I just can't bring myself to hate him, his character is so well developed I somewhat understand everything he does, even some certain irrational events in season 5 ..
it's a hate/love thing
one one hand walt has become such a piece of shit that i wouldn't want to be anywhere near him
on the other hand bryan cranston is so fuckin amazing at doing the role that i can't help but love him
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;40582774]you're supposed to hate Walt by the end[/QUOTE]
I guess but then wouldn't that make the finale less impactful? I mean the guy you hate wins. You don't feel satisfied the bad guy won. Again, this could all be the point, but I just think it makes the finale weaker because of it.
[QUOTE=Coble;40583076]I guess but then wouldn't that make the finale less impactful? I mean the guy you hate wins. You don't feel satisfied the bad guy won. Again, this could all be the point, but I just think it makes the finale weaker because of it.[/QUOTE]
You aren't quite supposed to identify against Walt by Face Off. He's still the lesser evil.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;40583562]You aren't quite supposed to identify against Walt by Face Off. He's still the lesser evil.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that's necessarily true. I'm in the process of watching the Season 5 pilot. I got to say, the longer the episode goes on, the more it seems Walt is not the lesser of two evils.
[QUOTE=Coble;40583742]I don't think that's necessarily true. I'm in the process of watching the Season 5 pilot. I got to say, the longer the episode goes on, the more it seems Walt is not the lesser of two evils.[/QUOTE]
that's season 5 though. After Face off.
i ate 2 burritos and i started [i]shitting bad[/i]
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;40583815]that's season 5 though. After Face off.[/QUOTE]
I had these feelings before Season 5, as I said in the above posts about why I found the finale unsatisfying.
[QUOTE=Coble;40583900]I had these feelings before Season 5, as I said in the above posts about why I found the finale unsatisfying.[/QUOTE]
Okay but I think you missed a few things if you really think Gus is preferable to Walt at that time.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;40583964]Okay but I think you missed a few things if you really think Gus is preferable to Walt at that time.[/QUOTE]
Not really though, I can see where hes coming from.
Gus was coming at it from a purely business stand point - Walter was a volatile liability who was willing to kill to meet his own selfish ends. He gave him many chances to redeem himself and Walt (OR Jesse) fucked it up every time.
He was willing to forgive Jesse though because he saw he was young and impressionable and was just being led astray by Walt
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;40584400]Not really though, I can see where hes coming from.
Gus was coming at it from a purely business stand point - Walter was a volatile liability who was willing to kill to meet his own selfish ends. He gave him many chances to redeem himself and Walt (OR Jesse) fucked it up every time.
He was willing to forgive Jesse though because he saw he was young and impressionable and was just being led astray by Walt[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. [sp]Even his darker sides such as the cartel murder were about revenge. After they ruthlessly killed his friend. The whole him using childs is questionable. He probably didn't know about it, and the death of the kid was probably something Gus never intended.
He is also able to protect Walt and Hank (even in a backwards way) and him killing one of his men, was built up anger, but I saw it more as a, "I do everything for you, and this is how you repay me?" It was an out of character moment. In my opinion at least. Hell even think about how he prepared everything in case one of his men got injured in the Cartel mission. Showed he cared for his men[/sp]
[sp]Box Cutter was totally in character. You missed the point. The dude was seen at the crime scene. It was pure business. That's what Gus is, business with limited moral restrictions. That's not a good guy. Being able to justify your actions pragmatically isn't the same as morally. Also the doctor's after the cartel were for himself. He drank poison, remember?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;40584908][sp]Box Cutter was totally in character. You missed the point. The dude was seen at the crime scene. It was pure business. That's what Gus is, business with limited moral restrictions. That's not a good guy. Being able to justify your actions pragmatically isn't the same as morally. Also the doctor's after the cartel were for himself. He drank poison, remember?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yes. However, he hesitates before drinking, probably hoping that the cartel boss would drink first and he could drink later. But he prepared for the eventuality. The doctor wasn't just for himself, otherwise why would they have all their blood types and every bit of medical information on Jesse? He prepared for something going wrong.
Also I see what you mean about box cutter.
However, don't forget who we are comparing Gus to. Walter. Walter has killed, and has manipulated Jesse into doing his bidding. You probably see more bad actions from Walter over the series than you do with Gus.[/sp]
[sp] forgot he had that stuff but drinking the poison was definitely part of the plan all along, and caring for his men is still not a sign of morals. Yes, you see more of Walt's stuff, but Gus's is worse at that point, and more frequent from when the character is actually introduced. Walt at that point basically only killed when his life depended on it, except with letting Jane die[/sp]
[sp]Gus was really all about business. He had his empire and he wanted the best meth cook. Walt started to show signs he wanted to be more in charge and Gus didn't like that at all. So he started to influence Jesse. Walt couldn't get over this because of his nature and it all went to shit. Walt could have settled for less which was still a lot but because of his nature others suffered. That being said I'm sure the first chance he got Gus would kill both Walt and Jesse. Well, maybe not Jesse if he made him his pawn.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Marden;40585716][sp]Gus was really all about business. He had his empire and he wanted the best meth cook. Walt started to show signs he wanted to be more in charge and Gus didn't like that at all. So he started to influence Jesse. Walt couldn't get over this because of his nature and it all went to shit. Walt could have settled for less which was still a lot but because of his nature others suffered. That being said I'm sure the first chance he got Gus would kill both Walt and Jesse. Well, maybe not Jesse if he made him his pawn.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]It was obvious that Gus wanted to get rid of Walt because he was bad for business, he let his emotions get in the way of the meth business and caused Gus some major headaches (killing his dealers, getting rid of Gale, Walt's greed, acting irrationally etc.). Jesse could be swayed though and that's why he was put to work with Mike (where he proves his worth to Gus who thought he was another junkie). By the end of Walt/Gus' working relationship it was just a case of keeping their enemies, namely each other, closer.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;40582774]you're supposed to hate Walt by the end[/QUOTE]
By the end of season 4 I saw him as [sp]doing bad things with good intentions.[/sp]
By the end of 5 [sp]he's doing bad things all for himself and his ego now.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Marden;40585716][sp]Gus was really all about business. He had his empire and he wanted the best meth cook. Walt started to show signs he wanted to be more in charge and Gus didn't like that at all. So he started to influence Jesse. Walt couldn't get over this because of his nature and it all went to shit. Walt could have settled for less which was still a lot but because of his nature others suffered. That being said I'm sure the first chance he got Gus would kill both Walt and Jesse. Well, maybe not Jesse if he made him his pawn.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Gus was also hoping that Jesse would learn Walt's method before killing Walt. [/sp]
I have not watched a single episode of Breaking Bad, and Summer is closing in, should I watch it?
[QUOTE=rikimaru6811;40593319]I have not watched a single episode of Breaking Bad, and Summer is closing in, should I watch it?[/QUOTE]
nope, that would be a complete waste of time.
[editline]10th May 2013[/editline]
seriously don't do it
[QUOTE=rikimaru6811;40593319]I have not watched a single episode of Breaking Bad, and Summer is closing in, should I watch it?[/QUOTE]
why would you? just don't do it its a terrible idea
breaking bad
more like
bad
tbh i kinda liked it at some points but it's really forgettable
Oh I thought this was the Big Bang Theory thread? Oops, my bad
bazoople
Season 5 Episode 7 spoilers.
[sp]NOOOOO NOT MIKE! ;_;[/sp]
[sp]Fuck you Walt.[/sp]
Season 5 Episode 8
That was a pretty good hook, I'll give them that.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;40595507]I know way too many fucking spoilers about this show. >:[[/QUOTE]
get spoiled scrub
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;40600344]Trying to get my friend into this show.
Only 6 episodes in and he's not digging it at ALL. He just finds it boring.[/QUOTE]
it's never too late to commit your first murder
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