[QUOTE=Starpluck;49991333]Does anyone else read spoiler tags in whispers?[/QUOTE]
[sp] NO, NOT REALLY [/sp]
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49990753]Does anyone find it weird how Jimmy can be so rude and [sp]impulsively walk-out of a scheduled job offer from Davis & Maine on a whim, make HH&M look extremely look bad for vouching for Jimmy and being present at the meeting, make Jimmy look bad— all with no explanation in the most arrogant and fireable way possible, and still get the job?
I also found it interesting to see "good guy" Todd who was paraded as the polar opposite of Howard, have his evil side come out[/sp][/QUOTE]
Wait who? I Googled "todd better call saul" and all I can find is the bearded dude that pissed in the same bathroom as Jimmy in season one. Also [sp]I feel like we'll be seeing the repercussions of Jimmy walking out soon enough.[/sp]
I don't know where I got "Todd"— I meant whoever is [sp]Jimmy's new boss[/sp]
man though i hate this whole tRansfOrmation inTo SAUL!!~~ bullshit i see in a lot of bcs related discussions
also read some unironical post on reddit about kim's transition into giselle lmfao wtf
[QUOTE=Saturn V;49997792]man though i hate this whole tRansfOrmation inTo SAUL!!~~ bullshit i see in a lot of bcs related discussions
also read some unironical post on reddit about kim's transition into giselle lmfao wtf[/QUOTE]
A lot of people are also convinced that characters who don't appear on Breaking Bad (see: Chuck, Kim, Nacho)[I]are bound to die[/I] where a multitude of things could have happened outside of death.
I love how Mike's story is becoming a bigger part of the show and that it's progressing without Jimmy's involvement. Who would have guessed that this nameless cleaner would become important enough to be the secondary protagonist of a spin-off? (BrBa season 2 spoilers, of course.)
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNpboSz_6o[/media]
[QUOTE=TectoImprov;49998945]A lot of people are also convinced that characters who don't appear on Breaking Bad (see: Chuck, Kim, Nacho)[I]are bound to die[/I] where a multitude of things could have happened outside of death.[/QUOTE]
Dunno about the others but it's certainly possible that Nacho dies, given his line of work and who he answers to.
[QUOTE=TectoImprov;49998945]A lot of people are also convinced that characters who don't appear on Breaking Bad (see: Chuck, Kim, Nacho)[I]are bound to die[/I] where a multitude of things could have happened outside of death.[/QUOTE]
[sp]tbh though in the case of Nacho he is really set up to likely die because the way he has fucked with the Salamancas.[/sp]
Despite Kim being a potential obstruction and buzzkill for Jimmy's innate and true desires, I still like her as a character more than Skyler.
I am not sure how disliking Skyler on the basis of her flippant annoyance can be considered misogynistic. I believe everyone who hated Skyler— can actually respect Kim— even though they are both supporting female characters intended to thwart the main-leading character's role and mischievous actions.
Kim displays that you can still be opposed the male character's main role and be liked— unlike Skyler— who was over the top and for some reason a misogyny trap for those who didn't like her.
Skyler White's actor's bizarre accusation:
[quote=Anna Gunn/Skyler White]"[B]I finally realized that most people's hatred of Skyler had little to do with me and a lot to do with their own perception of women[/B] and wives," Gunn concluded. "[B]Because Skyler didn't conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female[/B], she had become a kind of Rorschach test for society, a measure of our attitudes toward gender."[/quote]
Kim just proves Skyler's actor to be flat out wrong.
[QUOTE=matt000024;49999025][sp]tbh though in the case of Nacho he is really set up to likely die because the way he has fucked with the Salamancas.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I get the feeling that [sp]Gus will offer Mike safety, but not Nacho because he's worked too closely with the Salamancas.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49999029]Despite Kim being a potential obstruction and buzzkill for Jimmy's innate and true desires, I still like her as a character more than Skyler.
I am not sure how disliking Skyler on the basis of her flippant annoyance can be considered misogynistic. I believe everyone who hated Skyler— can actually respect Kim— even though they are both supporting female characters intended to thwart the main-leading character's role and mischievous actions.
Kim displays that you can still be opposed the male character's main role and be liked— unlike Skyler— who was over the top and for some reason a misogyny trap for those who didn't like her.
Skyler White's actor's bizarre accusation:
[QUOTE]"I finally realized that most people's hatred of Skyler had little to do with me and a lot to do with their own perception of women and wives," Gunn concluded. "Because Skyler didn't conform to a comfortable ideal of the archetypical female, she had become a kind of Rorschach test for society, a measure of our attitudes toward gender."[/QUOTE]
Kim just proves Skyler's actor to be flat out wrong.[/QUOTE]
Am I the only one that thinks that quote from Anna Gunn isn't just wrong but kind of insulting to critics and a little sexist? Person doesn't like female character "that's sexist" is 1. insulting to people that had genuine critique of the character and 2. an absolute double standard since nobody would say criticism of a male character was because he "didn't conform to "a comfortable ideal of the archetypical" male. Nobody in BB or BCS conforms to any archetype, everyone's a complex and well written character, that's one of the many reason why both shows have relieved critical acclaim.
My criticism of Skylar is simply how she was written: she felt 100% plot device, Kim is her own complex and well written character that doesn't behave in such a way that makes her actions an obvious plot device.
But then I know my opinions are pretty unpopular since so far I prefer BCS
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49999029]Skyler White's actor's bizarre accusation:
Kim just proves Skyler's actor to be flat out wrong.[/QUOTE]
People hated Skyler because that's exactly how she was written for the first four seasons. That was her role, the nagging wife neglecting her husband's needs, the IFT, the constant accusations and hypocrisy. That's the precise reason why people sided with Walt for all that time - he's the protagonist, if we're not siding with him then he fails at the one role he's got.
It was the end of fourth and both fifth seasons that tried to shift the imbalance between the two, and for some it did - when they've seen through Walt's character. I didn't and I don't mind it.
Her full op-ed to the New York Times is pretty ridiculous: [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html[/URL]
[quote]My character, to judge from the popularity of Web sites and Facebook pages devoted to [B]hating her, has become a flash point for many people’s feelings about strong, nonsubmissive, ill-treated women[/B]. [/quote]
Not at all— see Kim Wexler. She is a strong, non-submissive and ill-treated woman. Yet no one gives her shit.
[quote]But I was unprepared for the vitriolic response she inspired. [B]Thousands of people also “liked” the Facebook page “I Hate Skyler White.”[/B][/quote]
And this matters, why?
She then brings up some crude posts you'd find on 4chan— one calling her a bitch— and another wishing to kill Anna Gunn. But in the deep cesspool of all internet message-boards, you'd find much worse for any actor— irrespective of their gender.
[editline]24th March 2016[/editline]
I get the impression that Anna Gunn was extraordinarily upset she wasn't a fan-favorite and felt compelled to pen an article to the New York Times accusing everyone of sexism— in order to validate herself as an actor and alleviate herself from the fact that she's possibly playing one of the shittiest possible characters.
To be fair, Skyler did attract more hate than Kim because she was more of an obstacle to the protagonist (and she had more reason to be). Kim's written as a more amiable character who isn't just there to nag Jimmy, and she even takes part in his shenanigans to an extent.
The worst of Kim's "shenanigans" is getting free alcohol. The moment Jimmy mentions that he [sp]fabricated evidence[/sp] she almost immediately [sp]cut ties completely with Jimmy[/sp]. When Jimmy tries to [sp]tap her foot during the meeting at HH&M, she just rejects him off— signalling her obstacle to his aspirations.[/sp] She doesn't agree with that shit, and free booze is as far as she will go.
Skyler was made to be hated from the start, but Anna doesn't need to go around dismissing it as misogynist or take "I hate Skyler White" so damn personally.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49999404]Her full op-ed to the New York Times is pretty ridiculous: [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html[/URL]
Not at all— see Kim Wexler. She is a strong, non-submissive and ill-treated woman. Yet no one gives her shit.
And this matters, why?
She then brings up some crude posts you'd find on 4chan— one calling her a bitch— and another wishing to kill Anna Gunn. But in the deep cesspool of all internet message-boards, you'd find much worse for any actor— irrespective of their gender.
[editline]24th March 2016[/editline]
I get the impression that Anna Gunn was extraordinarily upset she wasn't a fan-favorite and felt compelled to pen an article to the New York Times accusing everyone of sexism— in order to validate herself as an actor and alleviate herself from the fact that she's possibly playing one of the shittiest possible characters.[/QUOTE]
God damn that's some of the stupidest shit i've ever read, like she takes the hatred of Skyler as a character as a personal insult and feels like she has to explain it, the easiest way for her to do that is 'hurr durr misogyny'
[QUOTE=TectoImprov;49998945]A lot of people are also convinced that characters who don't appear on Breaking Bad (see: Chuck, Kim, Nacho)[I]are bound to die[/I] where a multitude of things could have happened outside of death.[/QUOTE]
Killing off Chuck doesn't sound like such a bad idea to me
[editline]25th March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49999484]The worst of Kim's "shenanigans" is getting free alcohol. The moment Jimmy mentions that he [sp]fabricated evidence[/sp] she almost immediately [sp]cut ties completely with Jimmy[/sp]. When Jimmy tries to [sp]tap her foot during the meeting at HH&M, she just rejects him off— signalling her obstacle to his aspirations.[/sp] She doesn't agree with that shit, and free booze is as far as she will go.
Skyler was made to be hated from the start, but Anna doesn't need to go around dismissing it as misogynist or take "I hate Skyler White" so damn personally.[/QUOTE]
I think it's also got a lot to do with how we're seeing more of Kim's story and her own personal situations. Skyler's whole character kind of circled around being Walt's wife and all of her subplots were pretty closely connected to Walt's story. She was like a domestic version of Hank.
I didn't hate Skyler because when you look at it objectively, she was usually right until she started doing her own shady shit. She was just mean about stuff and never explained it, which is why Junior hated her so much for being such a dick to Walt.
In a lot of ways that part of Breaking Bad had a lot to do with gender roles and what's expected of people in marriage. Skyler took advantage of her role as a housewife at times, and in a way she's almost as influential as Walt. The show demonstrated how people can be evil in private and in public. Dismissing Skyler as a poorly written character is a bad idea, and so is labeling her critics as sexist.
I've forgotten a lot of examples that back this stuff up, and I think maybe I'll write a critical essay on the topic once I've got some free time to really gather these thoughts (since, as you may tell, I didn't write any of this in an organized way)
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;49999453]To be fair, Skyler did attract more hate than Kim because she was more of an obstacle to the protagonist (and she had more reason to be). Kim's written as a more amiable character who isn't just there to nag Jimmy, and she even takes part in his shenanigans to an extent.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly the point. All the hatred comes from narrative construction. Remember that part in this season of Better Call Saul when Kim [sp]tells Jimmy not to run the commercial, warns him and is basically mad at him before the shit hits the fan?[/sp] Some people on the internet started going against her, despite the fact she was right, had the right motivations and wasn't mistaken - they did it because she stood in the opposition to protagonist on one issue.
kim is just a really likable character (and a strong woman)
skylar wasn't a likable character and wasnt particularly strong either (she was more of walts nagging hostage). that's the big difference.
[t]https://tribzap2it.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/better-call-saul-cousins-breaking-bad1.png?w=769&h=432[/t]
Who else here absolutely [B][I]loves[/I][/B] these boots? They're like the epitome of ultimate badassery.
Edit: go away funny guys.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49999404]Her full op-ed to the New York Times is pretty ridiculous: [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/opinion/i-have-a-character-issue.html[/URL]
Not at all— see Kim Wexler. She is a strong, non-submissive and ill-treated woman. Yet no one gives her shit.
And this matters, why?
She then brings up some crude posts you'd find on 4chan— one calling her a bitch— and another wishing to kill Anna Gunn. But in the deep cesspool of all internet message-boards, you'd find much worse for any actor— irrespective of their gender.
[editline]24th March 2016[/editline]
I get the impression that Anna Gunn was extraordinarily upset she wasn't a fan-favorite and felt compelled to pen an article to the New York Times accusing everyone of sexism— in order to validate herself as an actor and alleviate herself from the fact that she's possibly playing one of the shittiest possible characters.[/QUOTE]
I'm currently re-watching BB with my girlfriend since she hasn't seen it yet, and we're currently at mid-season 4. And she was completely baffled by the massive double standard of "We can't your drug money, Walt. But I don't have a single complaint about using said money to pay my sister's bills for her husband's recovery!". If anything, there's that.
I actually found it satisfying when (spoilers for both shows) [sp]the twins threatened Mike because I knew he'd go on to kill one of them. I like how it's progressed. At that point in BrBa we briefly saw him as the hired "cleaner" disposing of the evidence and it was actually quite funny, but now we know behind the blank expression it was personal. It gives a whole new meaning to that scene. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;49999007]I love how Mike's story is becoming a bigger part of the show and that it's progressing without Jimmy's involvement. Who would have guessed that this nameless cleaner would become important enough to be the secondary protagonist of a spin-off? (BrBa season 2 spoilers, of course.)
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNpboSz_6o[/media][/QUOTE]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ283GJITWs[/media]
To know that and that Mike is such a big character in BrBa and BCS. Wow.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;50005419][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ283GJITWs[/media]
To know that and that Mike is such a big character in BrBa and BCS. Wow.[/QUOTE]
shit that was painful like watching a friend leave.
Just had my mind blown by this IMDB trivia.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/3VQ4caC.jpg[/img]
god dammit this show is so fucking good
i've never been so completely entranced by every moment like i am with this show, even in an episode with no "action"
Awesome episode. [sp]Was that Odenkirk as the father in the beginning? If not then he really nailed the mannerisms. The soundtrack with Kim and the card also reminded me a lot of Dave Porter's music for BB, hope there's more of it. Oh yeah, and the best montage so far btw.[/sp]
When [sp]Jimmy began recording his answering machine and stopped and started recording again[/sp] I totally expected him to [sp]say Saul Goodman[/sp] instead.
I loved [sp]the suit montage[/sp]
[QUOTE=matt000024;50024461]When [sp]I totally expected him to [sp]say Saul Goodman[/sp] instead.[/QUOTE]
They're probably going to dedicate an entire episode to that part being figured out
I also liked how [sp]his choice in clothing was distinctly more elaborate and colorful than in Breaking Bad, it seems like he ended up striking a nice balance between flashy and professional[/sp]
A lot happened in this episode, it looks like [sp] Jimmy's finally getting into law independently, and he really felt like Saul in the first scene with Mike.[/sp]
Plus the inflatables were a nice subtle reminder of the inflatable statue of Liberty at his BB office
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