Goddamn what a great show, and a great finale. [sp]Gus redeems himself, Molly gets the chief position she was slated for before Vern died, Lester dies of his own overconfidence (nicely echoing the end of the movie), and Lorne gets taken down by the last person he expected. Brilliant.[/sp]
This show MUST take home some Emmys for this year. For cinematography, at the minimum.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;45140197]Goddamn what a great show, and a great finale. [sp]Gus redeems himself, Molly gets the chief position she was slated for before Vern died, Lester dies of his own overconfidence (nicely echoing the end of the movie), and Lorne gets taken down by the last person he expected. Brilliant.[/sp]
This show MUST take home some Emmys for this year. For cinematography, at the minimum.[/QUOTE]
It'll probably be in a miniseries. And I think True Detective should get the award for cinematography to be honest. There were some out of this world shots in that.
I gotta say, the finale was perfect
[sp]The way they played us was great, i noticed a lot of misdirection there, with Molly leaving to go to Lester's house, the way they showed Malvo patching up his wound, it was all perfect.
I Really liked the final fate of each character too, Malvo never got his revenge, Lester never got away free but at the same time didn't have the easy way out by being killed by Malvo, and Gus managed to be the hero.
I got sad that Pepper and Budge died though, i really liked the two.[/sp]
And for Season 2, what are the chances of it being[sp]Sioux Falls and whatever it is that was after Lou[/sp]?
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Also, what was the answer for that question?
[QUOTE=Fosax;45140232]Also, what was the answer for that question?[/QUOTE]
[sp]We can see more shades of green than any other colour because we're predators.[/sp]
I dunno if [sp]the Sioux Falls incident[/sp] would be a good season two, I kinda like it being ominous and shrouded in mystery. But I dunno, I trust Noah Hawley at this point.
eh, kinda disappointed that [sp] Lorne died. I liked the image of him as an untouchable, unstoppable force of nature. I hope future seasons (if any) follow his work before s1 [/sp]
[sp]so sad that both lorne and lester died. but it had to happen. although I could have seen either one of them getting away happening. but not both. amazing finale though.[/sp]
[sp] Lorne's death was pretty spooky, for a second I thought it was gonna go supernatural. Still think he was the embodiment of evil. The credits using the theme from the film is such a great touch, gave me goosebumps [/sp]
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45140834][sp] Lorne's death was pretty spooky, for a second I thought it was gonna go supernatural. Still think he was the embodiment of evil. The credits using the theme from the film is such a great touch, gave me goosebumps [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The way he just like, growled like a wolf at him as he died before Gus plopped two more shots in his head. Beautiful.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;45140851][sp]The way he just like, growled like a wolf at him as he died before Gus plopped two more shots in his head. Beautiful.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] I like to think he was laughing at Gus' arrogance, thinking he could stop him. Malvo was a force of nature, there will always be a version of him somewhere. I think the show drew influence from No Country For Old Men in that regard, Chigurh and Malvo are two sides of the same coin. [/sp]
[sp] legit thought for a second that malvo wasn't going to die [/sp]
[sp]The way Lester went was very fitting. He was running on thin ice the whole series.[/sp]
Also, you guys think that [sp]when Malvo was dragging the FBI bodies behind the firewood and one of the agents lost his shoe, revealing just the sock, an allusion to the movie with the food in the woodchipper?[/sp]
I really didn't understand Molly's story about the gloves. Anyone got an explanation?
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I really didn't understand Molly's story about the gloves. Anyone got an explanation?[/QUOTE]
The way i saw it:
[sp]Lester is the man, and the gloves represent his situation, he dropped the first glove by accident when he made Hess get killed by Malvo and then everything that came afterwards, he could have dropped the second one and helped the police, he would have no gloves meaning he would incriminate himself, but he would have helped someone else, which would be his "redemption" in a sort of way, or he could have kept it to himself by not saying anything, thus making it so that no one got the gloves, meaning that he's not helping anyone since Malvo was still after him.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Fosax;45144275]The way i saw it:
[sp]Lester is the man, and the gloves represent his situation, he dropped the first glove by accident when he made Hess get killed by Malvo and then everything that came afterwards, he could have dropped the second one and helped the police, he would have no gloves meaning he would incriminate himself, but he would have helped someone else, which would be his "redemption" in a sort of way, or he could have kept it to himself by not saying anything, thus making it so that no one got the gloves, meaning that he's not helping anyone since Malvo was still after him.[/sp][/QUOTE]
nah I think the gloves were [sp]Lester and Malvo - she had to drop one to find the other [/sp]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45143564]
Also, you guys think that [sp]when Malvo was dragging the FBI bodies behind the firewood and one of the agents lost his shoe, revealing just the sock, an allusion to the movie with the food in the woodchipper?[/sp]
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That, and the fact that the he was staying at looked a lot like the cabin the kidnappers stayed at in the movie, despite the different paint job.
This is the kind of stuff that makes me wanna get into the TV business.
For anyone interested, AV Club has released an interview with Noah Hawley [url=http://www.avclub.com/article/fargo-showrunner-noah-hawley-takes-us-through-show-205847]that takes you through the first season[/url], whilst Nerdist has released a [url=http://www.nerdist.com/pepisode/nerdist-writers-panel-145-noah-hawley-and-fargo/]recording of a panel with Noah.[/url]
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45140866][sp] I like to think he was laughing at Gus' arrogance, thinking he could stop him. Malvo was a force of nature, there will always be a version of him somewhere. I think the show drew influence from No Country For Old Men in that regard, Chigurh and Malvo are two sides of the same coin. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Fargo isn't a supernatural show, just like how Fargo the movie was one of the Coen brother's least supernatural works.
Lorne Malvo thought VERY highly of himself, and he was deluded, but he was so charismatic that he made everyone buy into his delusions.[/sp]
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45144961]nah I think the gloves were [sp]Lester and Malvo - she had to drop one to find the other [/sp][/QUOTE]
I kinda like Fosax's explanation a bit more
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[QUOTE=Zuimzado;45145500]This is the kind of stuff that makes me wanna get into the TV business.
For anyone interested, AV Club has released an interview with Noah Hawley [url=http://www.avclub.com/article/fargo-showrunner-noah-hawley-takes-us-through-show-205847]that takes you through the first season[/url], whilst Nerdist has released a [url=http://www.nerdist.com/pepisode/nerdist-writers-panel-145-noah-hawley-and-fargo/]recording of a panel with Noah.[/url][/QUOTE]
I think this little tidbit explains the Chief and the African boy
[quote]At the beginning of every episode, it says, “This is a true story,” which, of course, it’s not. But when you say something’s true, it gives you the leeway to tell a story in a different way. You don’t have to follow that Joseph Campbell hero’s journey. In fact, if you do, it doesn’t feel real. In that first meeting with FX, I said, “What we have to figure out is what is our Mike Yanagita,” who is the guy from high school who calls Marge out of the blue and turns out to be nuts, and you’re like, “Why is this in the movie?” But it’s in the movie, in my opinion, because it’s one of those details where you’re like, “Well, they wouldn’t put it in the movie unless it really happened. It has nothing to do with anything.” So that was the issue for us: On the one hand, what are those digressions, those scenes or moments that could only be in there because they actually happened, because otherwise you wouldn’t put them in the show? [/quote]
Hopefully the next season doesn't have so many Parables.
I liked them this season, because it fit the theme, but it might get old next season.
When every monologue begins with something like: "Did you ever hear the story of the burned racoon?" or "A man gets into his car and realizes he forgets his pumperknickle."
Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
Re gloves: [sp]What I think it meant was that that she's given up on Lester. Because whoever finds one glove, gets both of them. She knows finding Lorne will implicate Lester too. And it did, with his tapes. Catch one, catch both. It could also go for Malvo giving away himself and lester. You caught my glove, have lesters too.[/sp]
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;45140866][sp] I like to think he was laughing at Gus' arrogance, thinking he could stop him. Malvo was a force of nature, there will always be a version of him somewhere. I think the show drew influence from No Country For Old Men in that regard, Chigurh and Malvo are two sides of the same coin. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I think Malvo was grinning because he thought Gus didn't have the guts to make a clean kill, which is why he looked a little bewildered once Gus finally plugged him. He really thought very highly of himself, I don't think he honestly expected Gus to kill him, even as he was drawing his last breath.
The glove metaphor. Lester incriminated himself the moment he got involved with Malvo (where he dropped the first glove) As the situation unfolds and Lorne draws away from it, Lester thinks he can put everything back together nice and neat and figure it all out by himself and return to normalcy even if that's completely impossible. He wants so badly to be in control of the situation that if anybody else tries to get involved, even for a benevolent reason (Vern, Molly, etc.) he's gonna push them away because he wants to be in control (He keeps clutching the remaining glove because he can't let go of what's his, no matter how useless it is to him). If he would just confess, (and drop the glove back on the tracks for someone else to find) the police could've caught Malvo right away and prevented a lot of deaths, actually pretty much everyone in the series. The longer he keeps the truth to himself, the more fucked up the situation gets and the less chance he'll get out with a positive ending (the longer he clutches that glove, the farther away the train gets, and the less likely anyone is to put the pair back together).
Also I find it kind of funny how despite all his talk of "the old Lester," Lester's story ended exactly how it began, as a broken-nosed coward running from the truth. Also interesting is the potential comparison with Lester's big red coat and the red fish in the "you're right and they're wrong" poster.[/sp]
Malvo laughed because [sp]he destroys innocence. He had plagued Gus' mind so much that Gus wanted Malvo dead. He reviles in the loss of innocence he leaves in his wake.[/sp]
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Also I find it kind of funny how despite all his talk of "the old Lester," Lester's story ended exactly how it began, as a broken-nosed coward running from the truth. Also interesting is the potential comparison with Lester's big red coat and the red fish in the "you're right and they're wrong" poster.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Oh shit, I never noticed that.
They have so much in-show symbolism, it's hard to keep track of it all. It's amazing.
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Also, I can't watch The Hobbit anymore without thinking Bilbo is Lester and plotting against everyone :v:
Don't forget that Lester ended up on pretty thin ice. [sp]Literally[/sp].
[Sp]I just think it's rad that police snowmobiles are a thing[/sp]
Had to be Gus
[QUOTE=Rusty100;45153185]Malvo laughed because [sp]he destroys innocence. He had plagued Gus' mind so much that Gus wanted Malvo dead. He reviles in the loss of innocence he leaves in his wake.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I don't think [sp]Gus really lost any 'innocence'. In that regard, I consider losing one's innocence to be turned evil like how Malvo liked to turn others, like Lester. But Gus? He didn't turn evil, he did something good - killed the source of the evil.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45156784]I don't think [sp]Gus really lost any 'innocence'. In that regard, I consider losing one's innocence to be turned evil like how Malvo liked to turn others, like Lester. But Gus? He didn't turn evil, he did something good - killed the source of the evil.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I think Malvo genuinely believed he was the devil, and so when he got shot and didn't die, he was like "I'm immortal, you cannot kill me! You just fucked u-", and then was shot in the face.[/sp]
That was an incredibly satisfying season finale, and a great conclusion to a fantastic series.
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