Superman comic in a flashback during Part 2?[/QUOTE]
What time is it during the flashback? Superman was created in 1933 so it's entirely possible Joseph was reading a Superman comic. Provided the flashback wasn't to when Joseph was a kids. (I've not read the manga)
Also, since the talk of Joseph reminded me of something I thought a couple of weeks ago. Here's something.
Hamon is a breathing technique which lets your body heal rapidly, gives you extreme balance and strength, and allows you to manipulate electricity and water, and to 'produce' sunlight.
Star Platinum is a stand that can breathe, as shown when Jotaro [sp]defeated the Empress by sucking up the smoke/sand/whatever into Star Platinum.[/sp]
Theoretically could Jotaro, had he learned Hamon, make Star Platinum use Hamon and all the bullshit powers that come with it, and if so how utterly fucked would Dio have been if the characters had thought of that. Being super fast, ultra precise, incredibly strong and [sp]being able to stop time[/sp] already make SP stupid powerful, but amplified by Hamon he'd probably be able to single handedly take out the Pillarmen.
Also, [sp]why does Jotaro say "The World" when he freezes time? The World is Dio's stand, when Dio wanted to stop time he'd say "The World, stop time" because his stand is one where you can give it commands as well as directly control it. When Jotaro wants to stop time he should say "Star Platinum, stop time" but instead he says "Star Platinum, The World".[/sp] I don't understand.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;51682443]What time is it during the flashback? Superman was created in 1933 so it's entirely possible Joseph was reading a Superman comic. Provided the flashback wasn't to when Joseph was a kids. (I've not read the manga)[/QUOTE]
Superman was created in 1933 HOWEVER he was shopped around for 5 years before he was picked up, Action Comics #1, his debut, was released in 1938, the same year Battle Tendency takes place, and Superman #1 was released in 1939. The flashback shows Joseph as noticably younger (not really, but he's not as ludicrously swole, so that means younger), which means he was reading a comic with "Superman" as the title years before 1939 or 1938.
[editline]16th January 2017[/editline]
Oh also
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;51682443]
Hamon is a breathing technique which lets your body heal rapidly, gives you extreme balance and strength, and allows you to manipulate electricity and water, and to 'produce' sunlight.
Star Platinum is a stand that can breathe, as shown when Jotaro [sp]defeated the Empress by sucking up the smoke/sand/whatever into Star Platinum.[/sp]
Theoretically could Jotaro, had he learned Hamon, make Star Platinum use Hamon and all the bullshit powers that come with it, and if so how utterly fucked would Dio have been if the characters had thought of that. Being super fast, ultra precise, incredibly strong and [sp]being able to stop time[/sp] already make SP stupid powerful, but amplified by Hamon he'd probably be able to single handedly take out the Pillarmen.[/QUOTE]
Early in Part 3, the manga form, the kana for Stand was written above the kanji for "Ghost Ripple", the implication being that Stands, at the time, were the evolved form of the Ripple. This is likely where the ideas of Star Platinum's power set came from and i'd assume why stand users seem to heal good, but its not like an actual canonical connection as far as i know (likely Araki realized this would make Dio and a Stand incompatible so he dropped it).
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;51682443]Also, [sp]why does Jotaro say "The World" when he freezes time? The World is Dio's stand, when Dio wanted to stop time he'd say "The World, stop time" because his stand is one where you can give it commands as well as directly control it. When Jotaro wants to stop time he should say "Star Platinum, stop time" but instead he says "Star Platinum, The World".[/sp] I don't understand.[/QUOTE]
Its more of a [sp]Part 6[/sp] specification but Star Platinum is [sp]technically renamed Star Platinum: The World after part 3, and its more of a Part 6 specification because of a stat change to Star Platinum.[/sp]
[QUOTE=AaronM202;51682473]Superman was created in 1933 HOWEVER he was shopped around for 5 years before he was picked up, Action Comics #1, his debut, was released in 1938, the same year Battle Tendency takes place, and Superman #1 was released in 1939. The flashback shows Joseph as noticably younger (not really, but he's not as ludicrously swole, so that means younger), which means he was reading a comic with "Superman" as the title years before 1939 or 1938.
[editline]16th January 2017[/editline]
Oh also
Early in Part 3, the manga form, Stand was written with Kanji that could be read as "Ghostly Ripple", the implication being that Stands, at the time, were the evolved form of the Ripple. This is likely where the ideas of Star Platinum's power set came from and i'd assume why stand users seem to heal good, but its not like an actual canonical connection as far as i know (likely Araki realized this would make Dio and a Stand incompatible so he dropped it).
Its more of a [sp]Part 6[/sp] specification but Star Platinum is [sp]technically renamed Star Platinum: The World after part 3, and its more of a Part 6 specification because of a stat change to Star Platinum.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the explanation. I was also going to note that Crazy Diamond is basically the Stand version of Hamon. Seems like Araki still liked the idea after it became obsolete in the universe.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;51682496]Thanks for the explanation. I was also going to note that Crazy Diamond is basically the Stand version of Hamon. Seems like Araki still liked the idea after it became obsolete in the universe.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i reread stuff and edited a bit about the stand and ghostly ripple thing.
Stands came about as a more visually interesting form of psychic powers, so i assume, since Araki had planned for JoJo to be a 3 part series ending at Stardust Crusaders from the get go (he wanted to make it like a modern Dracula story but Shonen editors wanted more japan stuff so thats how you got Jotaro), so i figured given a lot of the uses of Hamon in Part 2 that he was going to upgrade Hamon to being outright psychic abilities, eventually leading to Stands.
So conceptually, the Ripple probably evolved into what became Stands, but canonically they're unrelated.
I thought it was established somewhere that a Stand is the "final form" of Hamon
[QUOTE=ThatCrazyGmanV2;51682574]I thought it was established somewhere that a Stand is the "final form" of Hamon[/QUOTE]
Nah, that was never stated, just theroised. Anyone can get a stand.
SBR drops a page in the middle of infodump, for people starting JoJo with it, on how Stands can be achieved by mastering Hamon or Spin. [Sp]And even shows the latter with Ball Breaker[/sp]
[QUOTE=Damjen;51682917]SBR drops a page in the middle of infodump, for people starting JoJo with it, on how Stands can be achieved by mastering Hamon or Spin. [Sp]And even shows the latter with Ball Breaker[/sp][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Damjen;51682917]for people starting JoJo with it, [/QUOTE][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bQYZTDd.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Damjen;51682917]SBR drops a page in the middle of infodump, for people starting JoJo with it, on how Stands can be achieved by mastering Hamon or Spin. [Sp]And even shows the latter with Ball Breaker[/sp][/QUOTE]
how you gonna start Jojo at SBR
you start reading dragon ball halfway through majin buu saga?
[QUOTE=Damjen;51682917]SBR drops a page in the middle of infodump, for people starting JoJo with it, on how Stands can be achieved by mastering Hamon or Spin. [Sp]And even shows the latter with Ball Breaker[/sp][/QUOTE]
That reminds me (Major Part 7 spoilers):
[sp]What do you guys think about the theory that Ball Breaker isn't Gyro's stand and is actually like the "Spin's stand" or the Spin itself taking the form of a stand?[/sp]
[QUOTE=New Cidem;51683374]how you gonna start Jojo at SBR
you start reading dragon ball halfway through majin buu saga?[/QUOTE]
Well, technically, starting Jojo at SBR is more like starting Yu-Gi-Oh at GX or something like that
SBR/Jojolion are completely separated from the OG universe, so you can technically start there
[sp]But why you do this to yourself though... ABAJ[/sp]
[QUOTE=New Cidem;51683374]how you gonna start Jojo at SBR
you start reading dragon ball halfway through majin buu saga?[/QUOTE]
Well, to be fair, most people (In the West at least) did get into Dragon Ball because they saw Z first. :v:
[QUOTE=New Cidem;51683374]how you gonna start Jojo at SBR
you start reading dragon ball halfway through majin buu saga?[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming it was meant for Ultra Jump readers that weren't familiar with the series until it transitioned from Shonen Jump to Ultra Jump. For those people Part 7 would probably be the first part they'd read.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;51682443]Hamon is a breathing technique which lets your body heal rapidly, gives you extreme balance and strength, and allows you to manipulate electricity and water, and to 'produce' sunlight.Star Platinum is a stand that can breathe, as shown when Jotaro [sp]defeated the Empress by sucking up the smoke/sand/whatever into Star Platinum.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] The smoke Stand that Jotaro defeated in one breath is called Justice. Empress is that one fat ugly woman that uses the skin of other people to be pretty much her " Make up". Also she was defeated by Joseph [/sp]
[QUOTE=Flubbman;51683366][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bQYZTDd.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
While I agree with that sentiment, people who read Ultra Jump differ from Shonen Jump's audience and because of that not every reader was knowledgeable in JoJo stuff after SBR jumped magazines.
[QUOTE=Flubbman;51684612][URL="http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/751/760/7ba.gif"]reminder[/URL] (part 3)[/QUOTE]
You know, i get that having The World would probably make me the most dangerous human being on the face of the planet, but i think i'd just want it so i could fuck with people like this and get cheap giggles.
How is it that I can understand King Crimson pretty well but I have to read a five-paragraph article before I even begin to comprehend how the heck D4C (the story arc) makes any sense?
yare yare
If you mean the part where [sp]everyone shoots Johnny at the same time[/sp] I don't think it actually makes any sense, that aspect of D4C just appears and is then kinda... never brought up again
[QUOTE=Flubbman;51685270]If you mean the part where [sp]everyone shoots Johnny at the same time[/sp] I don't think it actually makes any sense, that aspect of D4C just appears and is then kinda... never brought up again[/QUOTE]
[Sp]He pulls different dimensions together in one place. That presumably takes some time to set up so he can't use it in any other fight[/sp]
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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 2: Nice thread, shame you won't be able to post after I break it.
