[QUOTE=Flumbooze;47470372]I'm not saying it isn't a serious problem, all I'm saying is that for me, it got exploited way too much and genuinely made me dislike parts of the series. Also, let's be honest, the way he played it was a bit funny.
[sp]And for god's sake, he got offered all the possible help in the world. He was not working really hard on fixing his issues, he was working really hard on making his illusion liveable. Let's not pretend he didn't deny all the help he got offered.[/sp][/QUOTE]I actually have no idea how someone dealing with a mental issue makes you dislike parts of the series, nor what you mean by it being 'exploited' too much. For me it's one of the most interesting dynamics I've seen on television in a long time. If you honestly believe that Chuck isn't working hard to fix his issues then I don't think you are watching the same show as I am.
Have you ever had or been close to someone who's had a mental issue to the same degree as Chuck? Where they struggle to even leave the house? Because let me fill you in if you haven't - it's awful. You feel like you're glued to the ground. For many people with issues like Chuck has, just taking those first few steps to fix yourself is like swimming through vomit-enducing honey.
The way it's being portrayed in BCS is crazy accurate and to be honest part of me wishes Chuck wasn't such an asshole as I'd like to see a *nice* character have this sort of issue to shed some more light on it. I might be being a bit aggressive here (and if so I apologize), but people not treating mental issues as seriously as physical issues is an extremely close subject to me and I take it quite seriously.
You wouldn't refer to someone who's broken both of their legs as 'his condition was funny for a while' or as it 'getting on your nerves'.
[QUOTE=Freeze;47470542]I actually have no idea how someone dealing with a mental issue makes you dislike parts of the series, nor what you mean by it being 'exploited' too much. For me it's one of the most interesting dynamics I've seen on television in a long time. If you honestly believe that Chuck isn't working hard to fix his issues then I don't think you are watching the same show as I am.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe you're just watching the show from another perspective. He's working on his issues, but really he isn't solving any of the problems. Interesting dynamics? For me the last 4 episodes have just been the same over and over again with Chuck and that's why it makes me dislike parts of the series and it being exploited. Sure, you can show people the struggle and all, but let the struggle evolve.
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Have you ever had or been close to someone who's had a mental issue to the same degree as Chuck? Where they struggle to even leave the house? Because let me fill you in if you haven't - it's awful. You feel like you're glued to the ground. For many people with issues like Chuck has, just taking those first few steps to fix yourself is like swimming through vomit-enducing honey.[/QUOTE]
I'm quite lucky to be able to say I haven't. Personally, I can't grasp my head around Chuck's condition, as in... How do people even get it? [sp]Still, he was offered help from the hospital but doesn't want to believe it's a mental condition himself. Why not? Why not just accept the help if you know it'll make you feel better?[/sp]
[QUOTE]The way it's being portrayed in BCS is crazy accurate and to be honest part of me wishes Chuck wasn't such an asshole as I'd like to see a *nice* character have this sort of issue to shed some more light on it. I might be being a bit aggressive here (and if so I apologize), but people not treating mental issues as seriously as physical issues is an extremely close subject to me and I take it quite seriously.
You wouldn't refer to someone who's broken both of their legs as 'his condition was funny for a while' or as it 'getting on your nerves'.[/QUOTE]
You know, you're right, I wouldn't refer like that to someone who's broken both of their legs. But if that person tells everyone around him to leave him alone and then splints his legs himself, only to struggle just as much and goes on like that for X episodes? Hell, I'd probably be even more annoyed than I am now at Chuck.
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I'm sorry if I've offended you, but I hope you understand how hard it is for my to place myself in the feet of Chuck, especially since he denied all help.
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;47470595]I'm quite lucky to be able to say I haven't. Personally, I can't grasp my head around Chuck's condition, as in... How do people even get it? [sp]Still, he was offered help from the hospital but doesn't want to believe it's a mental condition himself. Why not? Why not just accept the help if you know it'll make you feel better?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Typically with illnesses like this, it's because the mind makes an incorrect connection. It'll "blame" when bad things happen to you on the wrong thing, if that makes any sense. Let's say you absolutely hate going the dentists after you got some teeth taken out. Next time you go to the dentist, the blank blue walls and sterile atmosphere that you've mentally connected will make you feel sick, even though those attributes are in no way to blame for the pain you got from your teeth being taken out.
[sp]Here's a thought - it's clear that Chuck is very worked up about any sort of illegal activities his brother takes part in. This is made even more clear when Jimmy states that Chuck get's worse every time something like that happens, such as with Jimmy's billboard publicity incident.
As a lawyer, Chuck is obviously going to use email and phones a lot. Where is he likely to first hear about any information about Jimmy's misdoings? That's right, his computer or phone. Put 2 and 2 together and the bad information coming from when he uses his electronic devices makes him feel sick from using them alone.[/sp]
I have no doubt that you'll have similar nonsensical connections. It may not be as extreme as refusing to go outside, but you'll almost definitely have some behavioural traits which resulted because of the same concept, even if you don't realise it.
[sp]When you ask why he'd deny the help[/sp] - well, funnily enough, I know somebody who thought they were allergic to chicken, stemming from a traumatising childhood experience where they saw a documentary on chickens being slaughtered. How would you feel if somebody told you that your hatred of eating bananas is a mental illness? So first, just believing you actually have a mental illness is difficult enough. On top of that, there's a large social stigma on people with mental issues as being dangerous and distanced from reality. Just accepting help from a mental hospital or psychologist can be a huge first step because it first demands that you accept you have a mental illness, which has many negative connotations. Now you're crazy, a delusional maniac!
[QUOTE=Flumbooze;47470595]Or maybe you're just watching the show from another perspective. He's working on his issues, but really he isn't solving any of the problems. Interesting dynamics? For me the last 4 episodes have just been the same over and over again with Chuck and that's why it makes me dislike parts of the series and it being exploited. Sure, you can show people the struggle and all, but let the struggle evolve.[/QUOTE]But the struggle has clearly evolved.
[sp]At the start of the series Chuck could literally do nothing. He was nearly passing out for going outside for like a minute. Now, in the most recent episode, Chuck has managed to stay outside and away from his house nearly without even breaking a sweat.
The dynamic I'm talking about is how Jimmy is dealing with Chuck. He's helping him and sometimes is almost losing his nerve with him until in the penultimate episode abandoning him, knowing full well Chuck has nowhere near fully recovered yet.[/sp]
On the topic of how he denied help. When you're stuck in a rut like this, it's real difficult to get out. Let me put physical terms to maybe make it clearer:
You've completely broken both your legs. If you just rest them and prop them up with pillows or whatever they don't hurt much, but obviously this also comes with the negative of literally not being able to walk. The only way to ever walk again is to go through rehabilitation to force them to heal, but this hurts *a lot*.
Except you don't know that. You (hypothetically somehow) don't how rehabilitation would help. People keep saying 'if you do rehabilitation it will help!' but whenever you do rehabilitation it just hurts. You end up just getting stuck in the thought train that rehabilitation will never work for you. People keep saying you need to go through rehabilitation but you just stop listening to them. Nobody ever tells you what will actually happen or explains it to you, they just keep telling you to do it. Eventually you do start to help yourself though because you're sick of living with this problem, which is what we see Chuck start to do throughout the series.
This is sort of what it's like for mental issues, and this is one of the worst aspects of our current medical society (which explains why this is hard to grasp for a lot of people). We don't treat mental health as seriously as physical health as a society right now. In schools we learn how the body works but not the mind.
This also probably explains why Chuck is adamant it's a physical issue and not a mental issue. We have to remember that this show is set in 2002 and Chuck is also relatively old. When he was a kid mental issues would have been faced with even more stigma than they are now - meaning he just wouldn't want to accept that that is now happening to him.
While it may not be explicitly said, Chuck going outside for those short periods I think was starting to show him coming around to accepting that it is a mental issue and that he *does* need help. [sp]If it wasn't for the argument at the end of the most recent episode I wouldn't have been surprised[/sp] to see Chuck end up going to therapy.
I hope this long ramble has maybe shed some light on the issue and maybe let you sympathise with Chuck's condition a bit more ([sp]even if he *is* an asshole for what he did to Jimmy[/sp]). And no, you haven't offended me at all, don't worry about it. I used to be pretty in the dark about mental issues as a whole too and I get it can be confusing when you've not either had a close one experience it or even actually experienced it yourself.
(oh and once again sorry for maybe coming off a little aggressively before, like I said it's an issue close to my heart so I probably got a little worked up over it)
EDIT: Oh and on the topic of 'how you get it' that's still a realm confusing to me too. It just sort of happens. Normally an event or a period of your life causes it. Hard to explain. Tommy explained it pretty well.
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Let me put physical terms to maybe make it clearer:
You've completely broken both your legs. If you just rest them and prop them up with pillows or whatever they don't hurt much, but obviously this also comes with the negative of literally not being able to walk. The only way to ever walk again is to go through rehabilitation to force them to heal, but this hurts *a lot*.
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Should have bargained harder with Tuco, I'm willing to bet he'd let you off with just one broken leg.
[sp]jimmy kills chuck, tuco falls in love with mrs kettlemen, howard is embezzling money from hhm[/sp]
My season 2 predictions
[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;47468756]It airs at 10PM on the East coast in the US, and I think that's the first place it airs in the world. I'm not super familiar with time zones, but I believe 10PM East-coast time is around 5AM UK time.[/QUOTE]
It's 3 am UK time, iirc.
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[QUOTE=Freeze;47470542]I actually have no idea how someone dealing with a mental issue makes you dislike parts of the series, nor what you mean by it being 'exploited' too much. For me it's one of the most interesting dynamics I've seen on television in a long time. If you honestly believe that Chuck isn't working hard to fix his issues then I don't think you are watching the same show as I am.
Have you ever had or been close to someone who's had a mental issue to the same degree as Chuck? Where they struggle to even leave the house? Because let me fill you in if you haven't - it's awful. You feel like you're glued to the ground. For many people with issues like Chuck has, just taking those first few steps to fix yourself is like swimming through vomit-enducing honey.
The way it's being portrayed in BCS is crazy accurate and to be honest part of me wishes Chuck wasn't such an asshole as I'd like to see a *nice* character have this sort of issue to shed some more light on it. I might be being a bit aggressive here (and if so I apologize), but people not treating mental issues as seriously as physical issues is an extremely close subject to me and I take it quite seriously.
You wouldn't refer to someone who's broken both of their legs as 'his condition was funny for a while' or as it 'getting on your nerves'.[/QUOTE]
He meant it as a plot device. Stop turning it into some personal issue, it's a fucking TV show.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47471210][sp]jimmy kills chuck, tuco falls in love with mrs kettlemen, howard is embezzling money from hhm[/sp]
My season 2 predictions[/QUOTE]
[sp]I think we're all a little in love with Mrs. Kettleman.[/sp]
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