[QUOTE=Starscre4M;52218822][sp]She locked her thinking she was infected too, since the guy vomited on her.
He hasn't seen what they do though? It was the first time showing an egg and a facehugger, he was still trusting David, I guess he didn't think he could lie.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yeah ok true, so maybe she just completely lost her cool after she was sprayed with blood from the first spike burst.
And I get that he trusts David, but it's still inadvisable to stick your face right next to a living specimen that David said was his "success" after seeing all the failed splicing attempts. And he may not have seen what facehuggers do, but he sure as hell saw what the two small ones did before David turned up with the flare gun. There's no way that's not burned into memory of a highly educated explorer/colonist.[/sp]
no, dr manhattan is just stupid. he already pulled a gun on him so we can safely say there was no trust then and there
[QUOTE=Rong;52222753]no, dr manhattan is just stupid. he already pulled a gun on him so we can safely say there was no trust then and there[/QUOTE]
this is a very good point too. like, [sp]he saw David's rage when he shot the neomorph while David was trying to communicate with it and the mere fact that David has some measure of control over a wild one is extremely concerning itself.[/sp]
oh well, not a brilliant film for me but its definitely fun to watch and a good follow up to Prometheus.
Saw it last night. Enjoyed it much more than Prometheus but as you can imagine it's not on the level of Alien/Aliens.
For those that haven't seen the film and haven't seen any/many trailers yet - don't bother with the trailers, I think the movie would have been ever better if I hadn't seen them. They gave a lot away.
A couple of things:
[sp]Some people seem to be upset that the movies are ruining the 'mystique' of the xenomorphs is being lost as we find out more and more about how they came to be. I understand why people feel like this but personally I enjoy the backstories behind these things so I'm totally ok with it.[/sp]
[sp]At the end I predicted that Walter had maybe been turned bad by David to continue his legacy - the twist that it was actually David back on the ship all along was even better. That ending got me good, Daniels banging on the hypersleep chamber as she realises, the way David walks down the corridor, knowing that he now has 2000 test subjects to fuck about with. Damn.[/sp]
[sp]Also that bit where David has Daniels on the table and says something like "I'm going to do to you what I did with Shaw", I had this crazy theory that he turned Shaw into whatever laid the eggs. The first 'queen' maybe?[/sp]
[QUOTE=halflife_123;52223547]Saw it last night. Enjoyed it much more than Prometheus but as you can imagine it's not on the level of Alien/Aliens.
For those that haven't seen the film and haven't seen any/many trailers yet - don't bother with the trailers, I think the movie would have been ever better if I hadn't seen them. They gave a lot away.
A couple of things:
[sp]Some people seem to be upset that the movies are ruining the 'mystique' of the xenomorphs is being lost as we find out more and more about how they came to be. I understand why people feel like this but personally I enjoy the backstories behind these things so I'm totally ok with it.[/sp]
[sp]At the end I predicted that Walter had maybe been turned bad by David to continue his legacy - the twist that it was actually David back on the ship all along was even better. That ending got me good, Daniels banging on the hypersleep chamber as she realises, the way David walks down the corridor, knowing that he now has 2000 test subjects to fuck about with. Damn.[/sp]
[sp]Also that bit where David has Daniels on the table and says something like "I'm going to do to you what I did with Shaw", I had this crazy theory that he turned Shaw into whatever laid the eggs. The first 'queen' maybe?[/sp][/QUOTE]
This Film is a master piece. Yet the most difficult thing is to make the connection to LV246.
[sp]That twist on David was to obvious. The grab towards the knife, the hard cut away from those two and the subtle hints in his behavior were all to foreshadowey. I liked that they tried to go into the whole Religious rut again but somehow the execution of David playing God was a little too much[/sp]
In all, I'd give it a good 7 / 10.
Just went to see Covenant with a couple of friends, honestly a massive diappointment and probably the worst film I've seen in a while
[sp]I liked it i guess, but i thought it felt super predictable and i was more along for the ride of the monster thriller flick where i was waiting for how these deaths would happen even though wayyy too many of them were in the trailers.
I thought that opening scene was super weak because as soon as david asks wayland who created him it to me instantly sent red flags about him obviously being untrustworthy especially with his actions in prometheus. I mean david desiring to be a creator was a twist but i thought it was so weird they had that flashback of him bombing the planet and it almost feels like it was forced in there so people would understand he was immediately bad. I thought that kind of detracted from the fear of david. In fact i think that flashback is the absolute weakest back breaking scene in the movie and i almost feel like it had to have been added by committee to help viewers understand. I think without that one scene it would have been way more suspenseful.
At times i felt like the tie to prometheus was almost by some kind of obligation and to just get david michael fassbender in there and really i thought that he was the main star of the movie and everything else felt like i couldn't really get absorbed in.
There definitely were not as many poor suspension of disbelief problems as prometheus at least and overall it was more enjoyable than that, but to me that's not really saying a lot[/sp]
Was that really better than Prometheus though, I mean at least Prometheus had some interesting ideas, with the engineers, this movie does nothing new and nothing interesting, it's literally every alien movie Ridley Scott has over made again and again, but not done NEARLY as well[sp], following those same beats and in fact it pretty much destroyed anything Prometheus had that was interesting plot wise, though let's move onto one of the big things people harp on about Prometheus, because it's important for this movie, it's downsides, the biggest one being it having a lot of "characters being idiots, then dying in a stupid fashion"
You'd think Ridley Scott would have taken people criticizing the hell out of those specific instances into consideration and actually wrote smart characters this time, but nope, this movie has that extremely stupid characters dying in stupid fashions in spades and honestly I find that it's even worse than Prometheus is in this regard.
It's just so meh, like I didn't like Prometheus either, but at least it had SOMETHING interesting going on even if it was more background lore than anything else[/sp]
[sp]this movie, this movie I could tell exactly what was going to happen on a beat, the plot was that basic, I'll say it before and I'll say it again, at least Prometheus tried to do somethings slightly different.
It also ruins the magic of the xenomorphs, turns an interesting idea of them being bioweapons into some pet project by an android who basically takes all the spotlight, you might as well just call this David: Covenant and the movie makes what is supposed to be the perfect organism, something you used to fear into total pussies, like hell, in fact this movie makes them seem like a step backwards, with how much more efficient the black goo morphs are, also for some reason the xenomorph facehugger gestation is instant??? when it's never been instant before now, it's always been a slow process.[/sp]
4/10
And that's mostly because I appreciate the visuals, well MOST of the visuals anyway, one stood out, the [sp]alien[/sp] being entirely CGI, it just does not look good, like god, at least mix in some practical effects, because it just looks so damn fake.
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[video=youtube;Bbzuu14bGgs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbzuu14bGgs[/video]
It's hilarious that Alien Covenant takes cues from Galaxy Quest of all things, [sp]where the idea of people going out without protection on an alien planet it's played for laughs.[/sp]
IS it played for laughs? I laughed, but I don't think it was supposed to be goofy.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;52252851]IS it played for laughs? I laughed, but I don't think it was supposed to be goofy.[/QUOTE]
No I mean, it's a joke in Galaxy Quest, where it's played for laughs and they KNOW it's stupid, going onto an alien planet with zero protection at all, but in Covenant it's something they play completely straight and it's retarded.
saw it last night, seemed to me like a lot of bits were cut out. parts would end abruptly and change locations or times without any real transition. i'll probably want to see the directors cut once it's released
I just saw the movie last night and I didn't enjoy my time with it at all. Beware of some spoilers below.
Actually, I didn't have any expectations nor am I that much of a hardcore fan of the Aliens franchise. I am just a really big fan of the first two movies and this movie felt like a mess. It feels directionless and hastily put together.
First of all, the characters and entire cast is so unlikeable. Furthermore they don't even bother setting characters up at all which just boggles my mind. I didn't know the entire time who the fuck was who and what their relationships were, it was just so jarring. They were just killed off without much thought. This movie actually feels more like a stereotypical horror movie instead of a good sci-fi movie. I also get the impression that they think that the movie tries to be really hard to explore ideas like existentialism and creation but it falls so flat on his nose mostly because it's done in such a cheap way.
The movie has no tension and felt actually boring, it took such a long time for anything to happen. It's not like I need action nonstop but nothing at the start of the movie really grabs your attention. The crew interaction is utterly boring, they don't even react real. It boggles my mind, these professional crew men don't even question anything nor seem surprised to find alien life. They do not behave or feel like any sort of scientists. Also why the fuck are they exploring an unknown planet without any sort of safety gear or helmet, this is just absolutely insane. The entire movie is just way to convenient and lacks sci-fi elements.
Then you have many plot points that feel so contrived like the captain being religious, it doesn't add anything at all. It also tries so hard to tie everything to Prometheus and it was a tad unexpected for me. I would have hoped for a more self contained story but the movie tries so hard to explain what happen after Prometheus.
Like I mentioned there are so many weird things that are not explained or make no sense.
The action itself just feels so boring mostly because you do not give a single shit about anybody in this movie, except perhaps for Walter mostly because the character of Micheal Fassbender has a bit more thought and work put into it.
Then at the end the pacing gets all fucked by adding this obvious Alien inspired scene of getting rid of the xenomorph. Just it isn't interesting because these characters are just utterly forgettable, especially the obvious Ripley ripoff that has no charisma or anything going for it. Mostly because characters were pushed so much into the background most of the movie.
The xenomorphs themselves are also just less intimidating, the entire movie I did not feel any sort of dread in any way.
I'm not even sure how to sum it all up but there is so much stupid shit in this movie.
I can safely say that the soundtrack and visuals are superb, it sounds and looks mostly incredible. Also Micheal Fassbender did act quite great. As for the rest I do not really know any redeeming qualities.
Sorry if this is just nonsensical rambling.
[sp]Why would you trust the creepy dude trying to make friends with the horrible monster? Why would you keep following him after he explained he basically made said monster via experimenting? Why would you touch the horrible sac thing he made and SHOVE YOUR FACE IN IT AAAAAAAHHHH[/sp]
[QUOTE=An Armed Bear;52256353][sp]Why would you trust the creepy dude trying to make friends with the horrible monster? Why would you keep following him after he explained he basically made said monster via experimenting? Why would you touch the horrible sac thing he made and SHOVE YOUR FACE IN IT AAAAAAAHHHH[/sp][/QUOTE]
the half in the bag of this movie will be good
Loved the film - as a big Alien fan, it's another hit in my book.
I enjoyed Covenant, but I just couldn't take it seriously. It seems like Ridley Scott is enjoying himself by adding all this backstory to the Xenomorphs, while in reality it's unneccessary. I much preferred the fact that in Alien, it was purely and simply a random intersection between species. The aliens were just aliens, parasites and highly aggressive hunters. It kind of takes away from the mystery and 'wonder' of space and what's out there. Now the story is really stretching when it comes to coincidences, and is just trying so hard to tie every aspect together. It's just not needed.
A lot of the writing is plain stupid. [sp] No safety precautions at all when landing on an alien planet. They're just like "it's similar to earth so, fuck it, don't wear your space suits." If they wore any protection, none of what comes after would have happened. Also, the engineers conveniently are ALL standing under david when he bombards them with the black goo. For some reason they live in only one city (as far as we know) and not even one of them was absent that day. Add some stupid lines in the mix like "this is wheat. Trust me, I know wheat!" (wtf?). The first 30 mins or so were quite good, but when it starts with the David stuff it gets a bit boring. The third act had none of the sense of dread as the fist film, although they tried. It didn't feel like Daniels or McBride were in any sort of danger. The alien looked fake as hell, and it barely managed to catch up with them. The sequence was so brief, it was almost completely unnecessary. They did a mistake of blending alien and prometheus together, it should have been one of the two.[/sp]
It's just overall a bit silly, and takes away from the seriousness of the classic alien films. But I guess we're stuck with it. I still enjoyed myself, but it's way inferior to what a true entry in the series should be.
Opening weekend box offices estimates are in for Covenant. I remember hearing people predict Covenant would do better at the box office than Prometheus since it had the Alien name behind it, but looks like it's instead set to open at about $15 million less than what Prometheus did
[url]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4294[/url]
on the bright side tho Covenant was made for $33 million less so it's not that big of a disappointment.
Prometheus didn't have to contend with a big Marvel movie iirc, so at least it's doing some good business
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52257748]Prometheus didn't have to contend with a big Marvel movie iirc, so at least it's doing some good business[/QUOTE]
Ye but it's not like it was that much in the way of competition since it's Guardians 3rd weekend at the box office. You'd think a new Alien film would do better but o well. These subsequent weekends are also gonna suck for Covenant thanks to Pirates of the Caribbean 5 and then Wonder Woman opening over the next two weeks. Prometheus had it easy in that regard with mostly shit movies opening after it.
Just seen it. I have to disagree with some of the bad reviews. I enjoyed it a lot and I really like the direction that they are heading with these new movies. [sp]Shifting the fear of the Aliens onto David feels very fresh and I'm eager to see what they will do next with him. We've gotten the first hint that he will tame(?) them or at least become something like their ruler.[/sp]
There were some really dumb moments like [sp]going without helmets onto the planet, sliding off TWICE on the blood and some hyper reaction decision making that felt a bit over the top[/sp] but other than that it was very enjoyable.
Some jump scares here and there, the older lady next to me freaked out when [sp]that Neomorph creature surprise-bit into the neck of the lady at the sink[/sp] and some really suspenseful moments. I was disappointed at the lack of practical effects OR some of the close shots were actually practical and I didn't notice.
I would give it a good 7/10.
Did anyone else realize that nothing from this trailer actually made it into the movie?
[video=youtube;d8LJSuO4aXA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA[/video]
Probably because of pacing. There were many scenes cut from the other trailers too. I really hope there will be a directors cut.
Here's hoping. He didn't do one for Prometheus, but The Martian eventually got an extended cut so who knows, right?
I hope so too. I think Covenant could benefit a lot from it, especially towards some of the underdeveloped characters.
I just realized something. They broke with the android naming convention in Alien: Covenant by naming it Walter. So now the two androids played by Michael Fassbender are David and Walter. The producers of the film, via Brandywine Productions are David Giler and Walter Hill. Interestingly enough, these were also the guys who came up with the suggestion that Ash should have been a robot.
If anyone was wondering why he's named Walter and not Erik or some E name, I guess there's the answer
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;52262605]I just realized something. They broke with the android naming convention in Alien: Covenant by naming it Walter. So now the two androids played by Michael Fassbender are David and Walter. The producers of the film, via Brandywine Productions are David Giler and Walter Hill. Interestingly enough, these were also the guys who came up with the suggestion that Ash should have been a robot.
If anyone was wondering why he's named Walter and not Erik or some E name, I guess there's the answer[/QUOTE]
There's a theory that Vickers in Prometheus is also an android, so the new progression could be V->W if true, but I kind of doubt it.
Just saw Covenant, and it's just kinda... meh. It's a generic Alien sequel welded together with a follow up to Prometheus. As someone who mispent his teenage years reading Alien comics and novels, I have seen this basic setup a dozen times. It does have some interesting bits[sp]primarily all of David's sinister shit. I like that he's decided he should be a creator like humans before him, and engineers before them, though his experiments being what resulted in the Xenomorph seems kind of lame. This shit is supposed to be ancient.[/sp]Oh well.
Also, about the ending,[sp]they could've cut the whole final alien sequence entirely and I wouldn't have missed it. Just have them return from the surface, fuck around for a scene or two, and then go to sleep the same way. It would've given them more time for more of that shit at the beginning that let us give a damn about a character beside Obvious Protagonist Woman and Danny McBride in a Hat.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Pax;52262917]There's a theory that Vickers in Prometheus is also an android, so the new progression could be V->W if true, but I kind of doubt it.
Just saw Covenant, and it's just kinda... meh. It's a generic Alien sequel welded together with a follow up to Prometheus. As someone who mispent his teenage years reading Alien comics and novels, I have seen this basic setup a dozen times. It does have some interesting bits[sp]primarily all of David's sinister shit. I like that he's decided he should be a creator like humans before him, and engineers before them, though his experiments being what resulted in the Xenomorph seems kind of lame. This shit is supposed to be ancient.[/sp]Oh well.
Also, about the ending,[sp]they could've cut the whole final alien sequence entirely and I wouldn't have missed it. Just have them return from the surface, fuck around for a scene or two, and then go to sleep the same way. It would've given them more time for more of that shit at the beginning that let us give a damn about a character beside Obvious Protagonist Woman and Danny McBride in a Hat.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I agree, the last part felt incredibly shoddily put together without much effort. It was such a drag and lacked any atmosphere, mostly because the character have no character development whatsoever.
Just got back from it and eh I enjoyed it. It wasn't amazing or anything like the first two granted but it at least didn't frustrate me like Prometheus did. Also regarding people's complaints about [sp]the scene where the captain followed david and did what he said and then ofc died, because he shouldn't have trusted david or whatever: Don't forget David's a Weyland android, made all the more obvious to the crew by him looking identical to Walter, so it's not that hard to believe people would fully trust him out of habit and not consider the possibility he's super-malfunctioning and murderous, and certainly not just because he was trying to chat up an alien a few moments prior. Just cause he was curious about the creature doesn't mean people should assume he'd try to feed them to one. the scene didn't bother me at least, unlike that worm petting scene from prometheus lol.[/sp] At least they finally tied shit into Alien some more and I like the whole [sp]'David created them' angle. It's a nice way to justify and give further significance to David's character, who is imo the highlight of both movies.[/sp] The ending [sp]was also incredibly predictable and I knew was coming from the moment David took such an interest in their description of their ships passenger count[/sp] but whatever, I'm still interested enough to check out the eventual sequel. Assuming of course Fox still greenlights it given right now Covenant's not doing all that great at the box office. also whatever happened with that supposedly confirmed rumor Fox kept demanding news sites not discuss that [sp]Daniels was actually a Ripley? I wonder if that's in a deleted scene since if prometheus is any indication I'm sure this one has a bunch of cut stuff[/sp].
overall i'd say probably like 7.5/10. also [sp]lmao at james franco's quick exit. he ended up mostly just hired for the promotional stuff[/sp]
My thoughts as well regarding the Captain and David. He could have never known that David was just playing with him.
They had some scenes planned like a food scene with James Franco before they went into hyper sleep but it was obviously cut to offer a better transition into the movie.
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