I mean... "admitting to getting braindead" sounds like intellectual elitism to me. I enjoy brilliantly written, intricate movies as well, but you can't just decide that movies that appeal to humans baser instincts, like the need for action and adventure, is somehow wrong just because it has less potential to be confusing. Like, you go into the theater understanding it's a work of fiction. If these movies were grounded in reality, none of them would ever happen and we'd just be watching documentaries and reenactments.
And frankly, when you're heading a multimillion dollar production with hundreds upon hundreds of people involved, you realize there's far too much going on to be realistically able to worry about every single aspect of the plot, when making changes to the script after it's gone into production could literally cost you millions of dollars more, just to say "well they probably actually would have done this"
This is basically the equivalent of arguing that pop music isn't music because it's too simple or it's not original, even though it makes the most money and it's the most lucrative genre of music.
Most people have enough to worry about in their day to day lives that they simply don't care, they just want something quick to enjoy where they can kick back and relax for a few hours instead of having to critically analyze every aspect of the character arcs and plot development.
Like, just relax man, it's a movie.
[QUOTE=Killuah;48003974]
and also don't you think that there is something wrong when you feel the need to shut off your brain to enjoy something?[/QUOTE]
No, there isn't. Because sometimes I just don't want to put in effort. Sometimes I just want to sit down and watch something that doesn't make sense when you think about it.
well I guess then that's exactly what you got
[editline]19th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Biscuit-Boy;48004022]I mean... "admitting to getting braindead" sounds like intellectual elitism to me. I enjoy brilliantly written, intricate movies as well, but you can't just decide that movies that appeal to humans baser instincts, like the need for action and adventure, is somehow wrong just because it has less potential to be confusing. Like, you go into the theater understanding it's a work of fiction. If these movies were grounded in reality, none of them would ever happen and we'd just be watching documentaries and reenactments.
And frankly, when you're heading a multimillion dollar production with hundreds upon hundreds of people involved, you realize there's far too much going on to be realistically able to worry about every single aspect of the plot, when making changes to the script after it's gone into production could literally cost you millions of dollars more, just to say "well they probably actually would have done this"
This is basically the equivalent of arguing that pop music isn't music because it's too simple or it's not original, even though it makes the most money and it's the most lucrative genre of music.
Most people have enough to worry about in their day to day lives that they simply don't care, they just want something quick to enjoy where they can kick back and relax for a few hours instead of having to critically analyze every aspect of the character arcs and plot development.
Like, just relax man, it's a movie.[/QUOTE]
I can't tell people what to do, I'm just disapointed.
Less potential to be confusing is not the same as "nothing makes sense because people and writers don't care"
Actually it's the opposite.
[quote]Most people have enough to worry about in their day to day lives that they simply don't care, they just want something quick to enjoy where they can kick back and relax for a few hours instead of having to critically analyze every aspect of the character arcs and plot development.[/quote]
I'm not saying that. You are exagerating my point so you can attack the exageration.
I'm saying it should at least make sense.
Look at the Dark Knight movies.
First 2, perfectly fine entertainment.
3rd one Batman paint a giant fire bat onto a bridge and practices bomb shooting in the middle of an empty town where all criminals search for him
[sp]the fat guy that wanted to sell raptors as weapons and the british secretary [/sp] should have swapped deaths
[QUOTE=LDragon;47991400]Oh, I wasn't really complaining about the explosions. I simply had the sudden realisation that, as a Hollywood franchise, [i]Jurassic Park[/i] has been practically kaboom-free up to now.[/QUOTE]
You haven't seen The Lost World then, have you?
My favorite moment was the cynical guy on the wall separating the parts of the island going "[i]that's a first[/i]" when all of a sudden this old ass ancient Jurassic Park jeep driven by kids comes barreling out of the woods.
It was silly, but at the same time probably the most authentic and real reaction of the movie.
The movie was fun, but I'm not the kind of person who can "turn their brain off" and enjoy something when there are clear inconsistencies or extremely idiotic decisions being made right in front of me.
[sp]I mean, seriously? The park didn't have a plan for evacuation? Were they that confident in their containment methods that even after the disasters of Jurassic Park they wouldn't have a cruise ship on call to do a full evacuation of the park? Just tell everyone that they all will get life-time passes to the park, but they have to run a test-evacuation to test the evacuation facilities. That's beyond ridiculous. Also, deciding not to kill your 26 million dollar dino when you already own and operate a multi billion dollar park is fucking retarded. Just the staff members that were killed alone would be more than 26 million dollars in law-suits.[/sp]
To many, this will seem like nit-picking, but to me it means that the writers were lazy, and they pandered to the lowest common denominator to create [I]more dinosaurs eating people[/I] scenes.
[sp]damn that assistant lady's death stuck with me for some reason. it seems like it was for a lot of other people here too. i think the reason is we all expected her to live because pg-13 films dont usually just suddenly kill supporting characters like that, especially those that innocent. the death was also pretty drawn out and brutal. i throughly enjoyed the rest of the movie though. i liked the two main kids and claire turned into a badass which was unexpected [/sp]
[sp]the assistant's death made me think of jaws, with the way they set up the mosasaurus to come up and grab her like the poster[/sp]
Best character in the movie was [sp]the one security guard with the shotgun who sacrificed himself to save the wounded guard and the other guards[/sp]
In an interview Trevorrow stated that the current movie is his directors cut. The first cut was like 134 minutes and then they cut 10 minutes which were just some additional scenes about the park.
He did cut a rather important scene where [sp]the dialogue between Masrani and Wu was extended. Wu asked Masrani how long the control of the dinosaurs will go on and if he (Masrani) realizes that the creation of the dinosaurs won't be solely restricted to the JW scientists anymore. Others will start making their own ones too and they will most likely not use them in theme parks. [/sp]
Random thoughts:
1. I can't really figure out why they tried to make it seem as though Claire focusing on running the [I]Dinosaur[/I] Park with [I]Incredibly Dangerous Dinosaurs[/I] built upon the site of a [I]Deadly Dinosaur[/I] disaster that has already had two [I] Dinosaurs[/I] out of control before the movie even starts as a horrible, terrible thing to be ashamed of.
2. The scene with [sp]the old visitor's center[/sp]. That was neat but I don't think it really accomplished anything to the overall narrative that couldn't have been done without just showing the kids walking.
3. For a scene where dinosaurs have escaped and are terrorizing the people on main street, it seems to be calm enough for [sp]Claire and Owen to kiss[/sp] and for half of the remaining cast members to look around watching.
4. When [sp]raptors invade the visitors center [/sp]how the hell did they get there without anyone noticing? There were armed guards evacuating and [sp]removing the genetic data[/sp] no more than 30 seconds before the 4 people got there.
5. Is it just me or could this whole plot have been avoided if someone at this dinosaur zoo had a dinosaur tranq or if the security guard had done his job and watched the dinosaur he was in charge of watching?
6. Owen's partner. Did they ever show what happened to him after surviving the attack by [sp]the raptors[/sp]?
7. So this multi million dollar operation with it's own armed force more or less only has one helicopter pilot and a soldier who knows nothing about target leading?
[editline]6.23-6/21/15[/editline]
But wait there's more!
8. They go through the thing about how "people have become bored with dinosaurs." Unless 20,000 people is a small number for their dinosaur zoo/theme park, there's no indication anywhere that this is true. Everyone, even the teenager who could care less about dinosaurs, is amazed by Jurassic World.
9. How is it that only one person on the entire island knows what I Rex is made out of? If you ask me the fact that your dinosaur is Half-Raptor, Half-T. Rex, Half-Fish, Half-Man, Half-Bear, Half-Pig would be thing you'd at least be putting on the exhibit sign.
[QUOTE=teddthebucfan;48020335]Random thoughts:
1. I can't really figure out why they tried to make it seem as though Claire focusing on running the [I]Dinosaur[/I] Park with [I]Incredibly Dangerous Dinosaurs[/I] built upon the site of a [I]Deadly Dinosaur[/I] disaster that has already had two [I] Dinosaurs[/I] out of control before the movie even starts as a horrible, terrible thing to be ashamed of.
2. The scene with [sp]the old visitor's center[/sp]. That was neat but I don't think it really accomplished anything to the overall narrative that couldn't have been done without just showing the kids walking.
3. For a scene where dinosaurs have escaped and are terrorizing the people on main street, it seems to be calm enough for [sp]Claire and Owen to kiss[/sp] and for half of the remaining cast members to look around watching.
4. When [sp]raptors invade the visitors center [/sp]how the hell did they get there without anyone noticing? There were armed guards evacuating and [sp]removing the genetic data[/sp] no more than 30 seconds before the 4 people got there.
5. Is it just me or could this whole plot have been avoided if someone at this dinosaur zoo had a dinosaur tranq or if the security guard had done his job and watched the dinosaur he was in charge of watching?
6. Owen's partner. Did they ever show what happened to him after surviving the attack by [sp]the raptors[/sp]?
7. So this multi million dollar operation with it's own armed force more or less only has one helicopter pilot and a soldier who knows nothing about target leading?[/QUOTE]
Owen's partner (Barry) is [sp]seen in the triage center at the end.[/sp]
Watched it in IMAX and half an hour in I was just waiting for the movie to be over. There was a lot of flash, but nothing interesting me to care about anything that was happening. [sp]I felt bad for Xara though, that death was pretty horrific.[/sp]
Watched this today, it was fucking awesome and I loved every scene involving Indominus Rex.
Sure the plot had faults and some points made little sense but I'm no ultra movie critic and I doubt I could come up with something better myself. And sincerely, I didn't watch 1, Lost World and 3 for the plot, I watched them because FUCK YEAH DINOSAURS, and this is valid to this movie as well.
As far as I'm concerned, Jurassic World is a pretty damn solid sequel to the original and a far better movie than Lost World and 3 combined. [sp]And holy shit, the assistant lady's death was far more brutal than she deserved, it took me completely by surprise[/sp].
[QUOTE=OluapPlayer;48021253]
As far as I'm concerned, Jurassic World is a pretty damn solid sequel to the original and a far better movie than Lost World and 3 combined. [sp]And holy shit, the assistant lady's death was far more brutal than she deserved, it took me completely by surprise[/sp].[/QUOTE]
[sp]I couldn't help but think during that scene "Haha Morgana got rekt. Referring to a character Katie McGrath played in another TV series, one who was an absolute bitch with an annoying as fuck evil smirk[/sp]
[QUOTE=OluapPlayer;48021253]And sincerely, I didn't watch 1, Lost World and 3 for the plot, I watched them because FUCK YEAH DINOSAURS, and this is valid to this movie as well.[/QUOTE]
this is the problem. spielberg doesn't make movies for fuck yeah moments, he makes them for plot and characters. jurassic world spits on this while attempting to cover up with FUCK YEAH DINOSAURS.
As soon as i saw the ingen guys in the tall grass I knew it was over haha, didn't they learn from the last group of mercs that did that with raptors on the prowl
DON'T GO INTO THE LONG GRASS!
Is it just me, or was the plot twist that [sp]the Indominus has Raptor DNA[/sp] painfully obvious from the start? I mean, as soon as they said it was a hybrid, my mind immediately jumped to that conclusion.
this movie was dumb. like, really, really stupid. it borders on prometheus levels of insanity.
[sp]why would you make a dinosaur that could hide itself if you wanted it to be a tourist attraction
why would the mosasaurus be able to just jump on the walkway, where are any kinds of safety mechanisms to prevent this
why did the movie focus so much on chris pratts boring one dimensional mary sue character
why was Claire still wearing high heels anywhere near the end of this movie
who would actually scream "it can camoflaaaaaauge" in the face of certain death by monster teeth, was it to explain the fact that the dinosaur could camoflauge? that was obvious enough
why did it set up all these neat but nonsensical abilities for the indominus and never bring them up again after one time
whyyyyy[/sp]
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;48022990]this movie was dumb. like, really, really stupid. it borders on prometheus levels of insanity.
[sp]why would you make a dinosaur that could hide itself if you wanted it to be a tourist attraction[/sp][/QUOTE]
Because it was [sp]using cuttlefish DNA for growth and the camouflage was a side effect[/sp]
[QUOTE=AlienCreature;48022542]Is it just me, or was the plot twist that [sp]the Indominus has Raptor DNA[/sp] painfully obvious from the start? I mean, as soon as they said it was a hybrid, my mind immediately jumped to that conclusion.[/QUOTE]
I was really hoping they'd explain the 'hunting for sport' thing by saying it had human DNA because that would have been absolutely fucking hilarious
[QUOTE=Dissolution;48023720]I was really hoping they'd explain the 'hunting for sport' thing by saying it had human DNA because that would have been absolutely fucking hilarious[/QUOTE]
It was trying to find out it's limits by killing everything it sees.
Saw it. It was silly, but fun. [sp] Goddamn T-Rex and Blue broing it up. [/sp]
[QUOTE=joost1120;48023810]It was trying to find out it's limits by killing everything it sees.[/QUOTE]
the point the movie made about 'raising it in a tiny enclosure fucked it up in the head' was a good enough answer for me.
also it ate it's sibling when they both hatched around the same time, right? like right at the first scene with the eggs? the wiki (i hate to admit i looked at the wikia for this movie) seems to say that they like, added the sibling into its paddock much later on, which makes no sense to me
[QUOTE=Citizen Insane;48024641][URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/jurassic-worlds-unintentionally-very-racist-line-is-stunning-audiences-10328121.html[/URL]
I'm sorry, what?[/QUOTE]
Wow that's quite a reach.
They've been referred to as "Pachys" since The Lost World when InGen was trying to round them up on Sorna.
who needs to do research into these things when we can just shout racism at the top of our lungs with every slight trigger
Bit of a stretch, isn't it?
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Jurassic World (2015)
