• The Doctor Who Spoilers and Speculation Thread V2 - The End of an Era (The Moff Falls)
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I don't really care about Series 9 OST, I'm just super excited for Heaven Sent OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnmttMfs0n8&t=7765s ;)
we made it, friends we made it and now the wait for s10 begins
really disappointed that Breaking The Wall isn't called Breaking The Wall, and that the new version of the Doctors theme from Hell Bent isn't on there. Oh and no extended guitar theme.
Moffat and RTD https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09yx3k8
listening to the heaven sent score clean after all this time is fucking surreal
Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDYtbcDvva8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDfAWuZP5go The first second of eternity has passed
I keep listening to it, but it reminds me more of the regeneration than the actual "breaking the wall" scene
https://youtu.be/2wl8tc1iQH0 I have to say, I'm liking that fans are moving away from a simple vortex or general space-y-ness. I hope the final sequence is as abstract. Blair Mowat's theme from a few weeks ago was also excellent, just what I wanted out of new tune.
I couldn't stay away from this show, not that I deliborately tried but after that dumb pyramid monk episode with the bollocks of "you need to accept out of love" bollocks (implying that none of the previous people who tried had family or anyone they cared about and that Bill's attempt was equally as tactical as the others) I didn't want to see the next bollocks episode so I skipped it and fell out of the habit of watching it. All caught up now, don't ask how.
How?
wibbly-wobbly streamy-weamy
Worth it. I really liked the finale. Mostly because The Master is my favourite villain so it was all I could ever dream of.
I really want to rewatch the second part of the finale again but Netflix here seems to have only got up to World Enough and Time and that's after them fucking up the upload last week with missing episodes and mislabelled ones.
I just rewatched WEAT and I really do think it's one of Moffat's strongest episodes. The half-converted Cybermen are genuinely terrifying.
I do like how they turned a terribly campy costume into something tragic.
I will say I feel like even though I personally liked it at the time, The Doctor Falls is also excellent upon rewatch - I think having expectations of what the episode is going to be makes it so much better.
See, I rewatched TDF straight after I watched WEAT and I thought it was noticeably worse. Bill is also worse the second time round imo, Moffat legit writes all of his female characters the same and it's so grating.
I forget, did the multi-coloured Dalek rangers ever amount to anything?
Nut really, but kinda. They were only multicolored for the one episode, but due to (probably) the bad response they were upgraded to be rare Dalek "officers", mostly the red and white ones I think. They were also darker in color. Better outcome than they being the new main Daleks. The bronze types are perfect.
I think Chinballs might redesign them tbh. It's been 13 years.
So much of Matt Smith's time as the Doctor is just a blur to me I could easily believe if you said there was an episode where they featured prominantly...
Very understandable. Nice avatar and background btw.
Ha! http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/976x549/p0649jvh.jpg
They knew what people wanted, alright. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXo47CIUuFg
I really liked World Enough and Time because the Doctor completely fucked up and got outsmarted by the Master and had to actually roll up his sleeves and get into a right old shitfight in order to prevent things from going bad. Moffat-Era Who has had this massive issue of paradoxically having really fucking high yet really fucking low stakes. Innocent people get mauled, maimed, slaughtered in the tens, and yet a single character that is named dying in sight of the Doctor makes him pissed off. Then you have stuff like where even if he's found out that half of Victorian London has been skinned to make a dirigible, he doesn't seem to really care so long as the villain is stopped. It feels disturbingly callous and makes me feel really squeamish about a lot of the episodes. There was that Christmas episode with the facehuggers, and that fat bloke was horribly mauled to death by one of them but it was just completely forgot about, you know, the fact that poor bastard ended up dead on Christmas fucking Morning when he was just doing nothing but sleeping on his sofa? The Doctor didn't even acknowledge he'd died afterward. I don't even think they showed any kind of scene to acknowledge his death That felt really callous. As a kid that kind of stuff shitted me up when I realized it in hindsight, and as an adult it's very troubling. Whereas in WEAT/TDF he basically became the Doctor he's meant to be in that kind of crisis -- instead of whipping out some bollockular confumblier wires and rejiggering the spibbly or outright running away, he was like "fuck we're just gonna have to fight, aren't we?" and it was great. it felt like there was real danger to that story and a meaning to the lives of the characters rather than just being disposeable meatshields, and the Cybermen coming down floor-by-floor was incredibly thrilling. It ended up relatively lame by the ending if you ask me, but the tension leading up to it was great. I also liked that both Masters clobbered the shite out of one another rather than just wandering off for another year. I'm not saying I want Doctor Who to be a rousing re-tread of the Death Wish franchise, but some actual stakes beyond "I have Evil Plan, and I will Blowed the World to Smitheroons" and then the Doctor, standing completely vertically, resolves it in the space of five minutes. Have some actual purchase to the stuff that's being dealt with -- life and death is pretty heavy stuff, especially for an ostensibly family-oriented series, so at least make it somewhat meaningful when fools get capped, rather than just racking up the bodies in every episode and tossing it aside the second the bad guy gets called a big willy and decides to pack away the death ray. That last Christmas Special was utter wank, by the by.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JtGluXxx4E
I want it to be known that I only accidentally rated this post and can't figure out how to unrate (if there even is a way) and that I actually agree with a lot of it (but I loved Twice Upon a Time/Last Christmas so can't say I fully agree either)
Been working my way through the whole series before watching season 10 for the first time. I'm trying to avoid anything hugely spoilery, but does the season pick up in quality later? I'm up to the fourth episode now and while Mysterio, the Pilot and Smile aren't bad none of them are particularly interesting.
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