Netflix - Making A Murderer (The story of a grievous miscarriage of American justice) - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Chryssa;49559158]This happened just miles from where I live. Don't believe the documentary I recommend digging into the true way it played out. The film wants to sway you and ..... it has with so many ppl.[/QUOTE] so based on the grand evidentiary findings of what exactly are you basing this on? are cops literally incapable of making mistakes, holding grudges, or being bad people in some peoples minds?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49557318]Nothing about the timeline or circumstances surrounding Halbach's murder adds up, though. Granted, I haven't finished the entire documentary yet, so I may be missing some crucial piece of information that hasn't come to light, but the narrative presented by the prosecution is not backed up by any physical evidence whatsoever, their interview techniques are highly unprofessional and leading, every key piece of evidence is shown to have been mishandled or tampered with, the defense attorney for Brendan was outright working [I]against[/I] his client... This is one of the most bizarre and disgusting abortions of justice I've ever seen. At this point, even if Steven Avery [I]did[/I] kill Theresa Halbach, it is clear beyond a reasonable doubt that he is [I]not[/I] getting a "fair trial" in any sense of the word, and that the Manitowoc County sheriff's department has, at the very least, influenced the evidence against Steven Avery, if not outright planted evidence in an attempt to secure a conviction. The most recent and shocking revelation was that one of the officers directly deposed in the lawsuit called in Theresa Halbach's vehicle two days before it was found, reading off the plate number. Upon hearing it belonged to the missing woman, Theresa Halbach, he confirmed the make and model, and then radio silence. Forensic evidence placed her blood and hair in the back of that vehicle, meaning her body was most likely in the back of that vehicle. Her body being placed back into that vehicle does not fit anywhere in the timeline or narrative of how Steven supposedly killed her or disposed of her.[/QUOTE] I don't think he got a fair trial, I agree, but when looked into his history and actual personality, it does start gluing some of those pieces together. Hence why the documentary never really touches on Steven Avery personally. Because he's got quite a few problems mentally, which hurts the argument of "Why would he do X because of Y?" [editline]19th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49553899] Can you show the motive and evidence that shows he was actually 1) harrassing her before hand 2) she was actually scared to go there I don't tend to trust TV shows all that much but you're going to have to show some evidence there[/QUOTE] It's not hard. She told quite a few people including her friends and boss that she was afraid to go back to the Avery property after she did a first time. I can't remember who testified about it in court but it's part of the full trial. From what was apparently going on beforehand, Avery clearly had an odd fixation on her. That gives him a hell of a lot more of a motive than anybody else that was a part of this case which the subject, again, the documentary made sure to avoid like the plague.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;49561510]I don't think he got a fair trial, I agree, but when looked into his history and actual personality, it does start gluing some of those pieces together. Hence why the documentary never really touches on Steven Avery personally. Because he's got quite a few problems mentally, which hurts the argument of "Why would he do X because of Y?" [editline]19th January 2016[/editline] It's not hard. She told quite a few people including her friends and boss that she was afraid to go back to the Avery property after she did a first time. I can't remember who testified about it in court but it's part of the full trial. From what was apparently going on beforehand, Avery clearly had an odd fixation on her. That gives him a hell of a lot more of a motive than anybody else that was a part of this case which the subject, again, the documentary made sure to avoid like the plague.[/QUOTE] Wasn't the defense limited from arguing that someone else did it from the get go? So how could they ever even attempt to show that in the trial? Wasn't her ex bf linked to her death through something or other?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49561593]Wasn't the defense limited from arguing that someone else did it from the get go? So how could they ever even attempt to show that in the trial? Wasn't her ex bf linked to her death through something or other?[/QUOTE] It was kinda fishy her ex boyfriend guessed her username and password to me. But other than that I think they just argued he should be further examined just because he's her ex boyfriend, who are often strong suspects. But I mean, at the end of the day, when the last guy a murdered woman has talked to is the same person who's already previously scared the shit out of her and appeared to be targeting her already, I can see why he'd be the more suspicious suspect. Him buying chains/handcuffs in roughly the same timeframe as when he started contacting her doesn't help either.

This show is extremely embarrassing for my country :v:

Just finished watching the series this morning. What a ride! It was very gripping, but I think it could have been shorter, the last few episodes were especially tedious as I had no doubts over what the verdict would be. All these people jumping to conclusions over the ex boyfriend really serve to remind me of how this injustice began, and also the reason the documentary really glossed over the type of people the Avery's are. They're uneducated hicks collectively hated by the town, the type of people everyone expects to be rapists and murderers, so much so that the false conviction was not only possible, but unsurprising. It's in our nature to be discriminatory, but even when being shown the proof of a grave injustice due to discrimination based entirely on looks and simple emotions, apparently we can't help but jump to conclusions about another man without any real evidence at all. I have no doubt that if the documentary showed us more of the family's personal lives, the majority opinion would not be that he's innocent, because they're kinda gross white trash that a professional investigator being hired to defend one of them regarded as 'some form of evil', with the devil in them.

Halbach's videotape is creepy as fuck, what is even the context for that. She is talking about love like she is rolling on MDMA

[QUOTE=Tacooo;49580533]Halbach's videotape is creepy as fuck, what is even the context for that. She is talking about love like she is rolling on MDMA[/QUOTE] I couldn't watch that video without being reminded of the video in American Beauty where she talks about wanting to kill her dad. Like, I'm certain they both have the same line about 'being happy'. Made it super weird for me

I found her brothers determination that it was Avery, and no one else, and nothing else, to be as disturbing as anything in the show. It's just gross to me to be that sure of something that you really can't be.

The court case was so one sided, the defense lawyers were slick as fuck and the prosecution had literally nothing [sp] there was no fucking blood then in his closing statement he still said she was killed in the garage [/sp] they had literally no proof lol

[QUOTE=Tacooo;49584993]The court case was so one sided, the defense lawyers were slick as fuck and the prosecution had literally nothing [sp] there was no fucking blood then in his closing statement he still said she was killed in the garage [/sp] they had literally no proof lol[/QUOTE] I finished the show with the impression that Brendan was innocent, but I wasn't really convinced that Steven didn't kill her somehow, or at least was involved. I don't know for sure what happened to her because all the evidence was seemingly manipulated somehow, and I think that was the worst thing. Neither party had investigated to find the truth, the defense were focussed on proving police corruption and the police were certain very quickly that Avery was involved and worked backwards from that conclusion. Even if you don't believe anything was planted, which is difficult since [sp]the Halbach vehicle was called in days prior to being found, and the Avery yard has a crusher that you would assume they would use instead of leaving evidence on their property, also the keys appearing after days of searching when Manitowoc County PD was left searching unsupervised[/sp] but if you don't believe the actual evidence was tampered with, you still have to acknowledge the obvious prejudice and tunnel vision. Most importantly, as you and BDA have stated, the police timeline doesn't make sense and lacks supporting evidence. I want to know the truth more than anything, the prosecution failed to adequately explain events, so the jury should have had doubt, forcing the state to either find new evidence that incriminated Avery, or start building a case against someone else, depending on the facts of the matter.

Honestly, what pisses me off on a much deeper level here is the "case" against Brendan Dassey, not Steven Avery. Here you have a mentally challenged teenager strongarmed into a series of increasingly convoluted and conflicting "confessions" during the course of several 4+ hour interviews with police officers without the presence of his parents or a lawyer, and then, making matters even worse, the lawyer he [I]is[/I] ultimately assigned was not just actively working against his own client, but was working [I]directly with the prosecution[/I] to build a stronger case to secure conviction. How the fuck wasn't this guy disbarred? How wasn't he [I]arrested and charged?[/I] Is that not incredibly illegal, conspiring against your own client? Even more confusingly, how was this not [I]immediate[/I] grounds for a mistrial? How is that, years later, with all this evidence out in the open, Brendan is [I]still[/I] having his appeals denied for a new trial?

Because Small Town PoPo™ ain't paying [I]anybody[/I] 36 million dollars. Bear in mind not too far away an officer in the same type of town setup was recently acquitted for gunning down an unarmed man who was too drunk to understand her literally shrieking commands to lay down and put his hands on his head. In many areas these folks are essentially a federally/municipally empowered gang with badges, and they act like it. To say the investigation of one was tainted immediately strengthens the appeal of the other. Not happening.

[QUOTE=27X;49617668]Because Small Town PoPo™ ain't paying [I]anybody[/I] 36 million dollars. Bear in mind not too far away an officer in the same type of town setup was recently acquitted for gunning down an unarmed man who was too drunk to understand her literally shrieking commands to lay down and put his hands on his head. In many areas these folks are essentially a federally/municipally empowered gang with badges, and they act like it. To say the investigation of one was tainted immedaitely strengthens the appeal of the other. Not happening.[/QUOTE] Didn't Avery give up his right to pursue that lawsuit so he could get some quick cash for his defense? Then again if he got out he might be able to open up a new one due to all the terrible shit.

I mentioned it the other day on the TV thread, this docu-series is fantastic, but extremely rage-inducing. [QUOTE=MedicWine;49561771]This show is extremely embarrassing for my country :v:[/QUOTE] Just be thankful you don't live in the middle of Bumfuck, Wisconsin... with a hillbilly law enforcement, hillbilly judges and a hillbilly jury. [editline]28th January 2016[/editline] Also, FUCK Ken Kratz. He's the biggest cunt ever.

Ken Kratz is that type of cunt in high school who would snitch to teachers over the pettiest shit, like one of the most punchable faces ive seen I think honestly Avery is innocent, the timeline and evidence just doesn't add up and the fact Brendan is behind bars over a crime he was forced to forge to let the police officers stop harassing him is extremely upsetting

Ok, so I have yet to even watch 5mins of episode 1, but I've heard a lot to have interest. I'm not heavily prepared to discuss, but I came in to the thread to share an interesting conspiracy theory I heard on my favorite morning radio show (WAAF Hillman Morning show, Boston). [url=http://media.waaf.com/a/112667140/making-a-murderer-detective-john-a-cameron.htm]This retired detective by the name of John A. Cameron wrote a book on serial killer Edward Wayne Edwards, that was notorious for framing murders[/url]. The crazy fuck devoted his life to, and got immense pleasure from, framing people for his murders. It was all only brought to attention when he admitted to some of them. Cameron believes Edwards [I]may have[/I] been involved given his nature. Complete bullshit, or does this theory have some grounds? Had me compelled at the time I was listening.