Saw it with my cousins tonight for free. I definitely give it between a 6.5/7 out of 10. It was a pretty solid film, but it had some flaws that people have mentioned in the thread already. There were moments that felt weak, and there were moments that were certainly powerful. Not the best in the world, but better than some of the crap DC has put out for sure.
it felt like Just Another Superhero Film to me
they are really milking the first female director trope for all its worth and the thing is... its nothing. The film feels like any other dime a dozen superhero film, very formulaic, not very inspired and direction wise, you have to wonder what exactly it is Jenkins does, because large swathes of the film feel like they were either 2nd units or made in post...
And thus the cynic in me thinks this is the latest trick in a long list of desperate gambits by studios to stem the bleeding from the superhero meme finally fucking nosediving their profits, i.e hire minority directors as a shield against rightful criticism.... it seems to have worked here: 99% of the headlines are about the marvel of a woman directing a big studio cape film, but tellingly little is said about the actual [I]film[/I]
The film is competent and I don't think much more deserves to be said about it than that. I suppose the real crowning achievement is that a few DC and WB suits probably postponed their suicides when the figures came in green
[editline]4th June 2017[/editline]
oh I will say on a positive note, Gadot plays heroic much better than I ever wouldve expected her to be, but I knew that back in Batman Vs Superman where she somehow managed to almost upstage the two actual leads. Not hard given that Cavill is a clunker in that film and Affleck is playing sad sack, but still surprising how charismatic she comes off.
This film took me back to being an eight year old watching Spider-Man 1 for the first time. Emotional, engaging and thrilling. I applaud the fact they [sp]killed off Pine's character[/sp]. The plot isn't just a tool for action devoid of actual characters and story. If Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman doesn't become a cultural icon like Maguire's Spider-Man did I will be shocked.
Now Warner Bros, for the inevitable sequel please just leave the cast, the writer and director to get fucking on with it because if you do I have high hopes they will produce a masterful sequel that will stand with the best.
I loved how natural the humor was. All the other super hero movies should take some notes tbh
Just got back from seeing it. Solid movie, question about the ending though: [sp]Where was she going at the end? It looked like she put on her costume and jumped...somewhere[/sp]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52313808]Just got back from seeing it. Solid movie, question about the ending though: [sp]Where was she going at the end? It looked like she put on her costume and jumped...somewhere[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I would say it there was no destination in mind, it was just to get a last heroic shot to close the film[/sp]
Saw the film today, and I was quite disappointed.
I went in with some expectations, I like Wonder Woman quite a lot and word was that DC had finally knocked it out of the park. Like BvS, it wasn't all bad, there were certainly a lot of elements that I really enjoyed and thought worked well, such as [sp]the very beginning with the amazons flipping about and being badass warriors, the lasso combat scenes were really cool, and the final reveal about war being an abstract force that harms all sides in war was smart, if ill-handled. I also personally enjoyed the snowfall scene, as it captured a christmassy wartime feel to me. [/sp]
It's just a shame that:
[sp]- Diana's powers were very inconsistent. If she was surprised that she was strong enough to climb the tower, what the hell was she doing jumping off the precipice as a child? Would that stone wall have snapped her neck or what? If she's vulnerable enough to bullets for Antiope to sacrifice herself at the start to prevent her being shot, how come later on she's just fine after being crushed by rubble?
- Luddendorf, while an interesting misdirect in theory, was boring in practice. His motivations were legit evil for the sake of evil, he killed his own men in a scene that was immediately passed over, and then the bit where he's laughing with Dr Poison after throwing the gas mask in. Good lord, I cringed hard at that. Throwing a gas mask in when you know it's hopeless to cause them to fight amongst themselves = malicious and sadistic. Pointing it out to the audience and laughing like Robbie Rotten = all tension is gone and I actually feel stupid for watching such a condescending movie. Also the weird strength gas glowy face thing was just, not good. Should have focused on Dr Poison more.
- Ares. Or more fittingly as my phone autocorrected his name to, Arse. Evil British politician man, nice twist, he gave a monologue, his voice got deep and distorted just as Diana rounds the corner and... He's behind another window? I almost laughed out loud. He's supposed to be the God of War. The guy in the comics wears black armour, has shadow for a face and spooky red eyes, and it works. He looks like a greco-roman conceptualisation of war and that works. When she turns the corner, he should be standing there in his armour, tall and domineering and revealed as this great, terrifying force. He should absolutely not be standing behind another window, Javert style. Thewlis is a good actor, and perfect for WW1 British gentleman, but he should not be the default face for Ares. The moustache in the flashback, goofy as hell.
I was waiting for them to put him in the armour for so long, and then they did, but he clawed a mask into his helmet and there is Thewlis and that fucking moustache again. And for all the narrative meandering about what war was and how killing people was just prolonging suffering/no good, Wonder Woman's shining moment is apparently just to enact a SUPER killmove? This movie seems confused.
- We didn't need the squad. Sure, Spud from Trainspotting is a fun character but he is legit not a good sniper, and Wonder Woman asking him to tag along further just seemed cruel. The guy is messed up. Wonder Woman cannot be shot and in fact could probably win the war single-handedly, probs with almost no casualties. So why bring the poor Scot along? Diana was so much stronger than the soldiers she was facing that it just didn't make sense for her to have a howling commandos team a la Cap America in the First Avenger.
- Biggest gripe has to be Gal Gadot though. A lot of my personal problems with the movie stemmed from her either not being convincing or her being too naive. That big 'Nooooo' at the end was hard to take seriously. She was also way too twiggy, especially in comparison with the other amazons at the start. And then that line at the end about the answer being love or whatever, it just didn't feel genuine or meaningful. It also didn't explain how at the start of the movie she was saying that she was once a hero, and now... she is again! Nothing changed in present day, and we didn't learn why she hadn't been seen since WW1. Has she being heroing all this time? Where is she leaping at the end? Also, another email between the heroes, which works about as well as it did in BvS. [/sp]
[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;52308560]I saw it last night and I will say that I enjoyed more so than a lot of the current DC Cinematic Universe films. It is enjoyable for what it is and has a lot more focus than other DC movies to date. Where movies like Suicide Squad and Batman v. Superman have various frustrating aspects and messy editing, Wonder Woman is an overall more solid film. I do feel like the higher praise for it are a little exaggerated, however.
A few nitpicks and thoughts of mine:
[sp]- Overall, I'm okay with Gal Gadot's casting as Diana; but there were moments where I felt she was too slender and acted too girly from what I would expect of Wonder Woman. It worked mostly for the scenes where she's trying to understand and fit in our world, but it sometimes became a little distracting during the action scenes.
- Like Batman v. Superman before it, there were scenes that were very noticeably green screen and SFX that was made more apparent and distracting by my 3D glasses.
- I really liked that they subverted expectations in making one think Ludendorff was Ares only to have a more unassuming character. However, I think Danny Huston would have made a better fit for Ares than David Thewlis (Although, Thewlis' voice as Ares was pretty good).
- For some reason, I really liked Dr. Poison and wish there was more focus on her as the villain. I wanted to know more about her background and motivations. As well as just what her super drug for Ludendorff was (as maybe it could have related to meta-genes or something).
- The No Man's Land scene was probably the best and most memorable scene in the film
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Pretty much word for word of this post except the first bullet. [sp]I think Gal Gadot nailed the performance as Wonder Woman. I'll extend this to the young Diana too because that kid was a riot.
And yeah for the God of War I'd expect a few "more" fists to be flying coming from Ares. Half the time he just threw debris like Darth Vader.[/sp] With that said, of all the bad and messy films we've been putting up with from DC movies after The Dark Knight Rises, we finally get a good one that's better than them combined, and it's freaking Wonder Woman of all films! I do hope there's a genuine WW2 coming and not just Justice League with her in it.
I think Wonder Woman is a genuine[B] B[/B].
As funny as [sp]Ares having the stache is, his armor being made out of tank parts and the whole cutting the eyeholes thing was just awesome. Perfect scene for the god of war[/sp]
[QUOTE=overwatch pvt;52316657]As funny as [sp]Ares having the stache is, his armor being made out of tank parts and the whole cutting the eyeholes thing was just awesome. Perfect scene for the god of war[/sp][/QUOTE]
As much as I agree with you, I vastly preferred [URL="http://experiencethewonder.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2017-Mattel-DC-Comics-Multiverse-Wonder-Woman-Movie-10in-Collect-Connect-Action-Figure-Ares-002.jpg"]the pre-movie release action figure design[/URL] [WARNING: SPOILERS]
At this point I must conclude that they came up with that design in order to hide one of the greatest twist of the movie, but it's just that much [I]BETTER[/I] (and far more faithful to the comics too).
[sp]I think Ares would have been vastly, vastly improved if they just blacked out his face in the close-ups and gave him red glowing eyes. Like this...[/sp][URL="http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/GalleryChar_1900x900_Ares_52ab723d9ab608.91522110.jpg"]SPOILERS[/URL] [sp]Some cloth would have helped too. [/sp]
[sp]I don't know. I like the idea of the armor coming together from the debris, but it lost a lot of the cool parts of his comic design.[/sp]
Just saw the movie, I though it was a good Super hero movie but for whatever reason the aspect of the movie before the finale sits really wrong with me and this might just be with me not knowing ww1 as much or because the way it was taught to me.
Went to see this movie last night, I had really low expectations honestly and I was afraid it was gonna be overhyped, but I honestly enjoyed it a lot.
I was really impressed with the fact that they took the time to slow down and develop the characters, my main gripes were the underdeveloped villains and the excessive CG at the end, but honestly i actually cared about the characters so I didn't mind it so much.
As someone said, reminded me of when I was younger watching the first raimi spiderman.
To be fair pretty much every good super hero movie in recent years has had underdeveloped villains
ya idk i think the RT rating mighttttt be a bit biased because of the whole "strong female protagonist, social reform, misogyny is bad, etc" thing.
felt like a superhero movie to me tbh
[editline]10th June 2017[/editline]
it got high ratings because its a symbol of female power rather than being a really good movie
I thought it did great for a DC movie, made me excited about future projects for sure.
[QUOTE=overwatch pvt;52335778]To be fair pretty much every good super hero movie in recent years has had underdeveloped villains[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say underdevloped, but I wish there were more scenes of [sp]Ares[/sp] fighting. We got a bit of a taste with the [sp]part where Wonder Woman uses her lasso on him and keeps blocking it.[/sp]
I saw it yesterday and was pleasantly surprised. I don't really follow the big review sites but I knew people liked it. At this moment I can't say if it will go down as one of the best comic book movies, for that it felt quite formulaic. It was the movie the DCEU needed after the shitfests BvS and SS. It took it's time with the main characters, made them face important questions and most importantly focused on one storyline.
Movie spoilers.
[sp]I really liked how Diana was naive about stopping Ares and fixing everything by his death. That not being the case was a strong moment. Humans are flawed and I liked how she was confronted with that. I was puzzled when the German soldiers seemed more friendly after Ares most likely died. It felt like she was right after all but maybe the Germans were happy the fighting stopped? I don't know.
I do wonder why, just why they made the flashback scene and put the old dude's head on a muscular body. It's a decision that I just don't understand. Did they show that so even mentally challenged people understood he was Ares? Such a short scene and I so wish it wasn't there.
The German duo was comically evil. Especially when they killed off the other officers and shared an evil laugh together. I found it funny but compared to the rest of the movie it was slightly out of place.[/sp]
Overall good movie. I'm still not completely sold on Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman but she did a fine job.
I was about to say if Zack Snyder should stay with the DCEU but Suicide Squad was done by a different director so I can't blame everything on him. I hope WW will show DC that we want more HOPE in their movies.
I like the idea that [sp]Ludendorff and Dr. Poison were a good way to throw people off on who was Ares. Ludendorff was the perfect candidate as he seemed so out of it like Diana in the world of man. He wants nothing but war and death, he shoots people out in clear view of his associates, treats them like sub-human garbage, and he giggles like a Saturday morning cartoon villain.[/sp]
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[sp]I was puzzled when the German soldiers seemed more friendly after Ares most likely died. It felt like she was right after all but maybe the Germans were happy the fighting stopped? I don't know.[/sp]
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[sp]I took that as something similar to the famous Christmas Truce. Maybe even a reference, as that was also WWI. After witnessing two literal Gods fighting, they're just glad to be alive. In a moment like that, they are all humans regardless of what side of the war they're on.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Norpo;52301829][sp]problem is that he doesn't change. In the beginning he is disguised as british politician with a moustache and in the final battle he only puts on armor.
Silly british moustache remains, looks goofy as fuck[/sp][/QUOTE]
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I actually preferred that he still had the mustache. I thought it helped with the character that his physical appearance was somewhat unassuming. I actually liked that villain reveal altogether. He started out interesting before they started fighting when he said that he never told the humans to kill each other, he just provided the means for them to do so.
But then 30 seconds later he started screaming about wanting Diana to help him kill them all and he was no longer interesting.
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Also the human villains were a missed opportunity. Danny Huston in particular just came off as an insane warmonger. All you had to do was give him a minute or two of dialogue when he met the other German leaders where you can demonstrate something else in his character that makes him unwilling to submit and wants to win the war. You could have made him too prideful to admit defeat or uber patriotic and not willing to let his country face the impacts of loss. Would have been more interesting than him just being a crazed psycho like the gas girl.
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Otherwise great movie, loved it. The hero actually had an arc. I forgot when the last time a comic movie character had an arc.
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Also the human villains were a missed opportunity. Danny Huston in particular just came off as an insane warmonger. All you had to do was give him a minute or two of dialogue when he met the other German leaders where you can demonstrate something else in his character that makes him unwilling to submit and wants to win the war. You could have made him too prideful to admit defeat or uber patriotic and not willing to let his country face the impacts of loss. Would have been more interesting than him just being a crazed psycho like the gas girl.
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[sp]It might actually be interesting if his argument against surrendering walked through the actual results of WWI for the Germans, how unfair and brutal it would be for their citizens.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Samson0722;52303771][sp]I thought that the scene where she was going over the trenches into no mans land was the most powerful scene. It was just so well executed it gave me chills [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The No Man's Land scene was the worst for me. It was more "Death by a thousand cuts" than one thing in particular. Started off with the civilians in the trench, that never would have happened. Secondly, Belgian and British troops in the same portion of the line? As far as I'm aware, that never would have happened - and I just thought they were British soldiers with Adrian Helmets for some reason until I saw the credits and they were listed as Belgian. Then they go over, and I didn't mind her deflecting bullets and whatnot, but her swatting the mortar away was fucking stupid. It should have exploded on her shield, her shield protecting her. And didn't a similar shell just explode on her shield a few minutes later anyway? And then finally, what really took me out of it was when those troops just got up out of the trench for an assault, ignoring any amount of military protocol in launching their own attack.
Like, I felt it would have been better had it just been WW and the crew making their way to the German lines. But that's just me I guess[/sp]
Also why the fuck did the German's wear Gas Hoods (instead of the GM-15 gas mask). Overall however, I did enjoy the movie although I feel some of the characters were not developed enough ([sp]The crew mainly, and Dr. Poison[/sp].
[QUOTE=Pax;52358448][sp]It might actually be interesting if his argument against surrendering walked through the actual results of WWI for the Germans, how unfair and brutal it would be for their citizens.[/sp][/QUOTE]
That's what I was thinking. [sp]If he had a dialogue to the other Germans, something like "I've seen what happens to nations that lose wars. blah blah blah they get treated like shit and their country will take decades to recover". One sentence and suddenly the shitty villain has another dimension.[/sp]
I don't think they wanted the Germans to be sympathetic though.
[QUOTE=Garry #2;52337582]ya idk i think the RT rating mighttttt be a bit biased because of the whole "strong female protagonist, social reform, misogyny is bad, etc" thing.
felt like a superhero movie to me tbh
[editline]10th June 2017[/editline]
it got high ratings because its a symbol of female power rather than being a really good movie[/QUOTE]
or maybe people liked it.
Still reeling in shock that this movie wasn't trash honestly.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52313808]Just got back from seeing it. Solid movie, question about the ending though: [sp]Where was she going at the end? It looked like she put on her costume and jumped...somewhere[/sp][/QUOTE]
What bugs me is that the movie starts with her working in the Louvre in Paris, yet I'm fairly certain her jump at the end is over the Thames river in London...
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