DC Television Megathread - The House That The Arrow Built - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51454591]Cisco's pity party is getting really old, holy shit.[/QUOTE] Yeah he's turning into S4 Felicity holy shit Like rewind and go back to the cool Cisco the way they somehow managed to scale Felicity back in this season

I just started Supergirl, and god, is it every bit as awful as the rest of the CW lineup. The writing in this (and Flash, and Arrow) is just killing me. It's the pointless exposition, mostly. The characters just [I]won't stop explaining[/I] what they're fucking doing, even after it's already obvious. They say, "we're going to set a trap for this bug alien that likes to eat chemicals," and in the next scene they're driving along behind a truck filled with chemicals [I]Oh,[/I] I think. [I]I guess this is the trap.[/I] "Trap car," the rugged military type says, "is the trap ready?" "Yes, the trap is ready," the trap car responds. "No sign of the alien who likes to eat chemicals, though!" Agent Danvers chimes in to say, "That's who this trap is for. He has a superior sense of smell, so he will smell the chemicals in that truck. He'll be here!" "Indubitably," Rugged Military Type responds. "He will fall into this trap because he is hungry for Chlorine chemicals." "Yes," the truck driver responds, "and that's just the kind of chemicals we have in our truck." "Brilliant trap," they all say in unison, while rapidly nodding. [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] The end of the first episode, camera pans up to General Astra. [I]Oh,[/I] I think. [I]She looks just like Kara's mom. They must be twins.[/I] "General Astra, your niece is bein' a real bitch," shady evil henchman #1 says Astra cracks her knuckles and growl, "Yes, my niece, Kara (AKA: Supergirl), is a threat to my plans. We should kill her." "Are you certain, General? After all, she is your blood." "Yes, she [I]is[/I] my blood. She is my sister's daughter, and thus my niece. But we cannot let her stand in my way!" "Kill her, General?" "Yes. We must kill Kara, my niece. Supergirl. I'm her aunt. Her mom is my sister. We're twins." [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] General Astra captures Kara's sister. "HELLO I AM KARA'S MOTHER'S TWIN," screams a wild-eyed general. "Yeah, I know, we just saw that in the last episode," Danvers replies. "And again, five minutes ago, when you clumsily explained that to your henchman for some reason." "Kara's mother is my sister. I look just like her!" "Yeah," Danvers says. "That's ripe for hijinks, alright." General Astra scuffs the dirt with her toe and mumbles, "twins." Suddenly, Supergirl crashes through the wall! "Woah!" She screams. "You're my goddamn Aunt! You are my Aunt Astra! My mom was your sister!" "My twin sister, yes." "YOU ARE MY MOTHER'S TWIN SISTER AND I AM YOUR NIECE." Danvers, bleeding out on the floor lurches her way to her feet. "It's your Aunt, Kara! And I am your adopted sister!" Nodding, Astra raises her fists. "Also, you are Supergirl. Let's fight!" [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] Also gotta love that they introduced the teenage fantasy love triangle in literally the first ten minutes of the first episode. [B]Gosh, who will Kara get with![/b] The traditionally handsome and mature photographer man, or the cutey patootie computer whiz with the boyish sense of humor who just can't quite tell her how he feels? On that note, can I roll my fucking eyes for a second that Kara already just so happens to know a guy who hacks into government computer systems like it's no biggy? Like, I dunno, literally every other CW sidekick? Can we have just one of these where the hero doesn't have an awkward, geeky, cutesy computer hacker best bud who is also an expert inventor who can inexplicably get his or her hands on superscience technology and/or rare and expensive components? I mean, fair point that it at least makes a certain amount of sense in the Flash, and even Arrow can be handwaved to a [I]certain[/I] extent, but Supergirl? "Prototype polymer weave cape," her newspaper columnist friend casually explains as he hands her a package. "This is basically indestructible!" "How the fuck did you get a bright red cape made out of indestructible material?" Kara for some reason never asks. I hate that the DC live action universe is being primarily represented by this ridiculous network and these humiliating shows. [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] That said, I will probably continue watching Supergirl, because [I]fuck[/I]: [img]http://i.imgur.com/0pBdPr4.gif[/img] I am human trash.

bda are u ok

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51454898]bda are u ok[/QUOTE] He, like most of us, has just come to the realisation that TV DCU is overly explicative because the average TV viewer has less brain cells than a rock and needs to be reminded what the fuck is happening every 2 seconds. But, like some of the fallen, he has become prey to the fact that supergirl is hot. But yeah she has that same fucking stance whenever she talks to someone (hands on hip trying to look confident, like older superman comics)

She was part of the fappening too...

I'm getting tired out the out the out of place star wars references "see guys, this just like when Han Solo walked into a room full of storm troopers".

Feel like cw has a recent hard on from giving everyone an extremely hard time. Really brings down the mood. I liked S2 of flash a lot better than 1 and 3 so far because all the characters complimented each other very well and had a good balance of happy moments and sad moments. Same goes for season 3 and before of Arrow. I hate Earth 19 wells and still don't think the arrow recruits fit in just yet. Everyone is just on edge.

Earth 19 Wells is actually kinda interesting and the only character who isn't intense all of the time so I appreciate him.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51457681]Earth 19 Wells is actually kinda interesting and the only character who isn't intense all of the time so I appreciate him.[/QUOTE] He's fun but I loved the connection between earth 2 wells and Cisco and the rest in season 2.

[QUOTE=redBadger;51454301]Legends question [Sp]they going to bring back snart??[/sp][/QUOTE] Well next week's preview for legends looks like it's about to get cold

[QUOTE=Rapist;51451597]Didn't watch supergirl before, first time really seeing her on the Flash holy fuck she's super cute [editline]30th November 2016[/editline] ignore username as always[/QUOTE] What the hell, I thought the same exact thing when I saw her on the last [sp]arrow[/sp] She's so cute I just wanted to hug her, kind of swept me off my feet tbh And oh lord that [sp]spaceship deal was kind of.... eh[/sp]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51454746]I just started Supergirl, and god, is it every bit as awful as the rest of the CW lineup. The writing in this (and Flash, and Arrow) is just killing me. It's the pointless exposition, mostly. The characters just [I]won't stop explaining[/I] what they're fucking doing, even after it's already obvious. They say, "we're going to set a trap for this bug alien that likes to eat chemicals," and in the next scene they're driving along behind a truck filled with chemicals [I]Oh,[/I] I think. [I]I guess this is the trap.[/I] "Trap car," the rugged military type says, "is the trap ready?" "Yes, the trap is ready," the trap car responds. "No sign of the alien who likes to eat chemicals, though!" Agent Danvers chimes in to say, "That's who this trap is for. He has a superior sense of smell, so he will smell the chemicals in that truck. He'll be here!" "Indubitably," Rugged Military Type responds. "He will fall into this trap because he is hungry for Chlorine chemicals." "Yes," the truck driver responds, "and that's just the kind of chemicals we have in our truck." "Brilliant trap," they all say in unison, while rapidly nodding. [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] The end of the first episode, camera pans up to General Astra. [I]Oh,[/I] I think. [I]She looks just like Kara's mom. They must be twins.[/I] "General Astra, your niece is bein' a real bitch," shady evil henchman #1 says Astra cracks her knuckles and growl, "Yes, my niece, Kara (AKA: Supergirl), is a threat to my plans. We should kill her." "Are you certain, General? After all, she is your blood." "Yes, she [I]is[/I] my blood. She is my sister's daughter, and thus my niece. But we cannot let her stand in my way!" "Kill her, General?" "Yes. We must kill Kara, my niece. Supergirl. I'm her aunt. Her mom is my sister. We're twins." [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] General Astra captures Kara's sister. "HELLO I AM KARA'S MOTHER'S TWIN," screams a wild-eyed general. "Yeah, I know, we just saw that in the last episode," Danvers replies. "And again, five minutes ago, when you clumsily explained that to your henchman for some reason." "Kara's mother is my sister. I look just like her!" "Yeah," Danvers says. "That's ripe for hijinks, alright." General Astra scuffs the dirt with her toe and mumbles, "twins." Suddenly, Supergirl crashes through the wall! "Woah!" She screams. "You're my goddamn Aunt! You are my Aunt Astra! My mom was your sister!" "My twin sister, yes." "YOU ARE MY MOTHER'S TWIN SISTER AND I AM YOUR NIECE." Danvers, bleeding out on the floor lurches her way to her feet. "It's your Aunt, Kara! And I am your adopted sister!" Nodding, Astra raises her fists. "Also, you are Supergirl. Let's fight!" [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] Also gotta love that they introduced the teenage fantasy love triangle in literally the first ten minutes of the first episode. [B]Gosh, who will Kara get with![/b] The traditionally handsome and mature photographer man, or the cutey patootie computer whiz with the boyish sense of humor who just can't quite tell her how he feels? On that note, can I roll my fucking eyes for a second that Kara already just so happens to know a guy who hacks into government computer systems like it's no biggy? Like, I dunno, literally every other CW sidekick? Can we have just one of these where the hero doesn't have an awkward, geeky, cutesy computer hacker best bud who is also an expert inventor who can inexplicably get his or her hands on superscience technology and/or rare and expensive components? I mean, fair point that it at least makes a certain amount of sense in the Flash, and even Arrow can be handwaved to a [I]certain[/I] extent, but Supergirl? "Prototype polymer weave cape," her newspaper columnist friend casually explains as he hands her a package. "This is basically indestructible!" "How the fuck did you get a bright red cape made out of indestructible material?" Kara for some reason never asks. I hate that the DC live action universe is being primarily represented by this ridiculous network and these humiliating shows. [editline]1st December 2016[/editline] That said, I will probably continue watching Supergirl, because [I]fuck[/I]: [img]http://i.imgur.com/0pBdPr4.gif[/img] I am human trash.[/QUOTE] CW's largest direct-view demographic are 14 year old girls, I'm not sure why you're expecting nuance and depth in a show directly aimed at tweens.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51454746]I just started Supergirl, and god, is it every bit as awful as the rest of the CW lineup.[/QUOTE] THANK YOU. But then again, apparently everyone already shared the sentiment that these kinds of shows rush the fuck out of everything, like the love triangle and the character introductions to their skills and so on, and have been written so that people who huff paint for a hobby can understand it. [editline]2nd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=27X;51458981]CW's largest direct-view demographic are 14 year old girls, I'm not sure why you're expecting nuance and depth in a show directly aimed at tweens.[/QUOTE] muh murge! Still, I think we could expect people to actually use a bit more of their comprehension, no matter the age, and figure out what the hell they are-- who am I kidding... A friend of mine watches Arrow just because of Amell, even though she says she likes the actual show and the actor is just a biiiig bonus. (then again, she DID argue with me the other day about how theres a truckload of speedsters and how stupid that is because of how metahuman powers are random... unless she is wrong and I am also thinking wrong?)

The one issue that I've always had with the Flash conceptually, and especially in that ridiculous CW show, is that this is a guy who can move so quickly that he's capable of breaking the fabric of reality to travel through time. He can also think and process info fast enough to keep up with that. So how the hell are people punching him? He can effectively "freeze" time from his perspective. Surely nobody other than another speedster would have any chance whatsoever of laying a finger on the guy. Like, I love comic books, and I can suspend my disbelief well enough to accept superpowers and aliens and whatnot, but it seems like his powers come across extremely inconsistently. In one episode, he's outrunning a Nuclear explosion, and in the next episode some Street Meany thwarting him with a flamethrower. In one episode he is casually dodging bullets, in another somebody is bullying him with strong punches. The writers treat his powers as both being so limited that he can only barely keep up with the baddies, and so powerful that he literally rewrite history. He's never fast enough to avoid real struggle, but he's always fast enough to accomplish his goal, and his powers always just so happen to be the perfect solution to every problem.

[QUOTE=27X;51458981]CW's largest direct-view demographic are 14 year old girls, I'm not sure why you're expecting nuance and depth in a show directly aimed at tweens.[/QUOTE] You do realize Supergirl started out on CBS, right? Season 2 has gotten better about the dumb shit, imo.

If you're looking for depth and nuance in a comic book show, you're not going to find it except in Preacher, and only then as a direct contrast to some hilarious full body explosion shit that just happened. The CW is making a literal millenial take on DC powered peeps; no more, no less. It's going to be YEARS before something like The Wire or Oz with superpowered people is going to happen. The closest you're going to get is FX's Legion. I think you're missing they're using this formula because it's given the highest rated comic shows on tv outside of TWD, they are extremely unlikely to change it until ratings slip, because it's literally all they have outside of one other show in 1+ nielsens. [QUOTE=Rats808;51459421]You do realize Supergirl started out on CBS, right? Season 2 has gotten better about the dumb shit, imo.[/QUOTE] You realize it was going to get cancelled and was saved by CW right? It's about the same 'dumb shit" as it was because all the same staff is there, and while we're at it, do show me another show on CBS aimed at young girls.

[QUOTE=27X;51459449][B]If you're looking for depth and nuance in a comic book show, you're not going to find it[/b] except in Preacher, and only then as a direct contrast to some hilarious full body explosion shit that just happened.[/quote] Marvel seems to be doing an outstanding job with it. Their Netflix shows aren't perfect, by any means, but they come about as close as I could hope for. DC has a diverse spread of animated content that also gets surprisingly deep. Handwaving terrible writing, acting, and plot decisions on the grounds that something is a "comic book show" is extremely unfair. There are plenty of examples of comics with incredibly rich stories, brilliant characters, sharp writing, and engaging settings, and there are also scattered examples of shows and movies that have represented that rich background properly. [quote]The CW is making a literal millenial take on DC powered peeps; no more, no less. It's going to be YEARS before something like The Wire or Oz with superpowered people is going to happen. The closest you're going to get is FX's Legion. I think you're missing they're using this formula because it's given the highest rated comic shows on tv outside of TWD, they are extremely unlikely to change it until ratings slip, because it's literally all they have outside of one other show in 1+ nielsens.[/quote] I get why it's formulaic, yeah. It is a mass-appeal money-machine aimed at teenage kids, and is thus dumbed down enough to attract the widest possible audience. Understanding that doesn't make it easier to appreciate it, however. As somebody with a deep love of all things DC, it's tragic to watch something I'm so passionate about get turned into such shallow schlock. Like, I would just really love to see a proper live-action take on classic DC heroes at some point. I'm not even asking for something gritty or dark; just something that's true to the characters and cleverly written!

Each Netflix series has some great nuance, and then that is coupled with some pants on head plot stuff like say, the entire last three episodes of Luke Cage or second half of DD S2. Netflix is also completely not aimed at teenagers. I'm not hitting on movies at all and even really using Netflix as a contrasting agent, because the Netflix series aren't bound by the same rules or conventions as the commercial-bound TV shows, I'm talking directly about advertising-dependent serial series. DC is currently profitable in the comics arena because they're sticking to the formula they have for the shows with only a few other titles stepping it up in terms of solid presentation, and it'll probably stay that way until such time as serious stories are given a shit about by millenials without the word 'edgy' being thrown around like a pinata. Which will be a while from now.

I just got to the bit in Supergirl where they revealed [sp]Red Tornado[/sp] Oh my fucking [I]GOD,[/I] that costuming. He looks like a 90's power ranger baddy! lmfao That sweaty greasepaint He is such an easy character to portray. [I]Why[/I] did they have to so dramatically change his design? [editline]/[/editline] [sp]...They made him a one-off disposable villain and killed T.O. Morrow? Fuck's sake. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. This show has zero respect for the DC universe. :([/sp]

Somewhat related to Arrow, both Kate Cassidy (Black Canary) and Emily Bett Rickards (Felicity) made appearances on "Whose Line is it Anyway" recently [video=youtube;K_DgggXk368]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DgggXk368[/video] [video=youtube;bsthFz63yJY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsthFz63yJY[/video]

[sp]Actually pretty cool with the J'on Jonzz design. A little bit different, but neat.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51460553][sp]Actually pretty cool with the J'on Jonzz design. A little bit different, but neat.[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp]best part is when they take a cool character like him and give him no actual time to shine. Just beat him to shit constantly [/sp]

Of couuuurse they had to sneak in a reference to "Superman Returns" at the end there with Ray. Anyway I wish they could somehow fix Supergirl being in a parallel universe and somehow merge the universes together somehow. Universe-hopping just to get help from the Supers seems to overcomplicate things. Plus, you know, would help this Justice League direction they're pushing the Arrowverse in. EDIT: And, I really hope this means the end of Cisco's mopey phase.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51459307]The one issue that I've always had with the Flash conceptually, and especially in that ridiculous CW show, is that this is a guy who can move so quickly that he's capable of breaking the fabric of reality to travel through time. He can also think and process info fast enough to keep up with that. So how the hell are people punching him? He can effectively "freeze" time from his perspective. Surely nobody other than another speedster would have any chance whatsoever of laying a finger on the guy. Like, I love comic books, and I can suspend my disbelief well enough to accept superpowers and aliens and whatnot, but it seems like his powers come across extremely inconsistently. In one episode, he's outrunning a Nuclear explosion, and in the next episode some Street Meany thwarting him with a flamethrower. In one episode he is casually dodging bullets, in another somebody is bullying him with strong punches. The writers treat his powers as both being so limited that he can only barely keep up with the baddies, and so powerful that he literally rewrite history. He's never fast enough to avoid real struggle, but he's always fast enough to accomplish his goal, and his powers always just so happen to be the perfect solution to every problem.[/QUOTE] Don't forget how even though he's the fastest human being ever, he still gets jumped on by his enemies, even though they might not have super speed. Kind of reminds me of Arrow tbh. Oliver spent a good bunch of years training and fighting through shit, and he still isn't able to have a stable level of skill in a fight. Once a "miniboss level of baddie" who has as much skill as a hooligan shows up, he'll take a couple of encounters to not get his ass handed to him. Literaly the only guys he can consistently beat up are average thugs, and even "flavour of the week" thugs with mildly special status, he takes a bit of a while to get through. [editline]2nd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=27X;51459449]If you're looking for depth and nuance in a comic book show, you're not going to find it except in Preacher, and only then as a direct contrast to some hilarious full body explosion shit that just happened. The CW is making a literal millenial take on DC powered peeps; no more, no less. It's going to be YEARS before something like The Wire or Oz with superpowered people is going to happen. The closest you're going to get is FX's Legion. I think you're missing they're using this formula because it's given the highest rated comic shows on tv outside of TWD, they are extremely unlikely to change it until ratings slip, because it's literally all they have outside of one other show in 1+ nielsens. You realize it was going to get cancelled and was saved by CW right? It's about the same 'dumb shit" as it was because all the same staff is there, and while we're at it, do show me another show on CBS aimed at young girls.[/QUOTE] ohhh i gotta watch that

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51461530]Kind of reminds me of Arrow tbh. Oliver spent a good bunch of years training and fighting through shit, and he still isn't able to have a stable level of skill in a fight. Once a "miniboss level of baddie" who has as much skill as a hooligan shows up, he'll take a couple of encounters to not get his ass handed to him. Literaly the only guys he can consistently beat up are average thugs, and even "flavour of the week" thugs with mildly special status, he takes a bit of a while to get through. t[/QUOTE] Don't remind me of how Anarchy somehow managed to fight off three trained superheroes at once and get away last season. That was super-stupid, no pun intended.

[QUOTE=KnightLight;51461558]Don't remind me of how Anarchy somehow managed to fight off three trained superheroes at once and get away last season. That was super-stupid, no pun intended.[/QUOTE] I'll remind you of something even better [i]Hurt me mommy[/i]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51460210]I just got to the bit in Supergirl where they revealed [sp]Red Tornado[/sp] Oh my fucking [I]GOD,[/I] that costuming. He looks like a 90's power ranger baddy! lmfao That sweaty greasepaint He is such an easy character to portray. [I]Why[/I] did they have to so dramatically change his design? [editline]/[/editline] [sp]...They made him a one-off disposable villain and killed T.O. Morrow? Fuck's sake. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. This show has zero respect for the DC universe. :([/sp][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51460553][sp]Actually pretty cool with the J'on Jonzz design. A little bit different, but neat.[/sp][/QUOTE] Honestly I'm kinda glad that [sp]Red Tornado and Martian Manhunter[/sp] aren't too weird for this type of show. Also, they should bring back Constantine.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51461768]Honestly I'm kinda glad that [sp]Red Tornado and Martian Manhunter[/sp] aren't too weird for this type of show. Also, they should bring back Constantine.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I hope if they do bring it back, they give a sort of mini-reboot and try to follow the comics a bit more. At least, if they're going to follow the first arc of the comics(the Brujeria/Rising Darkness storyline), they probably shouldn't try to make Zed a main character. They should definitely keep Matt Ryan as John, though. Especially since he's voicing him in Justice League Dark. :v:

That whole alien cross over thing felt like I was watching BenTen or something.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;51462321]That whole alien cross over thing felt like I was watching BenTen or something.[/QUOTE] The whole spaceship deal wasn't nice imo. Felt like it was making fun of those horrible shows on Sci-Fi, except at the same level. The "virtual ilusion" part was kind of sad though. Think Amell did a good job at it.