The Doctor Who Spoilers and Speculation Thread V2 - The End of an Era (The Moff Falls) - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=UnheardPie;52498847][url]http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-07-23/mark-gatiss-to-star-in-the-doctor-who-christmas-special[/url] Mark Gatiss will be appearing in the christmas special. As who though? I've seen him as the third doctor on a behind the scenes of AAISAT - but apart from that it could be anyones guess.[/QUOTE] I'd say that was a cosplay more than a casting, IIRC he wanted to shoot a 2nd Doctor regeneration scene with himself and Shearsmith to 'complete the set'. If the Christmas episode is set [sp]in WW1[/sp] as set pictures suggest, Gatiss will probably be playing [sp]some snooty high-born British army commander[/sp].

[QUOTE=CoolCorky;52499229]I'd say that was a cosplay more than a casting, IIRC he wanted to shoot a 2nd Doctor regeneration scene with himself and Shearsmith to 'complete the set'. If the Christmas episode is set [sp]in WW1[/sp] as set pictures suggest, Gatiss will probably be playing [sp]some snooty high-born British army commander[/sp].[/QUOTE] I completely agree with this as well as the fact that Jon's son, Sean Pertwee is a much closer resemblance to the third Doctor. I was just saying - whilst it was a bit of fun on the set for him, it shows that it could be a possibility since they've already brought back David Bradley from AAISAT.

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;52495548]by that logic paul mcgann also shouldnt really be considered a doctor[/QUOTE]Well Hurt was sort of the result of Christopher Eccleston's reluctance to do the 50th special. McGann was only in one NTSC TV movie, so I guess that makes sense. Why they didn't just get him into the 50th I don't know. [QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52495636]Jon Hurt wasn't the doctor but John Hurt is[/QUOTE]Seriously, I made a typo, are you annoyed at what I said or did you just want to make a bad quip? Posts like that are the bane of my existence, just no, please don't.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52499389]Well Hurt was sort of the result of Christopher Eccleston's reluctance to do the 50th special. McGann was only in one NTSC TV movie, so I guess that makes sense. Why they didn't just get him into the 50th I don't know.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, the circumstances regarding Hurt being cast are as you described, but he's now been written into the universe and is an established part of the mythos. I'd say you can't really just ignore the parts of the story you don't like. Also I think Moffat said from the outset he didn't want it to be the 8th Doctor who fought in the time war as he didn't think it was appropriate for the persona created for him by both McGann in the TV movie and subsequent audiobooks, and writers in the ongoing novel series.

[url]https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/889231959800545285[/url] Twice Upon A Time w e w l a d s

That face morph from Hartnell to Bradley at the start is ace. [sp]also trapped in a single moment = stasis cube? the phrasing seems far too exact to be coincidental[/sp]

The transition at the beginning was done by the YouTube channel John Smith, known for his good visual work: [video=youtube;UsM216JCnZM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsM216JCnZM[/video]

Was that Polly in the trailer ?

Is Mark Gatiss playing a young Brigadier General Lethbridge Stewart?

They just HAD to bring Bill back didn't they Typical

Chumblies. There must be Chumblies.

I had no idea Mark Gatiss was an actor. I've only ever seen him referred to as a writer. Just looked at his IMDB page.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52500430]I had no idea Mark Gatiss was an actor. I've only ever seen him referred to as a writer. Just looked at his IMDB page.[/QUOTE] Never seen Sherlock then I take it? Hell, he's been in Doctor Who before.

[QUOTE=CoolCorky;52500447]Never seen Sherlock then I take it? Hell, he's been in Doctor Who before.[/QUOTE] I have, but I'm not the kind of person who looks up character's actors. Or read credits. [editline]23rd July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52500241]Is Mark Gatiss playing a young Brigadier General Lethbridge Stewart?[/QUOTE] Those are World War 1 uniforms, I doubt it.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52500490]I have, but I'm not the kind of person who looks up character's actors. Or read credits. [editline]23rd July 2017[/editline] Those are World War 1 uniforms, I doubt it.[/QUOTE] its gonna end up being his dad or something equally stupid

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52500495]its gonna end up being his dad or something equally stupid[/QUOTE] Honestly it wouldn't be Moffat's last episode if there wasn't something that was totally flashy, unnecessary and nonsensical in it that totally broke plot continuity. If he's gonna do a Moffat episode he might as well do it properly.

Three things wrong with the trailer, in my opinion. 1) Gatiss (why the fuck did Moffat cast his best mate in 12's final story. Detracts from it I think.) 2) Bill 3 [and the biggest sin of all]) why the FUCK are they reimagining 1's regeneration with the glowly light effects associated with Nu-Who regens. It is a sacred thing that should not be touched, but oh no, Moffat just HAS to go near it doesn't he.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52500576] 3 [and the biggest sin of all]) why the FUCK are they reimagining 1's regeneration with the glowly light effects associated with Nu-Who regens. It is a sacred thing that should not be touched, but oh no, Moffat just HAS to go near it doesn't he.[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/S1RF87c.png[/t] Like there's really any fucking difference.

who wants to bet that the shot at 40 seconds into the trailer with the tardis zooming away is capaldi flying to do his part in day of the doctor i'm sure the "locked in a single moment of time" ties back into the day of the doctor, with fixing it being what leads the first doctor to start the calculation of how to save gallifrey (and then since capaldi's doctor is when the calculation is finished that's why he's there too)

[QUOTE=Karmal Khan;52500720][t]http://i.imgur.com/S1RF87c.png[/t] Like there's really any fucking difference.[/QUOTE] there is and you know it he changes into 2's clothes too, for fucks sake. it's a unique regen that should not be changed.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52500773]he changes into 2's clothes too, for fucks sake. it's a unique regen that should not be changed.[/QUOTE]huh? isn't there a sequence in power of the daleks where 2 chooses his new outfit? edit: I could easily be misremembering to be fair edit2: maybe he just found new stuff like the recorder not new clothes? could be what I'm remembering. edit3: turns out he was still wearing the first doctor's cloak at the very least.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52500490] Those are World War 1 uniforms, I doubt it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, Mark Gatiss is playing some officer of the Royal Artillery, judging by the flaming grenades (with 7 flames, as opposed to the 9 of the Royal Engineers). Unless the costume department was like "Eh lets just throw whatever on to make him look like an officer". Also probably takes place earlier in the war, 1915 or thereabouts, judging by the officer's tunic still having the piping, and the German use of the Feldmutze. Of course, the costume department probably just went "eh lets make it look like wwi". should be interesting to see what they do.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52500576]Three things wrong with the trailer, in my opinion. 1) Gatiss (why the fuck did Moffat cast his best mate in 12's final story. Detracts from it I think.) 2) Bill 3 [and the biggest sin of all]) why the FUCK are they reimagining 1's regeneration with the glowly light effects associated with Nu-Who regens. It is a sacred thing that should not be touched, but oh no, Moffat just HAS to go near it doesn't he.[/QUOTE] Okay I think moffat is dumb and I'm looking forward to his swift departure but even I think 1) and 3) are grasping Gatiss is perfectly competent, he'll be fine. Nothing at all wrong with casting him, he's been in DW before as various characters and as for the regen effect since when did we decide that the poor CGI associated with regenerations was 'sacred' and who decided that? There's lots of light effects in both so whoooo caaaares

[QUOTE=killerteacup;52500823] and as for the regen effect since when did we decide that the poor CGI associated with regenerations was 'sacred' and who decided that? There's lots of light effects in both so whoooo caaaares[/QUOTE] This

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52500576] 3 [and the biggest sin of all]) why the FUCK are they reimagining 1's regeneration with the glowly light effects associated with Nu-Who regens. It is a sacred thing that should not be touched, but oh no, Moffat just HAS to go near it doesn't he.[/QUOTE] do you think they wouldn't do the nu-who regenerations if they had the tech in the sixties

[QUOTE=CoolCorky;52499696]Fair enough, the circumstances regarding Hurt being cast are as you described, but he's now been written into the universe and is an established part of the mythos. I'd say you can't really just ignore the parts of the story you don't like. Also I think Moffat said from the outset he didn't want it to be the 8th Doctor who fought in the time war as he didn't think it was appropriate for the persona created for him by both McGann in the TV movie and subsequent audiobooks, and writers in the ongoing novel series.[/QUOTE]I don't know, I think it felt a bit tacked on to me, I wish Christopher Eccleston had agreed to it, he'd more of a war time doctor than John Hurt, Hurt wasn't bad, I just don't feel like he fit the role. [QUOTE=TheRealRudy;52500160]oh shit thats looking good cant help but just seeing mark gatiss tho [editline]ye[/editline] youtube trailer </img> [/QUOTE]So is Peter Capaldi meeting William Hartnell after they both fought the Cybermen and started regenerating? Is this after the tenth planet in Hartnell's timeline?

[QUOTE=Karmal Khan;52500720][t]http://i.imgur.com/S1RF87c.png[/t] Like there's really any fucking difference.[/QUOTE] They might do the regeneration by having Capaldi leave in the TARDIS when the 1st doctor regenerates into the 2nd, so that the TARDIS sound is in the background as it is now.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52500773]there is and you know it he changes into 2's clothes too, for fucks sake. it's a unique regen that should not be changed.[/QUOTE] Alright so a character being consumed by light in color is evidence that their later minor alteration of clothes afterwards (which clearly doesn't have anything to do with the biological regenerative process itself, but possibly the TARDIS's apparent involvement in the process) is going to be retconned out? I don't see anything that proves any agenda to do that. Not sure what this has to do with your original diatribe about how it's being portrayed as "glowly", as opposed to it's original interpretation as... Also glowy, though.

[QUOTE=Ezhik;52500949]do you think they wouldn't do the nu-who regenerations if they had the tech in the sixties[/QUOTE] TBF there's no real reason they would have, there was no real established style for the regeneration process in classic who: 1 went in a glow of light and a face morph 2 went in a spinny phychedelic sequence (though I guess that was him being transported to Earth, not regenerating) 3 just had a face morph 4 had the watcher (whatever the fuck that was meant to be) 5 had a trippy 2001-esque sequence 6 had a glow of light and a face morph 7 contorted his face into 8s It's only been since 2005 that we've had the consistent golden explosion (and even then they've been very different in terms of scale, e.g. compare 9's and 11's regenration)

With many other regenerations, they couldn't have got away with it. With First's, they probably can. Possibly for the last time if Chibnall decides to change it up. [QUOTE=Freeze;52500760]who wants to bet that the shot at 40 seconds into the trailer with the tardis zooming away is capaldi flying to do his part in day of the doctor[/QUOTE] The shot that has been included in the Series 7, 8, 9 & 10 trailers for no reason? I'm not holding my breath. :v: It's the trailer equivalent of 9's photoshopped TARDIS and yes, it annoys me just as much. If it doesn't happen, I'll do another alternate ending just for you.