Marvel Cinematic Universe Thread - Dr. Strangelove - Film, Television and Music

I'm still holding out hope for Korg and Miek. They wanted to revive the One-Shot series for them, they wouldn't just dump them, would they? Also, with Red Skull reappearing, when will we finally get some closure for Abomination, Leader, and the 'real' Mandarin?

It gets gradually more American, which is a nice touch.

This. I saw it in IMAX and let me tell you, every single hit during Hulk vs Thanos literally shook our seats. We didn't need no D-Box to feel the movie on this one.

I somewhat expect a Secret Invasion storyline in either Avengers 5 or 6, seeing as the Skrulls are slated to appear in Captain Marvel. Preferably 6, as that would allow for more buildup.

I enjoyed Infinity War. I especially liked the jokes, I actually laughed more than during Thor: Ragnarok. The jokes just landed for me more. 2 things that bothered me. I write them in a bit harsh manner but they didn't lower my enjoyment of the movie almost at all: I can't take the deaths seriously. Although they surprised me by going for the complete opposite of what I expected. They are coming back. The question is what about the pre-snap deaths. Let's be honest though, only one of them was a character people cared about (Loki). Gamora is the question mark. Her death is linked with the soul stone so she's probably fine. Second thing is Thanos' and others' power level. Thanos beats the shit out of Hulk at the start of the movie. I'm sorry but that to me eliminates like half of the heroes even tickling Thanos. Also a lot pure human characters can keep up with the best of Thanos soldiers. I'm specifically talking about Black Widow and the Wakanda lady fighting the alien staff-wielding lady and her brother (?) and Scarlet Witch taking some heavy hits like they are nothing.

Well he had the power stone at the time though, I'm sure things would have been different if he didn't.

Well, he has even more after that?

You would be incorrect, Thanos is a galactic level threat in any regard, that's pretty much his thing. He is that strong, he is that smart and he is that ruthless and driven.

I think it's worth noting that everyone who fights Thanos does so REALLY smartly with Strange using his cape and Iron Man putting nanotech on him to keep his hand open, Spidey webbing him up and Mantis trying to put him to sleep. Hulk was literally just blindly throwing haymakers because that's all he needed to do in the past. Thanos actually knows how to fight, hence why he was able to fucking gorilla press him. Hulk is like a fighting game character who hits like a truck and has super armor; if you've just got better tech and can get through the super armor, he's a glass cannon. I think the thing that killed so many of the jokes in Ragnarok for me was how unsurprising they were. The bits that actually made me laugh in Infinity War ("YOU GUYS ARE SO SCREWED!", Spidey dissing Footloose, "kick names, take ass", etc.) came about during regular bits of dialog when you don't necessarily expect anything to happen. But then in Ragnarok, the go-to strategy was "build up something really epic and then make it awkward with a joke"; they do it like 3 times in the first 5 minutes when Thor is talking to Surtur. So by the end of it, whenever things started getting real, I'd roll my eyes and think "okay a joke is about to happen" and then bam, right on queue the most obvious joke would happen. Like during the climax when Banner just smacks into the Rainbow Bridge. That was honestly my only real gripe with Ragnarok; it felt like Taika Waititi wanted to make a weird space comedy and the studio wanted a serious epic third movie to set up Thor for Infinity War. So all the space stuff is 100% goofy while all the Asgard stuff is 100% grim and it doesn't mesh nearly as well as something like the GotG movies.

I'm not a huge Marvel fan but holy fuck Thanos is badass and [sp]I basically cheered for him the entire fucking movie This is the first Marvel movie that actually feels like there is a threat and shit, it's so freaking good[/sp].

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the nanomachine iron man suit bothers me the more I think about it. there's just no way tony stark could create something that advanced, I just don't buy it. At the beginning of the movie when Tony and Pepper were chatting after going for a run Tony should have said something like "You know these nanobots eluded me and stark industries for years, and thanks to our new Wakanda friends and their gifts I can make my dream to protect us a reality" or something like that.

I'm fine with it for Iron Man and Black Panther, but nobody else should have this "lol it's just magic science shit that makes our entire suit happen whenever wherever instantly" stuff. Like, Spider-Man better lose that new suit, the entire point of him is that he's got such OP powers that he doesn't NEED any gadgets beyond a few little gizmos he can fit on his wrists or a utility belt. Once you open the "why doesn't Tony Stark just make everyone a suit?" bottle, you can't close it because, realistically speaking, there's NO reason that every Avenger (or at least, every non-invulnerable Avenger) shouldn't have a 100% vibranium nanotech Iron Man suit with missiles and repulsor beams and retractable spider legs and an on-board AI to make funny jokes and keep things running at 110% at all times. One of the best things about the Raimi Spider-Man movies was how utterly fucked-up Tugboat would get during the final battle in each one; he'd be missing a lens on his mask and spitting up blood and he'd look like he's on death's door, and it does a TON for establishing tone, even when we know he's gonna make it out okay. I felt nothing for Black Panther whenever he was in any action sequence (with the exception of the ritualistic combat stuff) because his suit can tank basically anything for him. Though I will say, it works really well for Iron Man. That bit where Thanos was just bodying him faster than his suit could re-shape itself (before punctuating things with the stabbing) was tense as hell. In THAT case, it works. But I don't want Spider-Man wearing an Iron Man suit to fight a bunch of muggers, let alone Mysterio.

That was the one complaint I had about Homecoming. I kind of wish the Homecoming suit didn't have the onboard AI or any of Tony's other fancy gizmos. The animated eyes are great and it makes sense that there'd be some sort of system for Peter to swap the type of web he shoots, but I feel like even his regular suit has too many gadgets. The Iron Spider suit is great in the context of Infinity War but it needs to go and stay away before Spider-Man 2.

Like the entire point of Homecoming was how Peter needed to be his own hero and not "Iron Lad"; literally every single gadget in Homecoming, even the parachute, failed at some point and actively made it harder for Peter to Spider-Man properly. If they go back to "haha oh sweet Mr. Stark made me a cool new suit omg thank you Mr. Stark you're like the father I never had sir *slurp slurp*" then it'd totally take a dump on the entire point of Homecoming (I still think it's insane that we haven't had more than a vague reference to Uncle Ben this whole time). Infinity War is an event, so it gets a pass. But I'll be a little disappointed if Spider-Man 2 doesn't have Peter jailbreaking the suit in some way to make it more user-friendly. He doesn't need an AI lady to talk to, he doesn't need a voice modulator, he doesn't need a stealth drone. He needs webs, spidey-sense, and maybe spider-tracers and a spider-signal. But it should all be stuff he's made himself; he's a self-made prodigy, not anyone's ward or sidekick.

Why are you actively assuming that's not going to be the case when the writers already did exactly what you said should be done.

Shoulda rephrased, not "jailbroke" as in how he did it in the movie, I meant "jailbroke" as in gutted what he didn't need and implemented his own gadgets. Like, Peter Parker is supposed to be this science whiz prodigy but all he did was make the Mk 1 webshooters and manufacture the web fluid. So it feels kinda limited that he gets his REAL suit and gadgets from Iron Man when every other interpretation has shown him to be far more independent and self-reliant than that. It also kinda raises the question as to why he doesn't ask Tony for a loan or scholarship or something to help his struggling aunt, considering he's perfectly content to make him all manner of expensive-looking kit to go swing around in.

Because writers aren't going to ignore any angle they can use for drama and progression AKA peter needs a job and has to juggle some shit while being all omg this am suck why super hero so bullshit this isn't like dreams at all shitty job montage and marely making rent and pissing of MJ and freinds while "hard knock life" instrumental plays in the background, which gets 11 millions views in 24 hours on youtube

Just got back from Infinity War and I enjoyed it, but I can't remember what's the last time I watched comic book movie so I don't care for some characters that died, but some I do like [sp]Doctor Strange and Black Panther(Even though I haven't seen his movie)[/sp]. I think Thanos is my new favorite Marvel character.

Fuck.

Alright, my turn. I just came home from Infinity Wars. Gamora's death? That was heavy. I remember watching cr1tik4ls review of this movie and saying how you can legitimately sympathize with Thanos, and it's true. They did a phenomenal job for him. They've convinced me that Thanos believes he's doing what has to be done, and that it's right. But he hates what he has to do. He's not taunting Wanda in saying "I understand," but he genuinely understands her pain. Every other fading death, from the snap? Absolutely minimal impact, to me. I didn't care about a single one, because I know there's no consequence, I know that they'll come back by the end of this Thanos conflict. Spiderman has a sequel coming, and it's going to be about Peter Parker with Tom Holland. There's GotG Vol. 3. There's a whole other Avengers movie coming up. Of course all those characters aren't gone for good, because there's still half that battle left. Those characters didn't fade to death, just faded from existence in that plane. I haven't been following this thread so I don't know if you guys came up with/discussed this theory yet but I heard the theory that they are actually transported into the Soul Stone. When Thanos snapped, he went to an orange (hint, what colour is the Soul Stone?) area and saw Gamora. Perhaps that's where they go, and perhaps Gamora may return if this is the case? I'm glad to see a movie where the villain wins, though, and I'm already hype for Infinity War Pt. 2 (because let's face it, they dropped the title, but that's what it is).

Not really. Tony doesn't allow anyone but the people he really trusts to use his suits. This is the case in Iron Man 2, where it's pointed out by Black Widow that he must've programmed the Mark 2 so that Rhodey is able to use it. He did it because he was dying, and wanted to make sure that he has a successor. The same thing applies with Peter. He treats and protects him like he's the son he's never had (or at least, as the son of Iron Man) so that he can one day become his successor. That's the entire reason he creates an Iron Spider suit for him. As such, Tony all but replaces the role of Uncle Ben in the MCU. (also because it's been done two times before already in the movies, so I'm sure they wanted to do something fresh for the MCU) It also reverses the roles at the end of Infinity War, where Tony, as the replacement for Uncle Ben, has to watch Peter die. Furthermore, I think this is also why Banner is able to use the Hulkbuster. Tony actually trusts Banner, unlike the other Avengers.

I really do hate that "Tony Stark is basically Uncle Ben" thing, it completely emasculates Spider-Man (especially after the lifting scene in Homecoming, where Peter moves past all that hero worship stuff). I honestly wouldn't mind the fact that he's basically Iron Man's sidekick if he would just call him "Tony"; like, I honestly think the fact he says "please, sir" during his big death scene kinda hurt the moment. But that also implies that Tony didn't trust Hawkeye, Black Widow, or Cap after Avengers 1 (with Wanda and Falcon joining that list after Age of Ultron), but implicitly trusted a gung-ho child after hanging out with him for like 5 minutes. I can kinda get not trusting some of those (Widow and Hawkeye were with SHIELD, Wanda was a supervillain), but Cap helped him expose Fury's plans for the Tesseract, led the charge at the Battle of New York, and founded the Avengers with him after Coulson died. It's one of those perfectly fine suspension of disbelief things; Tony can't build everyone a suit for the same reason Hawkeye doesn't use a gun. But having him build a ton of kit for someone who already has top-tier superpowers and thus doesn't really need any armor makes the audience think about those questions that would otherwise be overlooked. It's just an unnecessary plot detail, no one ever walked out of a Spider-Man movie because they couldn't buy a kid (especially an exceptionally smart kid) making his own superhero costume. On a semi-related note, I'm wondering if they're gonna play Homecoming's ending totally straight in the next Avengers movie; assuming Aunt May both knows Peter's secret and doesn't get dusted, the confrontation between her and Tony is gonna be a fuckin' slobberknocker. I do hope they play it off as "oh he told her it was a Halloween costume" or something though. May can know Peter is Spidey, but Peter shouldn't KNOW May knows; that dynamic adds a TON of depth and nuance to both their characters, and having her be his cool hip working-class Alfred is completely and totally lame.

Tony hated Cap in his childhood, as he states in Civil War. I think with him, it's more of a pride thing than anything else.

Personally, I don't think the impact of the snap is necessarily lessened knowing there's sequels ahead. To me, it raises the stakes as to who or what will be lost getting them back; because you can almost guarantee that the deaths following the snap will permanent. It puts all the characters who got snapped in a "safe place" for the future MCU but everyone who remains is on the chopping block. Part of the superhero genre --from my perspective, at least --isn't about whether the or not the hero will succeed, but what they have to endure and sacrifice to win.

Would really make that scene at the end of Homecoming pointless. It's a cliffhanger meant to give a little hype for the sequel. Doing that would disappoint everyone who got that hype. Just like how in the Thor movies, Loki "dies" at the end of the 2nd film and pretends to be Odin, which is immediately solved at the start of Thor III, making the ending to Thor II really mediocre. It undermines the previous films. It would be just like Doctor Who seasons that end with him totally surrounded by enemies with death apparently near, and in the first 30 seconds of the season opening, he just gets away without issue.

I just hope they don't solve the Snappening the same way they did in the comics, with time essentially being rewound 24 hours, so that most of the characters don't even know what happened. It's fine for the comics, because you kind of don't want to overly burden the individual series beyond the big event, but for movies and TV, I hate when time travel resets dramatic moments, like in the Flash TV series or in later seasons of Fringe. Also, if they do that, it's going to seriously fuuuuuck any of the TV series, whether they reference it or not.

And more often than not, they don't really have to sacrifice that much. A character death, an actual one that's stuck with and matters, takes confidence and good writing. Any deaths in IWPt2 are going to be permanent, sure. And I feel like they'll have a heavier impact. Quicksilver? A small part of Ultron's worth of development, and while we feel for Wanda when he dies, that's as far as it goes. His death serves only as a forward for Wanda, instead of the universe as a whole. But I still stand that right now, the Snap's casualties didn't impact me at all. I didn't go "oh SHIT" at any of the characters fading, because I know they'll be back. Do that with characters we don't know will be back yet, and at the very least keep the cast list of IWPt2 locked tight so that you can even try to convince audience members that Iron Man would die. I would love that kind of gamble, with a year's worth of waiting to find out what's true or not. That's the downside of knowing what's coming out in the future. Fury contacting Captain Marvel is less "OH SHIT, CAPTAIN MARVEL IS COMING" and more of a "Ah, so that's how it connects." Side note, in the last scene where Thanos transports to that planet, I mistook it for Hawkeye's house, and thought he was going to watch his family vanish. That would have been extra intense.

I've honestly done a complete 180 from wanting Iron Man to die (thus redeeming him after Ultron and the Sokovia Accords) to wanting him to hang up the suit, have a kid with Pepper, and ride into the sunset. It'd completely tie up his arc; he started being Iron Man out of a sense of guilt that gradually developed into a martyr complex. He wanted to build a suit of armor around the world because he couldn't accept the idea that the world would be in good hands if he ever packed it in and stopped being Iron Man. Having him pass the torch to Spider-Man and Strange and Captain Marvel would be a HUGE character moment for Tony, and I think it would be way more impactful (not to mention, unexpected) than if they just killed him off. I honestly don't want anyone to die in the next one with the exception of maybe Cap. They killed off so many characters in Infinity War that doing it AGAIN would just feel kinda redundant, especially if the next one is gonna involve un-doing all of those deaths altogether. Let Tony retire and start a family, let Thor sit on the throne of a rebuilt Asgard, let Hawkeye go back to the farm with his wife and kids. If anyone has to die, I feel like the only scenario where that's at all satisfying from a thematic standpoint is if it's "the first Avenger" who bites the dust.

is Don Cheadle sick? he had an oddly thin face