Breaking Bad V3 - Let's Cook One Last Time. - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43584194]Cite one part of the show where this was implied[/QUOTE] The last episodes of Season 2.

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;43585600]The last episodes of Season 2.[/QUOTE] The last couple episodes of Season 2 (Phoenix and ABQ) are the only ones I'd consider skipping in a rewatch. I found both of those episodes extremely depressing, even though they were well made.

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;43585600]The last episodes of Season 2.[/QUOTE] Give me a line, give me something she did, anything. I watched the show too (obviously) and never got that vibe but of course this forum never likes any of the characters who work against Walt let alone the female ones. Frankly I think it's just confirmation bias on your parts taking anything that could be inferred as manipulative and blowing it up as huge as you can.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43587149]Give me a line, give me something she did, anything. I watched the show too (obviously) and never got that vibe but of course this forum never likes any of the characters who work against Walt let alone the female ones.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? If you watched the last half of season 2, you can see it clear as day. She starts pressuring Jesse and implanting the idea that he MUST get his money off Walt, making Walt out to be the bad guy (At the time) for not giving Jesse his money, ignoring the reasons WHY he wasn't giving it him in the first place. (Because of her mainly) etc.

[QUOTE=Zannabluke;43575490]It's not that. It's for the way she [sp]tries to persuase Jesse and manipulate his mind. She stayed with him only for his being wealthy.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Did she really? I don't remember that at all.[/sp] That's fucked up.

How is convincing him to get his entitled money so he can escape the meth business a bad thing? (and in case you forgot Walt IS the bad guy, who pressured Jesse to expand his territory which got his best friend killed) Face it, the extent of Jane's wrongdoing was escalating Jesse's drug use and blackmail.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43587266]How is convincing him to get his entitled money so he can escape the meth business a bad thing? (and in case you forgot Walt IS the bad guy, who pressured Jesse to expand his territory which got his best friend killed) Face it, the extent of Jane's wrongdoing was escalating Jesse's drug use and blackmail.[/QUOTE] Um you rated me disagree so I'm assuming you're talking to me. What are you on about exactly?

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;43587394]Um you rated me disagree so I'm assuming you're talking to me. What are you on about exactly?[/QUOTE] "Did she really?" "Disagree" I was talking to the guy above you

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43587417]"Did she really?" "Disagree" I was talking to the guy above you[/QUOTE] But six people say otherwise. :v:

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;43587428]But six people say otherwise. :v:[/QUOTE] That's cause they instantly equate trying to get jesse to get his money with being a manipulative golddigger

Jane, Jessie and Walt all had a very complex relationship with many emotions and ideas in play that cannot be easily be smushed down into one single goal for each character

You guys should spoiler tag that shit, several mentions of [sp]Jane's Death[/sp]

Honestly why? The show is not only over, but its been several months since it was over. Most people who will have watched it already have, so people rewatching it already know whats going on. The few people who are just getting into it really don't belong on discussion threads for shows like on Reddit or Facepunch, you're pretty much just asking for spoilers. Imo, the show's over, but not only that. That shit was season 2, which was nearly 5 years ago. Also, a thread shouldn't be read like a fucking classified redacted government document. By going into a discussion thread there is literally no way to avoid "spoilers" since the word "spoiler" basically means any significant plot development. That is, unless you're coming here just to post an image macro with Huell in it or something Spoilers: Dumbledore dies!

Darth Vader is Luke's father

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43589804]Darth Vader is Luke's father[/QUOTE] why i oughta..

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43587266]How is convincing him to get his entitled money so he can escape the meth business a bad thing?.[/QUOTE] So they could spend those $500.000 in heroin? Fuck no. Walt didn't give him the money for that exact purpose.

They'd both be dead or dying within a month. That drug addict couple that Jesse went to demand money off was a potential future of Jesse and Jane. Obviously letting somebody die isn't the [I]right[/I] thing to do (if notions of right and wrong exist). But it would eventually save Jesse.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43587266]How is convincing him to get his entitled money so he can escape the meth business a bad thing? (and in case you forgot Walt IS the bad guy, who pressured Jesse to expand his territory which got his best friend killed) Face it, the extent of Jane's wrongdoing was escalating Jesse's drug use and blackmail.[/QUOTE] Asking Jesse and trying to convince him that he should stand up for himself and get the money he is owed is all well and good. But she didn't stop there. Once she found out that Jesse had a lot of money to come and the connections he had she started to play off of that. The point was, and it's pretty obvious when you watch it that she has her own motives in mind, not just wanting what is best for Jesse. Walt didn't give him his money because he thought she was bad for him. (Making his Drug consumption escalate and such as an example) Not only that but Walt also saw through her Facade and knew she was also after his money. Hence why he was so hesitant to give Jesse his money until he was clean and thinking right so that he himself could also see Jane for what she really wanted. You also overstepped my meaning. Yes Walt is bad, but is by no means the worst. He may have used Jesse during Season 2 to his own ends, and without thinking it through. BUT Walt did show signs of compassion towards him and did on occasion try to help Jesse out in a serious manner. Jane wanted his money, if you can't see that and the way she was acting around Jesse and the way she worded the things she said. Then I don't think us debating the point would really make you finally see otherwise either. Watch Seasons 2 again start to finish, maybe you'll see it. But I'm unsure how else to try and explain this to you. Especially as you so far seem to be the only one who can't see it.

[QUOTE=Jamie1992GSC;43593942] Once she found out that Jesse had a lot of money to come and the connections he had she started to play off of that. [/QUOTE] Tell me when this was and it's all I need. iirc the night they got the money is the night she [sp] died [/sp] so I don't remember or see how it could have gone any further? [editline]19th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SebiWarrior;43592069]So they could spend those $500.000 in heroin? Fuck no. Walt didn't give him the money for that exact purpose.[/QUOTE] Yes, but that still does not make Jane manipulative, Jesse agreed to get his money of his own free will, even if Jane had to do the dirty work he never reneged. I know it's Breaking Bad, but convincing someone isn't always manipulation guys. [editline]19th January 2014[/editline] Anyway even though I don't agree with you guys isn't it great we're still talking about a tv show season from five years ago?

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;43594300]Yes, but that still does not make Jane manipulative, Jesse agreed to get his money of his own free will, even if Jane had to do the dirty work he never reneged. I know it's Breaking Bad, but convincing someone isn't always manipulation guys.[/QUOTE] Jesse's mind was clouded with his love for Jane and couldn't think clearly. Jane took advantage of that to get that money.

[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;43596109]Jesse's mind was clouded with his love for Jane and couldn't think clearly. Jane took advantage of that to get that money.[/QUOTE] dude I am aware of the argument saying it over and over doesn't make it convincing

I always felt Jane just wanted the money so she and Jesse could go away and because the money was indeed Jesse's. The thing was she didn't know Walt as much as Jesse so she didn't care about his opinion and most of the time addicts hate when someone tries to stop them from using. Walt didn't see through her facade, he just noticed Jesse loved her very much and with her he was using more drugs than before. That's why he didn't want to give them the money and [sp]why he left her to die[/sp].

I agree with that, however I don't agree that that makes her manipulative or even necessarily a bad person so much as an unfortunate victim of drugs. Something had to be done to curb Jesse's spiral. Doesn't mean Jane "deserved it". To say so is to insult the show's beautifully crafted gray morality.

Finished it today, can't make in my mind that it's over.

[QUOTE=Zannabluke;43666823]Finished it today, can't make in my mind that it's over.[/QUOTE] Well its over

[QUOTE=PollytheParrot;43666872]Well its over[/QUOTE] i don't believe you

Hate to break it to you, but he's right. Been over for months. Dead and locked into a plastic vat filled with acid.

luckily we'll have better call saul coming this fall to you

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;43668047]Hate to break it to you, but he's right. Been over for months. Dead and locked into a plastic vat filled with acid.[/QUOTE] When I was done on my second runthrough of Breaking Bad it felt like one of those cliche hallucination scenes, where a grieving person realises that their hallucination of a deceased person was only a figment of their imagination :v:

[url]http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/28/jonathan-banks-joins-breaking-bad-prequel-series-better-call-saul?abthid=52e7010ef1505df563000040[/url] It looks like Mike is going to be in Better Call Saul!