As a finale I didn't mind the latest episode.
[sp]I'm more conflicted about Jimmy's decision. Sure, cons are something he enjoys and visiting his friend reminded him that. But an opportunity like that? It seemed to me like he would still take it.[/sp]
It was a very calm episode and still i liked it as a season finale.
[QUOTE=Nanamil;47476450]It was a very calm episode and still i liked it as a season [b]finally[/b].[/QUOTE]
how long have you been waiting for? :v:
[editline]7th April 2015[/editline]
the only thing that seemed weird to me was [sp]marco's sudden heart attack thing, it just feels a bit, i dunno, out of place[/sp]
[QUOTE=geogzm;47476477]how long have you been waiting for? :v:
[editline]7th April 2015[/editline]
the only thing that seemed weird to me was [sp]marco's sudden heart attack thing, it just feels a bit, i dunno, out of place[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]He was probably a bit too excited to pull off the scam and the anticipation made him have a heart attack as soon as he heard the howling, plus he's not exactly the healthiest man.[/sp]
[QUOTE=geogzm;47476477]how long have you been waiting for? :v:
[editline]7th April 2015[/editline]
the only thing that seemed weird to me was [sp]marco's sudden heart attack thing, it just feels a bit, i dunno, out of place[/sp][/QUOTE]
not really, during the episode you can see him [sp]coughing and clutching at his chest[/sp] in several different moments, last one before [sp]he dies.[/sp]
to be honest, i kinda expected it
The only thing that bugged me, was the pacing of the finale scene. [sp]They wrapped in under 3 minutes the exact point where Jimmy "breaks", which is weird considering that there was more time to squeeze (by shorting the montage or cutting few scenes out). It was a huge moment that seemingly came out of blue. He stops out of nowhere and decides to go back.
Which wouldn't be the first time, because Gus in End Times did the exact same thing, when walking to his car.[/sp]
I liked the finale a lot. You can think of episode 9 as the more finishing episode, and episode 10 as a prequel to season 2.
(kind of like GoT)
It opens up a lot of opportunities for season 2 imo
Although now that I think about the finale scene, I think it was just a dot in the question mark that the entire episode was. [sp]Jimmy goes to Chicago to remind himself who he really is. The decision he makes at the parking lot is the logical conclusion of the previous 40 minutes. He came to terms that he IS Slippin' Jimmy and while he believes he can change, he doesn't have to - Chuck doesn't want him either way. Don't know what's the deal with Kim, but probably he wasn't thinking about her at the moment. He enjoys cons, he does them for the thrills, and by being a "criminal lawyer" he can also acquire enormous sums of money, which he already tasted. [/sp]
I still think it could've been executed better, but I liked the episode nonetheless. The entire season went through the Game of Thrones route with episode 9 being the heartbroker-jawdropper and last episode being the aftermath. I think I like it better than cliffhangering of Breaking Bad.
[QUOTE=Joz;47476798]The only thing that bugged me, was the pacing of the finale scene. [sp]They wrapped in under 3 minutes the exact point where Jimmy "breaks", which is weird considering that there was more time to squeeze (by shorting the montage or cutting few scenes out). It was a huge moment that seemingly came out of blue. He stops out of nowhere and decides to go back.
Which wouldn't be the first time, because Gus in End Times did the exact same thing, when walking to his car.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]He felt the ring, and realized Chuck was right/he liked being somewhat bad. He just thought of how much fun he had with Marco, and the ring seemed to make him change his mind.[/sp]
[sp]Honestly, the Marco subplot felt kinda corny and predictable. Couldn't bring myself to care too much about his death when I barely got to know him over the course of an episode and he wasn't that likable.[/sp]
[sp]I loved the look on Jimmy's face in that final scene when he was driving away.[/sp] He looked so wild and free, if only for a moment.
The last scene was pretty cool
That was a good finale I think. Since we know how BCS ends and nobody really did with BB we have to accept that every episode will simply push Jimmy towards what we know is his final destination, and this did that. Now we wait for Season 2 and hope he dips his feet in the Criminal Underworld a bit.
[QUOTE=Marden;47476095]As a finale I didn't mind the latest episode.
[sp]I'm more conflicted about Jimmy's decision. Sure, cons are something he enjoys and visiting his friend reminded him that. But an opportunity like that? It seemed to me like he would still take it.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Hopefully we'll get more on that next season, [sp]it seemed so out of character. He's wanted money and success for the whole season, even for his dirtier side a deal like that seems like a dream come true. The change was so sudden and right now I have a lot less sympathy for him as a character. He had an easy chance of honest success but he chose for his life to go downhill.[/sp]
[sp]I feel sorry for Kim.I really like her. Also considering what we know, his decission was the wrong one which makes it even harder to watch.[/sp]
that montage was beautiful
[sp]seeing jimmy completely snap was so sad to me
also jimmy apologizing to hamlin for calling him a fucker? out of character[/sp]
there are more black bars in this thread than japanese porn jesus christ
I'm glad the season didn't end on a cliff hanger
[sp]But the reaction of Kim is unresolved
Also I think Saul wouldn't drive off like that without anything in mind. Basically just not an "in your face" cliffhanger[/sp]
[QUOTE=Swiket;47476869][sp]Honestly, the Marco subplot felt kinda corny and predictable. Couldn't bring myself to care too much about his death when I barely got to know him over the course of an episode and he wasn't that likable.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Maybe it was less of a character to get to know but rather a lesson to teach Jimmy what life can turn out to be. Marco was a con artist at heart, and he didn't enjoy his life working at a legitimate practice. His unhappiness and untimely (or timely) death showed Jimmy that maybe 'doing the right thing' isn't for everyone and maybe it is better to live life on the edge and get large sums of cash than some steady work at some firm he doesn't care about. It's almost as if Jimmy's entire motivation of becoming a legit lawyer died when Chuck said fuck off, so all of that reinforcement for doing the right thing evaporated since the goal of finally working with his bro and redeeming himself was destroyed by Chuck's stubborness/jealousy. I guess Marco's death showed him what he really enjoys in life, gave him new motivation. [/sp]
[sp]Yeah, I think he finally realized that whenever he tries doing the good thing, it gets fucked up somehow - generally by things out of his control. His entire motivation was to get clean for Chuck, to impress Chuck, to be like Chuck. He trusted and respected Chuck. Both as a lawyer and brother. When the thing with Chuck comes to a head, he realizes he has nothing to be straight edge for.[/sp]
I still don't understand why he didn't [sp]just take the partnership and then break bad after he is rich.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;47479605]I still don't understand why he didn't just take the partnership and then break bad after he is rich.[/QUOTE]
would be way harder to do something like that if he became a respected member at a firm / a big name.
to draw a comparison to walt one of the reason he broke bad was because he missed out on the opportunity to become someone famous and respected with his friend at gray matter and instead was a school teacher.
[QUOTE=Swiket;47476869][sp]Honestly, the Marco subplot felt kinda corny and predictable. Couldn't bring myself to care too much about his death when I barely got to know him over the course of an episode and he wasn't that likable.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]he had a John Candy kind of vibe.
Also what do you guys think mike was talking about on the phone in the last scene?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;47479605]I still don't understand why he didn't just take the partnership and then break bad after he is rich.[/QUOTE]
He and Walter are similar when it comes to things like "Go big or go home" I think :v:
[QUOTE=Cpn Crunch21;47478383][sp]Maybe it was less of a character to get to know but rather a lesson to teach Jimmy what life can turn out to be. Marco was a con artist at heart, and he didn't enjoy his life working at a legitimate practice. His unhappiness and untimely (or timely) death showed Jimmy that maybe 'doing the right thing' isn't for everyone and maybe it is better to live life on the edge and get large sums of cash than some steady work at some firm he doesn't care about. It's almost as if Jimmy's entire motivation of becoming a legit lawyer died when Chuck said fuck off, so all of that reinforcement for doing the right thing evaporated since the goal of finally working with his bro and redeeming himself was destroyed by Chuck's stubborness/jealousy. I guess Marco's death showed him what he really enjoys in life, gave him new motivation. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]he realized that he only ever got started in law because Chuck sort of forced him to after the Chicago sunroof incident. Now that Chuck's influence is gone he really doesn't see a Redon to keep practicing law. And he might've stayed in Chicago, but Marco died so he has no real purpose there anymore either. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Cornish;47477816]that montage was beautiful
[sp]seeing jimmy completely snap was so sad to me
also jimmy apologizing to hamlin for calling him a fucker? out of character[/sp]
there are more black bars in this thread than japanese porn jesus christ[/QUOTE]
[sp]How? Hamlin did absolutely nothing wrong. Pretty much every problem Jimmy has with him was caused by Chuck.[/sp]
I liked Marco [sp]and felt a bit sad when he died[/sp], but I'm a massive pussy so there you go.
We're expecting Carnston and A Paul in this serious right? I'm sure I read in an interview with Gilligan recently....sorry if this has been mentioned in this thread but its soooo long.
[QUOTE=Marden;47476095]As a finale I didn't mind the latest episode.
[sp]I'm more conflicted about Jimmy's decision. Sure, cons are something he enjoys and visiting his friend reminded him that. But an opportunity like that? It seemed to me like he would still take it.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Maybe we just assumed he was the kind of guy that always tries to do the right thing? It really seems like he was always about getting his own way and conning suckers out of what he can, until he got pinched and was almost labeled a sex offender which scared him into going straight for a while.
Now he realizes "well fuck this, this didn't work from the beginning" since when he tried to go straight he only ended up in a mail room and as a failed lawyer trying to do good for 10 years (AFTER he got a law degree because of all that). Him going straight never did work out, and he realizes that, hence the "I'm never going to let it get in my way again".
He's not fucking around anymore, he's in it to get what he can for him and him alone, plus now he's got decent knowledge of the law and how it works. What does he really have to loose at this point?[/sp]
Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=LSK;47480814][sp]Maybe we just assumed he was the kind of guy that always tries to do the right thing? It really seems like he was always about getting his own way and conning suckers out of what he can, until he got pinched and was almost labeled a sex offender which scared him into going straight for a while.
Now he realizes "well fuck this, this didn't work from the beginning" since when he tried to go straight he only ended up in a mail room and as a failed lawyer trying to do good for 10 years (AFTER he got a law degree because of all that). Him going straight never did work out, and he realizes that, hence the "I'm never going to let it get in my way again".
He's not fucking around anymore, he's in it to get what he can for him and him alone, plus now he's got decent knowledge of the law and how it works. What does he really have to loose at this point?[/sp]
Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]
[sp]I get what you are saying. But last episode when Chuck told him he's not a real lawyer, the fact he himself discovered the huge fraud at the nursing home and he cared for most of his clients seemed like he would gladly take the position at other law firm to finally get out of his brother's shadow. I think my main issue is that he didn't even go to the meeting and hear the offer. It's a setup for next season and I hope they'll manage to sell me the idea Jimmy wants to break bad.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Marden;47480899][sp]I get what you are saying. But last episode when Chuck told him he's not a real lawyer, the fact he himself discovered the huge fraud at the nursing home and he cared for most of his clients seemed like he would gladly take the position at other law firm to finally get out of his brother's shadow. I think my main issue is that he didn't even go to the meeting and hear the offer. It's a setup for next season and I hope they'll manage to sell me the idea Jimmy wants to break bad.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] I think that the trip to Chicago reminded him that he never really wanted to be a lawyer in the first place, he was just trying to impress his brother the whole time, and now without his brother he has no reason to keep practicing law.[/sp]
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