[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;42279058]I obviously know what manipulate means. I'm disagreeing with you. [sp]I don't think Walt CAN manipulate him into doing that.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]right but what you said took into account todd's view of lydia, which wouldn't matter if walter manipulated him correctly. and todd, for all intensive purposes is... stupid. i think the most likely is that he finds out where lydia is from todd, or gets him to set it up so he can kill her.[/sp]
Todd was extremely smiley this episode.
felina is an anagram of finale wtf
[QUOTE=Aurora93;42279090]felina is an anagram of finale wtf[/QUOTE]
Not only is it an anagram for Finale, the elements are Iron, Lithium and Sodium. From BrBa Wiki:
[QUOTE]When viewed from a theoretical standpoint based on the elements they contain, this title could mean Blood (Iron); Meth (Lithium); and tears (Sodium; specifically salt).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Aurora93;42279090]felina is an anagram of finale wtf[/QUOTE]
also
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryzIX09s2o4[/media]
[QUOTE=Xieneus;42278761]You can't halt the Walt.[/QUOTE]
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11517902/4chan/halterthewalter.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Primigenes;42279150][sp] Stop trying to simplify the issue. Walt has had long lasting animosity towards Elliot and Gretchen since before the series started. Walts fucking drug empire is gone and Grey Matter is worth more then fucking anything Walt even fucking shat out.
Walt has lost almost all of his money and if he gets it back it most definitely isn't going towards his family (As you can clearly see in this episode).
Walt killed Mike in a fit of rage/virtually for no reason soooooooo.
Walt even blames Gretchen and Elliot for every fucked up thing that happens to them. Every episode they ever appear in shows Walt infuriated at them so don't give me that bullshit
At this point in the series Walt has nothing except his pride he even knows he's going to fucking die. You can even use the fact that ELLIOT AND GRETCHEN ARE USING WALTS PRODUCT SOMETHING THAT FUCKING INFURIATES HIM AS WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.
So yes I believe that Walt is probably going to do something to Elliot and Gretchen who are basically the catalyst for everything in this series out of spite before(?) he bites the dust. So sue me [/sp][/QUOTE]
uh
no
I got all tingly when they played the full theme song leading up to the end of the episode. Such a good theme song.
[sp]Walt killing Mike was spur of the moment, it's nothing compared to a meticulous planning of some dude who pisses him off. They've always pissed him off. Why didn't he do anything sooner? Because he has more important shit.[/sp]
Looks like Breaking Bad won an Emmy for best drama just now. What a shocker!
[QUOTE=elevate;42279207]Looks like Breaking Bad won an Emmy for best drama just now. What a shocker![/QUOTE]
Also I don't think this has been said but Anna Gunn won an emmy for best supporting actress in a drama
[QUOTE=Primigenes;42279253][sp] What fucking important shit does he have now? His empire is gone, his family doesn't fucking want him, he's going to die, etc. All he has left is to tie up some loose strings with the people who've crossed him.
Why didn't he do anything sooner? Because he knows he's about to die? He has nothing to lose so again why wouldn't he kill or at least in someway interact with the people he blames for his current position in life? If nothing happens to them that would be even more stupid.
And again him killing Mike would basically still be the same thing [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]the nazis are way more important / relevant and I will be very upset if he takes a random ass detour from Kill Nazi Fest to poison some dude I couldn't give a fuck about.[/sp]
My mom of all people had a pretty interesting theory:
[sp]She suggested that maybe Walt goes and kills the Nazis, does "who knows what" with Jesse, poisons the METH, that gets shipped off to the Czechs, the Czechs get pissed because people are dying, and the Czechs kill Lydia. Her logic was that the Czechs and their disappointment has come up, but we've never seen it.[/sp]
Kinda out there and unlikely, but it's something different at least.
[sp]he doesn't really have enough ricin to poison a sizable meth shipment
plus who would be shipping it if all the Nazis died[/sp]
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42279375][sp]he doesn't really have enough ricin to poison a sizable meth shipment
plus who would be shipping it if all the Nazis died[/sp][/QUOTE]
That's what I told her.
She told me to shut up. :v:
fuuuuck
[QUOTE=Primigenes;42279363][sp] Relevant you say
Elliot, Gretchen, and Gray Matter are like the center piece of this whole story. They're a catalyst and they're incredibly relevant to the story at hand. Its the whole reason Walt is going out right now to kill the Nazis because its parallel to the same event that started this story. So what if you don't care about Walt and Gretchen I never asked you if you care. The character Walter White cares and he has always cared because the incident at Gray Matter has impacted him. The characters Elliot and Gretchen despite appearing only so little have a long lasting impact on the character.
So for me to believe that Walter "might" do something to Elliot and Gretchen isn't unreasonable in the slightest and neither would it be bullshit. Stuff like "why didn't he do it before" doesn't count when the situation has changed. It doesn't apply to "Walter White with nothing left to live for and who's sole motivation is to get rid of the people who fucked him over".
I'm not even saying it'll be a definite occurrence but for you to say its bullshit or bad writing is stupid. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]the problem with elliot and gretchen is that they're mainly characters intended for backstory only. it feels too anticlimactic for them to be the victims of such a critical plot device like the ricin when they've had way too little time on air. most people watching the show probably completely forgot that they even still existed since walt's talk with jesse.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;42279375][sp]he doesn't really have enough ricin to poison a sizable meth shipment
plus who would be shipping it if all the Nazis died[/sp][/QUOTE]
i dont think burning ricin would poison you
it's for himself, as insurance
[QUOTE=QuickSnapz;42279027]Fe Li Na
Blood, sweat and tears
[editline]a[/editline]
Or perhaps Blood, meth and tears[/QUOTE]
Lithium isn't in sweat or meth.
[QUOTE=Falubii;42279447]Lithium isn't in sweat or meth.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;42279072]"Lithium metal is the most commonly used reactive metal in the clandestine manufacture of methamphetamine"
Huh, learn something new everyday. Though if I had to guess I'd say the blood/meth thing was ambiguous on purpose.[/QUOTE]
[editline]22nd September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=JerryK;42279443]it's for himself, as insurance[/QUOTE]
Doesn't it take like, a substantial amount of time to kill someone?
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;42279369]My mom of all people had a pretty interesting theory:
[sp]She suggested that maybe Walt goes and kills the Nazis, does "who knows what" with Jesse, poisons the METH, that gets shipped off to the Czechs, the Czechs get pissed because people are dying, and the Czechs kill Lydia. Her logic was that the Czechs and their disappointment has come up, but we've never seen it.[/sp]
Kinda out there and unlikely, but it's something different at least.[/QUOTE]
[sp]i think the ricin would be too diluted to have an impact on the czech buyers, who are probably quite numerous, tbh. the first episode of talking bad - vince judged that that the ricin could kill up to 2-3 people, compared against the m-60, which could take out potentially hundreds (if you were a really good shot, i guess). so unless walt just decides to go to prague just to shoot up random methheads i don't think this is within the realm of possibility[/sp]
[QUOTE=Hunterdnrc;42279457][editline]22nd September 2013[/editline]
Doesn't it take like, a substantial amount of time to kill someone?[/QUOTE]
Ah so it's used in the manufacturing. Okay.
[QUOTE=pfoot;42278928][sp]also guys... walter is going to put the ricin in a stevia pack so lydia puts it in her drink, there's a reason they've mentioned it about 50 times[/sp][/QUOTE]
Hey
[sp]Walter kills Lydia with the ricin, to stop the international affairs. This bursts Todd's bubble, causing him to go on a rampage and killing someone or some people dear to Walt. Walt responds in fury by killing the entirety of Jack and his gang, including Todd.[/sp]
Sound fair?
[QUOTE=Primigenes;42279473][sp] So what if they're for backstory or half the audience can't remember who the fuck they are despite how important they are too this entire story. Who cares if they had too little time on the air why does it even matter. What matters is the impact these characters had on the story. They had a long lasting impact in the story. Who's problem is it that you forgot two characters that basically caused the entire series to take place. They could have had 2 appearances in the entire series (Including this episode) and their impact on Walter White the character would justify him enacting some form of action on him. Hint Hint they've had a 6 seasons worth of impact
There is no problem with it at all. [/sp][/QUOTE]
uh sure you could end it that way but it would just not make for a good ending at all. [sp]nobody in the audience gives a fuck about elliot and gretchen. there's too much foreshadowing that points in a different direction, especially with lydia being very frequently brought up. it feels too stupid to bring back up this shit with elliot and gretchen for such a major plot point with like a quick snippet of something on dateline on the episode before the series finale.
you seem really stubborn anyway, calm down[/sp]
decided to start watching Breaking Bad tonight, even though I don't really watch TV anymore
finished the pilot and the second episode, holy fuck
[sp]Am I the only one who keeps feeling like Walts family isn't going to be hurt...? I know they called it a bloodbath, but it feels like... I dunno, strange. Like they're somehow secured?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Primigenes;42279473][sp] So what if they're for backstory or half the audience can't remember who the fuck they are despite how important they are too this entire story. Who cares if they had too little time on the air why does it even matter. What matters is the impact these characters had on the story. Who's problem is it that you forgot two characters that basically caused the entire series to take place. They could have had 2 appearances in the entire series (Including this episode) and their impact on Walter White the character would justify him enacting some form of action on him. Hint Hint they've had 6 seasons worth of impact
There is no problem with it at all and it wouldn't be bad writing or anything.
You guys don't even acknowledge it as a possibility because you think they're fucking irrelevant which is just a bs claim. [/sp][/QUOTE]
The point of the scene was to, once again, walk through Walt's motivations for doing everything he has done in the series so far. [sp]He was prepared to give himself up because he was feeling guilty, then he sees two people he despises talking about what a horrible person they think he is, insulting him by donating money to a drug-problem related charity, even lying about his contributions to the company to distance themselves from him. It's like when Hank said to Walt "You don't give a shit about family." It just motivated his actions further because it hit a nerve, and he realizes it doesn't matter what his justifications are since no one is likely to ever hear his side of the story, giving himself up wouldn't make his situation any better.[/sp]
[editline]22nd September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;42279615][sp]Am I the only one who keeps feeling like Walts family isn't going to be hurt...? I know they called it a bloodbath, but it feels like... I dunno, strange. Like they're somehow secured?[/sp][/QUOTE][sp]Todd and his friends managed to break into Holly's bedroom, without the cops even knowing mind you, that doesn't seem so secure to me. (although I guess they have since moved out of the house? idk where they would go to, but you get my point.)[/sp]
[QUOTE=Derp Y. Mail;42279615][sp]Am I the only one who keeps feeling like Walts family isn't going to be hurt...? I know they called it a bloodbath, but it feels like... I dunno, strange. Like they're somehow secured?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Who knows, when Walt takes action against the Nazis, they get ready to take out his family, then turning the whole situation into a race against time. It would feel really odd if the White family is pretty much safe during the finale, very anti-Breaking Bad.[/sp]
[QUOTE=a203xi;42279634]The point of the scene was to, once again, walk through Walt's motivations for doing everything he has done in the series so far. [sp]He was prepared to give himself up because he was feeling guilty, then he sees two people he despises talking about what a horrible person they think he is, insulting him by donating money to a drug-problem related charity, even lying about his contributions to the company to distance themselves from him. It's like when Hank said to Walt "You don't give a shit about family." It just motivated his actions further because it hit a nerve, and he realizes it doesn't matter what his justifications are since no one is likely to ever hear his side of the story, giving himself up wouldn't make his situation any better.[/sp]
[editline]22nd September 2013[/editline]
[sp]Todd and his friends managed to break into Holly's bedroom, without the cops even knowing mind you, that doesn't seem so secure to me.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I kinda wish Walt would just say "I didn't kill Hank. Nazis whom I hired to kill another man did. Things got mixed up". I know it's stressing him out and he's stumbling on words, but... really?
And I meant not so much in a security-secure kind of way, just that they're such important characters. Eh.[/sp]
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