Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread - Dr. Strangelove - Film, Television and Music

In regards to the gauntlet, I'm pretty damn sure it's up to whatever 50% Thanos considers when he snapped his fingers.

I liked Thanos, he seemed like a dad who just wanted to go on a nice vacation with his children, but with them being teenagers he's desperately trying to reach out to them and make them understand his way of life. After a long and drawn out vacation they come home and Thanos goes into his little workshop in the garage just to get away from everything. I really liked how Thanos just went to live in a little cottage out in the countryside after having done what he wanted, he emboided the american dream,

Of all the things from the Infinity Gauntlet comic, Thanos chilling out all contented on a farm with a scarecrow was not something I expected them to adapt. Though I did like all the little thematic bits they pulled from the source material and distributed to everyone else. Like, Gamora gets Adam Warlock's whole "if you know the plan, then that's twice as many people who know the plan, and that means we've doubled our chances of failure" thing, and Drax is the one who gets turned into blocks instead of Nova. I also liked how they tried the original "just pull the glove off him and deal with the rest of it later" plan. I re-read Infinity Gauntlet literally right before going to see it and I think it really enhanced the experience.

It's actually a little more than 6 years, considering that on Homecoming they say the battle of New York happened 8 years ago, but it still kinda confusing about what year happens each movie.

I also think The Ebony Maw got Mephisto's "my humble personage blah blah blah" speech when he gives Thanos the Cosmic Cube in the beginning.

Spoilers for Infinity War, and thoughts on what I think will happen in the sequel: Since the Soul Stone's thing appears to be trading a soul for another soul, I feel like this is how we are going to say goodbye to Tony Stark and bring Peter Parker back. Other souls that may be traded are Rocket for Groot, Steve for Bucky/Sam and Shuri for T'Challa. No idea how they'll bring Strange back like this however, and it's not looking good for the rest of the Guardians either. Maybe GOTG 3 will be a pre-sequel though, set between GOTG 2 and Infinity War, so their deaths won't technically matter for another movie. And it would also be a great way to resolve the situation while also leaving some actual weight behind the snap. Also: I've got a feeling that the main character of the next Avengers will be Hawkeye. It would be fitting to have the ultimate underdog be the hero at the very end.

no its l1/2 of every species of sentient being, he told tony "when this is over half of humanity will still be a live."

I think it's a bit of both, to be honest. Thanos says it after expressing his admiration for Tony, to me it almost sounded like Thanos was giving him something for his efforts - a guarantee that his species will be among the least affected. I do totally think Thanos is intending for most well developed society's to be cut in half, but it isn't a completely viable rule throughout the universe and you can imagine that it's broken here and there. Groot, presumably being the last of his species, turning to dust while Rocket, presumably the only one of his species surviving, calls into question how defined that 50/50 rule is.

well its a question of if he made a wwish and the gauntlet took him litterally. he already was going around and doing the exact same thing on other planets, killing 1/2 of the population, though not through the dry randomness he wanted on titan, but through rounding up 1/2 of people in each place and killing them. the gauntlet might have done it that way because that's how he did things but it also could have exactly halved the population of every sentient being in the universe because that's what it actually can do, and thanos seemed pretty determined to absolutely halve the universe. groot dying means there is another groot out there, rocket not dying could mean 2 things, one that he has no soul or that as the only member of the sentient murderous racoon family, he is indivisible. Where things get iffy is that Starlord as the only um whatever he us, shouldn't be killed by the same logic mostly I'm just saying that they weren't strictly adhering to any rules and were just killing people based on screen time. what thanos had expressed throughout the movie was an absolute halving of the universe and we saw not quite that for cinematic purposes, even though I think it would have been more dramatic for some people to just vanish from the battlefield and everybody standing around would be wondering what happened instead of like most of the people vanishing from existence and the survivors pretty obviously knowing what happened

It's been confirmed that was a mistake.

Would seem to contradict what he was doing prior to having the gauntlet, going to each planet one at a time to kill exactly half. They didn't say he went to some planets and decided 3/4ths would die, or another where only 1/3rd would die.

I wonder, was Thanos telling truth about Gamora's homeworld being a better place now?

I think so. Especially with that one line where he tells Gamora "I never taught you to lie". He clearly wanted Gamora to be just like him, so if he didn't teach her to lie, odds are he doesn't either.

Your probability and statistics are completely wrong. The snap can be explained as a simple fair coin flip (p=0.5) applied to every single sentient being in the universe. With a fair coin flip, we get an expected value of 50%, and a variance of 25% of the size of any set the coin flip is applied on. The variance hereby is the expected deviation from the mean; or in other words, how much the result can deviate from the expected value while still being within reasonable bounds of likelihood. This soundly explains why characters like Groot and Peter Quill, despite possibly being the last of their kind, may be killed, while also splitting the expected size of each population in the universe in half. And the number of heros that get killed off is also completely within reasonable bounds. Let me demonstrate: On Earth, 7 out of 13 main characters disappeared (at least, that we know of). This is close to half of the heros, which falls completely in line with the expected value. On Titan, 5 out 7 characters vanished, leaving only Tony and Nebula. 5/7 < 6/8 = E[X] + V[X], meaning that this result is still within reasonable bounds of what could happen with a coin flip and a sample set of 7. Furthermore, Thanos' statement that half of humanity would still be alive is also fairly accurate with a coin flip. No matter how large the sample size, out of any reasonably large, randomly chosen subpartition, you are likely to have close to 50% heads and 50% tails.

Most of your posts on the last two pages are in ignorance of how the marvel formula works, and you're ignoring that Thanos is still sticking to his original plan even though he doesn't have to now because of magical glove.

What's with all the assholes on social media spoiling it for everyone

Man, the trailers really undersold how nuanced and complex Thanos was, going so far as to make up that shitty line about balancing the universe putting a smile on his face. Thanos isn't having fun at any point in the movie. The whole experience is downright painful for him, and the smile he gives at the end feels like it's out of relief more than anything.

Its "Snape kills Dumbledore" all over again.

But his original plan, as stated in the movie, was essentially random lottery. Total coin flip for each person in the universe accomplishes both that and a statistical decrease of each civilization by 50%. It also accounts for things like the mobile interstellar population. I don't think he's concerned about maintaining a perfect population of each species, just overall sustainability in each environment. To him, I would think one groot using resources is the same as one human or one kree, etc.

happens with most big movies.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4393 jesus it opened to +$250 million here in the states, beating Force Awakens and setting the new record for largest opening weekend domestically. It's international debut amazingly was still second to Fate of the Furious lol..

Honestly I'm of the mind that the snap is just gonna be undone outright with no caveats. It's about the journey, not the destination; the original Infinity Gauntlet comic had like no longterm repercussions aside from Adam Warlock becoming god. Everyone who died came back to life and most got a handy memory wipe along with it. Of course Spider-Man and Doctor Strange and T'Challa are all coming back, there's a good chance they (along with Gamora) are just stuck in the Soul Stone. Everyone who died beforehand (The Black Order, Heimdall, and assuming it wasn't another illusion, Loki) gets to stay dead, since they can pull the whole "there's a fine line between righting a wrong and playing god" thing. They could theoretically bring back Yondu and Odin and Uncle Ben and T'Chaka and everyone else who ever died in these movies, but they're obviously not gonna do that, so they have to draw the line somewhere. "If you died from the snap, you get to come back" seems fair and simple. My money's on them getting the band back together and challenging Thanos one last time in the sequel. We'll get Captain Marvel in there, Hulk will get over himself and form a sick tag-team with Thor, and everyone who got dusted will get resurrected. They undo the snap, destroy the gems, and the original team of Avengers retires. I'm betting on Cap passing the shield to Bucky and becoming a higher-up at SHIELD (since Fury and Hill both got dusted, they clearly need more failsafes), Tony riding off into the sunset with Pepper (for real this time), and Thor finally sitting on the throne for real. I honestly don't think we'll get more than one or two major deaths in the next one, just because we've seen it all here and, at this point, letting a superhero just get old and hang it up without anything particularly tragic happening WOULD be really surprising (not to mention, seeing the original team of Avengers living the good life at the end would be a really nice parallel to the end of Infinity War, with Thanos resting easy after completing his mission.

Just came back from the movie. Loved it, but man it's...a depressant. I didn't expect Loki to die so fast in the first few minutes. Felt a bit rushed but the impact is still there. Glad his heart was in the right place? Now this just means only Thor is left of Asgard, which is a fucking vile move for everyone to die. I thought at least some of them to make it out but nope all dead. Everyone's dead. Buckey's dead. Spiderman's dead. Gamora's dead. Peter's dead, Drax. Strange. Fury. T'challa. Vision. Everyone I liked throughout the entire saga is gone. God DAMN THAT ENDING. I thought the Last Jedi was going to make me feel feelsy but Infinity War has me wheeling by the end. So amazing, and yet I'm depressed. Thanos ended up being the most hate-able and the most liked villain in the MCU imo, perhaps in recent action and superhero movie memory even. I'd talk about Thanos a bit more, but my head isn't exactly clear right now. If there was one thing I could add, is Groot I know is 80% going to come back. Remember how he came back in Gardians 1? Remember that Thor's new axe handle is made from Groot's limb. Final Verdict: A-

The line directly after this is 'That's why you're so bad at it' so that doesn't back up what you're saying at all

Since the consensus seems to be that the planet he's on at the end is Gamora's homeworld, I'd believe it.

Infinity War is on track to make more money over a weekend than JL did during its entire theatrical run. Without China. http://deadline.com/2018/04/avengers-infinity-war-worldwide-opening-record-all-time-international-box-office-1202378926/

Oh and Gamora's death was gut-wrenching. Like I thought Thanos was just going to sacrifice her like she was trash as she always imagined he would, but to see him cry, him clenching his jaw as the tears flow before the act made it worse as he knew the sacrifice, but in the end he REALLY DID consider her the favorite and from the get-go he didn't want to go through this. In the end, despite this, he found killing half the universe just that important, and that is what made it so sad. It's up there with Han's death from The Force Awakens on how slow and emotionally drawn out it is, letting the scene sink-in and execute. When it hit, it hurt!

I just got back from it and it definitely surpassed my expectations. I think it balances the comedy, action, and drama (a fair amount of choked up moments) remarkably well considering the its ensemble cast and epic scale. It truly is nothing short of epic and really feels like a new beginning rather than the end of an era (although it very much is one). Some of highlights and my thoughts: I'm not exactly sold on Loki's death, simply because it seemed uncharacteristically foolish of him. I feel like there still may be a trick up his sleeve. I did expect his death in that scene (and unfortunately the rest of Asgard --although, it begs the question where was Valkyrie during that whole affair), but it felt kind of disappointing if that really is his end. I was really impressed with Chris Hemsworth when Thor and Rocket spoke together on their way to the star. He wonderfully mixed anguish, bravado, and rage all in his facial expression and tone. The fear in Tom Holland's voice as Peter gets ashed choked me up. Strangely, when Nebula was getting tortured choked me up as well. The interactions between the various characters meeting were great and the humor never really detracted from the situation or felt out of character or completely tone deaf. Of the Black Order, I really liked Ebony Maw. I was kind of hoping for more of him. Captain America, Black Window, Falcon, and Black Panther really didn't do as much as I expected but that will likely change in the next one. I am so glad Red Skull showed up. That was a great cameo and follow-up to his end in Captain America: The First Avenger. Okay, the big one: The snap. My theory at the moment is that they're not dead (of course), but the snap created divergent realities existing simultaneously. Doctor Strange introduced the the multiverse, and I believe that the Stones working in conjunction with each other were able to create another reality or at least, split the current one into two sustainable realities (at the cost of splitting everyone up). In one exists Captain America and company; in the other exists those who got ashed. Dr. Strange willingly gave up the Time Stone knowing it was part of the only outcome where they could win and that the snap, ultimately, has to occur for them to win (how will be shown in Avengers 4). Vision and Gamora will remain dead because their fates are tied to Thanos' acquisition of the Stones which also has to occur for him to perform the snap which will eventually lead to their victory. The possibilities of these divergent realities are endless (perhaps in the ashed reality Wanda has her brother back but Vision is gone). I thought I'd be calling quits after Infinity War, but I am excited to see what else they've got in store.

It's much easier for them to kill characters rather than make them retire. It's much harder to explain why Tony/Cap/etc are not there trying to save the universe again if they are alive.

Fury was driving an Infiniti in the end credits