The 007 Thread - The Name's Bond, James Bond - Film, Television and Music

I liked all of those Pierce Brosnan movies, even Die Another Day, which I still haven't understand the dislike for. Also, part of my newfound dislike of Craig comes from the Activision remake of Goldeneye 64 that's about to be released. That game is an abomination.

[QUOTE=Akayz;23728004]Daniel Craig was good as bond. He is mature, he punches people in the face.. he is cool.. he is suave but when he is angry he isn't suave... how can anyone be? He is a good actor, Quantum of Solace was unique due to it being ahead of what it was... so many quick turns and sequences cleanly blended together. It is underrated, not a "mess". Casino Royale is a superb movie... compare that the "mess" that was Die Another Day, which didn't think was that terrible either. I don't think people understand that Daniel Craig IS NOT keeping to the formula that James Bond was seeming to become. Think about the FORGETTABLE bond movies... Tomorrow Never Dies? The World is Not Enough? and Die Another Day? they are average movies that people have forgotten. even bond fans don't comment on those movies because they know they are average. Craig IS more depressing.. but that is his portrayal.. you can't argue that he isn't more positive when everything he cares about around him dies a horrible death? Quantum of Solace is an ACTUAL sequel to Casino Royale, he didn't even have sex in that movie! See how mature bond can be? And for the record, Bond is nothing like Jason Bourne.[/QUOTE] I agree, Bond is coming to terms with his emotions at this point especially because of Vesper dying. He's having to control his ego. The way bond is portrayed in the Brosnan years is the latest product. The way Bond is portrayed in the Craig years is the starting/developing product of the character.

In my opinion, Bond doesn't need any more character development. He's a suave spy that gets the girl and defeats the bad guys. I don't think it's necessary nor a good idea to develop him any further, since he is portrayed by different actors.

So why was die another day that much worse than casino royale?

James Bond for me was awesome up until Daniel Craig. I saw part of Casino Royale and it was just too... I don't know, edgy. I think it'd be cool if they did a reboot of the series with a future bond, such as 007's replacement. I think 40 years for a single series is enough, and a new, refreshing character (such as an ACTUAL super-spy, not just some suave ladies man that's been done to death).

[QUOTE=Fycix;23738299]I saw part of Casino Royale and it was just too... I don't know, edgy.[/QUOTE] Edgy? It was a new style. Which people liked, it got fantastic reviews possibly one of the very best rated bond movies ever made. I think if they took bond in a new more "neo-noir" direction, that would be awesome as well, I wouldn't mind if it followed the formula or not, because I find new directions taken within the movies and characters interesting. Goldeneye took a complete new direction... just like The Living Daylights did. and now Casino Royale. If Quantum of Solace is to be Craig's last movie, I couldn't care because his two movies went well together. Long live James Bond is what people should be saying :smug:

I have a question: Casino Royale is set at the beginning of the Bond series, just after Bond has achieved 00 status. However, some of the other Bond films were set during the Cold War (e.g. You Only Live Twice) yet Casino Royale is set post-Cold War (quoting M: "God I miss the Cold War"). How does this work?

Mind, I haven't seen very many Bonds at all. From what I HAVE seen, however, I have liked quite a bit. My father is a pretty big Bond fan, too. I only explicitly remember seeing Daltry's movies, they were brilliant. I've seen bits and pieces of Brosnan, again brilliant. I just didn't like Craig's style.

Casino Royale was pretty good, although it was more bourne than bond. Quantum of Solace was fucking terrible.

[QUOTE=David29;23738695]I have a question: Casino Royale is set at the beginning of the Bond series, just after Bond has achieved 00 status. However, some of the other Bond films were set during the Cold War (e.g. You Only Live Twice) yet Casino Royale is set post-Cold War (quoting M: "God I miss the Cold War"). How does this work?[/QUOTE] I watched the director's commentaries back on the DVD and they said that the film had a 'messed up' timeline, especially keeping Judi Dench as M.

[QUOTE=Akayz;23728004]I don't think people understand that Daniel Craig IS NOT keeping to the formula that James Bond was seeming to become. Think about the FORGETTABLE bond movies... Tomorrow Never Dies? The World is Not Enough? and Die Another Day? they are average movies that people have forgotten. even bond fans don't comment on those movies because they know they are average.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Akayz;23728004] Think about the FORGETTABLE bond movies... Tomorrow Never Dies? The World is Not Enough? and Die Another Day? they are average movies that people have forgotten.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Akayz;23728004]Tomorrow Never Dies? The World is Not Enough? and Die Another Day?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Akayz;23728004][B]The World is Not Enough?[/B][/QUOTE] Are you insane? I think most Bond fans will agree with me that The World is Not Enough is definitely one of [U][B]the[/B][/U] best Bond movies. And Tomorrow Never Dies was also a very good film. Maybe not one of the best but definitely a lot of fun. And no, Quantum of Solace is not underrated. It is a genuine mess. Even looking at it as a normal action movie it fell flat. The plot and characters were incredibly uninteresting, and the action was cluttered and difficult to make sense of. And the villain's "evil" plot? "WE HAVE CORNERED 40% OF BOLIVIA'S WATER SUPPLY AND ARE GOING TO RAISE THE PRICE! MUAHAHAHA!!!" Roger Ebert says it best: [quote]OK, I'll say it. Never again. Don't ever let this happen again to James Bond. "Quantum of Solace" is his 22nd film and he will survive it, but for the 23rd it is necessary to go back to the drawing board and redesign from the ground up. Please understand: [I]James Bond is not an action hero! [/I]He is too good for that. He is an attitude. Violence for him is an annoyance. He exists for the foreplay and the cigarette. He rarely encounters a truly evil villain. More often a comic opera buffoon with hired goons in matching jump suits.[/quote]

Tomorrow Never Dies and TheWINotEnough are good movies, but they are FAAAR from the best... Caw... But you are missing the point entirely. I don't give a shit about reviews when it is me who is disagreeing with it. I am not a hardcore bond fanatic, but i have seen all of them. Quantum of Solace is a direct sequel to Casino Royale, which hasn't been done before. I enjoyed it Regardless of what you just said. To me that doesn't matter at all. All this 'true' villain nonsense... What a load of garbage, i like it despite it not going with the formula structure. It also has a more interesting soundtrack than most of the modern movies... Yet bond fans are concentrating on martinis and gadgets. Christ.

[QUOTE=Akayz;23743883]I am not a hardcore bond fanatic[/quote] Well there's your problem. These new movies are completely alienating the original fanbase that has been building for years. You like them because you haven't become as attached to the series as people like me. [quote]It also has a more interesting soundtrack than most of the modern movies... Yet bond fans are concentrating on martinis and gadgets. Christ.[/QUOTE] Sooo... because the soundtrack is interesting, it's okay to make a bad movie...? Honestly, what is your point with this sentence?

I really hate the new Bond and the new Bond films. Daniel Craig is such an ugly fuck. Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan were the best Bonds. And Pierce Brosnan was fucking hot.

[QUOTE=killz2much;23745271]I really hate the new Bond and the new Bond films. Daniel Craig is such an ugly fuck. Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan were the best Bonds. And Pierce Brosnan was fucking hot.[/QUOTE] If you rate an actor by his looks, GTFO!

[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;23745898]If you rate an actor by his looks, GTFO![/QUOTE] I don't. Pierce and Sean were the best out of all the Bonds. Though Pierce is my favorite out of all of them because, as someone said, he had all the traits for a character like Bond. His sexiness also was more fit for him being a Ladies Man and all. [editline]06:49PM[/editline] Daniel Craig just sucks.

[QUOTE=The Vman;23745117]Well there's your problem. These new movies are completely alienating the original fanbase that has been building for years. You like them because you haven't become as attached to the series as people like me. Sooo... because the soundtrack is interesting, it's okay to make a bad movie...? Honestly, what is your point with this sentence?[/QUOTE] You are clearly a bond fanatic. By that i mean crazed. If you read what i fucking said straight after your first quote you'd understand my point. Other people can enjoy crying and whining over how Craig isn't their fantasy man. If you were a true bond fan you would respect each and every little thing about the franchise. People like you don't deserve to be labelled a bond fan when you are expressing so much hate for it. It is what it is. A glorious high budget James Bond project. Quantum of Solace isn't a big deal it isn't a great movie but it definitely by every means isn't a bad movie. End of this motherfucking discussion. :byodood: I also, dont adore Solace, i think its getting far too much stick from people who simply can't get to grips with it. Not once has anyone said that it sometimes tends to lose momentom and start something new with no backstory. Thats why i think its not great. But it is a great ride with great stunt work. Don't cry, i swear people need to watch more movies.

[QUOTE=Akayz;23747047]You are clearly a bond fanatic. By that i mean crazed. If you read what i fucking said straight after your first quote you'd understand my point. Other people can enjoy crying and whining over how Craig isn't their fantasy man. If you were a true bond fan you would respect each and every little thing about the franchise. People like you don't deserve to be labelled a bond fan when you are expressing so much hate for it. It is what it is. A glorious high budget James Bond project. Quantum of Solace isn't a big deal it isn't a great movie but it definitely by every means isn't a bad movie. End of this motherfucking discussion. :byodood: I also, dont adore Solace, i think its getting far too much stick from people who simply can't get to grips with it. Not once has anyone said that it sometimes tends to lose momentom and start something new with no backstory. Thats why i think its not great. But it is a great ride with great stunt work. Don't cry, i swear people need to watch more movies.[/QUOTE] Yes, very much agree with you. Nobody should be compared, yes it's the same character but different actors bring a different role to it. It would get boring otherwise!

Defiance and Layer Cake, they will make you like Craig as an actor. Seriously... Career wise Craig has more potential than any other bond. Very bold and possibly stupid claim, but yes i see it. Watch Mamma Mia if you want to gag with Brosnan's performance. Sean Connery was only really good in Indiana Jones after bond. Dalton was great in Hot Fuzz.. Superb actor to this day. Roger Moore and Lazenby I have no clue. Car Insurance ads?

[QUOTE=Akayz;23747802]Defiance and Layer Cake, they will make you like Craig as an actor. Seriously... Career wise Craig has more potential than any other bond. Very bold and possibly stupid claim, but yes i see it. Watch Mamma Mia if you want to gag with Brosnan's performance. Sean Connery was only really good in Indiana Jones after bond. Dalton was great in Hot Fuzz.. Superb actor to this day. Roger Moore and Lazenby I have no clue. Car Insurance ads?[/QUOTE] Haha at the last bit.

[QUOTE=Akayz;23747047]Other people can enjoy crying and whining over how Craig isn't their fantasy man. If you were a true bond fan you would respect each and every little thing about the franchise. People like you don't deserve to be labelled a bond fan when you are expressing so much hate for it. It is what it is. A glorious high budget James Bond project.[quote] So, by that logic, true Star Wars fans should not have complained that the prequels were bland and angsty compared to the original films, but should have appreciated them because they are part of the franchise and had big budgets? That's awful logic. [quote]Quantum of Solace isn't a big deal it isn't a great movie but it definitely by every means isn't a bad movie. End of this motherfucking discussion. :byodood:[/quote]Your opinion =/= fact. So far, the majority in this thread, and most movie reviewers have agreed that Solace falls flat. You're just have bad taste in movies. [B]EDIT:[/B] [QUOTE=Akayz;23747802]Defiance and Layer Cake, they will make you like Craig as an actor.[/QUOTE] So, his performance in one movie makes his performance in a different movie better? I have no problems with Craig as an actor. He's a fine actor. He's just not [U]Bond[B]. [/B][/U]It's like how Jack Nicholson is a great actor, but you would never have him play Bond. It just wouldn't work.

Clive Owen would have been a much better Bond.

[QUOTE=jeimizu;23762361]Clive Owen would have been a much better Bond.[/QUOTE] This. I've been saying this since Craig got the role.

Casino Royale was a fun movie that was very interesting to watch and it had a lot of suspense. Quantum of Solace felt boring with no real plot, action that you didn't really care about and a terrible ending that made me forget about the whole thing after watching.

[QUOTE=The Vman;23762284] Your opinion =/= fact. [/QUOTE] Correct... finally you've found sense [QUOTE=The Vman;23762284] You're just have bad taste in movies. [/QUOTE] And there you just lost it... just after a sentence. I treat movies, theatre and music all the same... which doesn't mean to say I have "taste" that is a higher priority, its that I am more open-minded to them. And when people like you say that you have become "ATTACHED TO THE BOND SERIES", then explain how one of them is so bad due to bad reviews is just stupid imo. [editline]08:59AM[/editline] [QUOTE=jeimizu;23762361]Clive Owen would have been a much better Bond.[/QUOTE] This I sort of agree with, but they would have to change their direction which they [B]might[/B] do, you still don't know if they'll definitely make another one. Liam Neeson could be bond after I saw Taken :dance: [editline]09:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=The Vman;23762284] I have no problems with Craig as an actor. He's a fine actor. He's just not [U]Bond[B]. [/QUOTE] I wasn't talking to you. Probably will continue like that from now on :v:

[QUOTE=Akayz;23774486]And when people like you say that you have become "ATTACHED TO THE BOND SERIES", then explain how one of them is so bad due to bad reviews is just stupid imo.[/quote] What is this sentence supposed to mean? Honestly. Are you trying to say that it doesn't make sense for someone who likes a series to dislike a new installment that completely changes the direction the series is taking? If so, then once again, that is awful logic. I love the Bond formula. These new movies completely go away from the Bond formula. Therefore, I do not love these movies. And what the hell does "one of them is so bad due to bad reviews is just stupid imo." mean? I honestly don't understand what you are saying. It looks like you are trying to say that because the movie got bad reviews that made the movie bad? In which case, once again, that doesn't make any sense. Bad movies create bad reviews, it's not the other way around. [quote]Liam Neeson could be bond after I saw Taken :dance:[/QUOTE] Nah, I think Neeson is way too old to play Bond. Just imagine him trying to talk up a Bond girl half his age.

[QUOTE=The Vman;23774947]Bad movies create bad reviews, it's not the other way around.[/QUOTE] awesome.

Best Bond: I'm torn between Brosnan and Connery with this, they both had a charm I've yet to see replicated in the other Bonds. Best film: Goldfinger, You only Live Twice, For Your Eyes only, Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies. I love them all okay :colbert: My opinion of Craig: Dammit, you got Jason Bourne in my James Bond!

[QUOTE=cyclocius;23775713] Best film: [B]Goldfinger[/B], You only Live Twice, For Your Eyes only, [B]Goldfinger[/B] and Tomorrow Never Dies. I love them all okay :colbert: [/QUOTE] Did the same as me and got Goldfinger twice instead of GoldenEye :v:

Roger Moore... :sigh: Moonraker, despite how unrealistic and... silly it got was a pretty good watch. The spy who loved me was just brilliant, though.