Twin Peaks - That show you like is going to come back in style
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[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52651037]Dick Laurent is dead.
I really don't get people who are complaining about the finale. What did you expect? David Lynch's most popular and best loved film is a mindfuck with no clear ending or meaning - people still debate the meaning of it to this day (I'm talking about Mulholland Drive here). What makes everyone think you're going to be able to decipher 18 episodes worth of content in a few days? Let it simmer for a while, I'm sure in a few years it will sit better with everyone.
If you honestly expected Twin Peaks to be wrapped with a neat little bow then you're an idiot, quite frankly. This is the man that does things like this quite frequently:
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I still think Parts 8 and 16 are some of the best episodes of any television program ever, the finale was good but nothing can beat those too. Part 8 was just amazing. a straight 10.[/QUOTE]
See, your complaints are the exact type of comment I was talking about. Mulholland Drive DOES have a clear ending, as it is obviously a dream, and even a clear meaning, warning about the Diane's decisions making her hate herself and her choices because she couldn't let go and was chasing a false reality. And even then, I'm talking about [B]emotional[/B] catharsis. I don't need a Jumping Man origin story or even an explanation for why [sp]Diane was so randomly extremely important for the last hour.[/sp] Did I ask for a happy ending where they all eat cherry pie at the diner? No! I wanted an ending that didn't make me ask why I bothered to watch any of it in the first place. And you speaking to the quality of specific episodes is exactly my point that yeah, some of it was amazing visuals and contained storytelling. But as an overall season of an entire television show, it failed to tie the [I]theming[/I] in any manner. I don't need years of digestion to see that.
I loved all of season 3. Hell, I like it more than the first 2 seasons and FWWM.
[QUOTE=antair;52651110]See, your complaints are the exact type of comment I was talking about. Mulholland Drive DOES have a clear ending, as it is obviously a dream, and even a clear meaning, warning about the Diane's decisions making her hate herself and her choices because she couldn't let go and was chasing a false reality. And even then, I'm talking about [B]emotional[/B] catharsis. I don't need a Jumping Man origin story or even an explanation for why [sp]Diane was so randomly extremely important for the last hour.[/sp] Did I ask for a happy ending where they all eat cherry pie at the diner? [B]No! I wanted an ending that didn't make me ask why I bothered to watch any of it in the first place. And you speaking to the quality of specific episodes is exactly my point that yeah, some of it was amazing visuals and contained storytelling.[/B] But as an overall season of an entire television show, it failed to tie the [I]theming[/I] in any manner. I don't need years of digestion to see that.[/QUOTE]
Then you didn't waste any time watching it, did you? You can't discount 16 hours of material you enjoyed because you didn't like the last 2 hours.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52651211]Then you didn't waste any time watching it, did you? You can't discount 16 hours of material you enjoyed because you didn't like the last 2 hours.[/QUOTE]
At this point it's different strokes for different folks. For example, Mass Effect 3's ending ruined the entire franchise for me and I won't touch any of those games again. I'm not really a "journey is better than the destination" person, and I believe works should be looked at as a completed whole. Even Lynch said it's meant to be an 18 hour movie.
[QUOTE=antair;52650721]You can call me "Lynched" or whatever, but he's never done anything with such overly bleak nihilism (besides maybe Inland Empire) and arguably even disdain for the audience. I am frankly completely dissapointed.[/QUOTE]
I really don't think lynch has any disdain for his audience. It's more likely he went for an ending that he felt was the most appropriate rather than the most satisfying.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52651037]If you honestly expected Twin Peaks to be wrapped with a neat little bow then you're an idiot, quite frankly.[/QUOTE]
Please, lets not turn this into an elitist circlejerk thread. Twin Peaks was my entryway to David Lynch's work and I didn't necessarily know what I was getting into or understand why he does the stuff he does. That doesn't mean that at the time, I was an "idiot" for being confused. That makes me not used to Lynch's work, which is not traditional or expected.
The ending isn't straightforward but did anyone expect it to be? We got resolution on a lot of things and of course there were gonna be some dead end plot points/characters. For most characters it's a downright happy ending.
It's also not that difficult to piece together what you think happened at the end and it's ambiguous enough that everyone is probably right in their own ways.
[sp]Is it future, or is it past?[/sp]
i thought the ending was exactly what you'd expect
it doesn't seem like david lynch to tie everything up perfectly for you. saw a cliffhanger from a mile away. i liked it, whether or not there's another season. it's something to think about
[QUOTE=antair;52651110]Mulholland Drive DOES have a clear ending, as it is obviously a dream, and even a clear meaning, warning about the Diane's decisions making her hate herself and her choices because she couldn't let go and was chasing a false reality.[/QUOTE]
I read somewhere that David Lynch doesn't know what the [sp]weird box[/sp] necessarily means, but he's got a lot of ideas that he pushes regardless which makes a coherent story. And as a result, you can't say there's a "clear ending", because there's a ton of different interpretations that can be made, just like Voltaire can be interpreted numerous ways. Lynch started as an author and a lot of those interpretive qualities seep into his films.
With that said, I think there's definitely a lot of characters without any real use [sp]like the rash-scratching woman at the bar, although perhaps I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have[/sp], but there's also a lot of resolve about what happened to everyone. And in that are separate themes. I haven't come to a takeaway about Coop's storyline, yet, but I'm sure you can push a lot onto it if you give it some thought. It took me a while to understand Mullholand Drive the way I do, and at first I hated it. Now I think it's a great movie.
While I don't have any conclusions, I think the key is in [sp]the question about if the story is about "the little girl dow the lane" and understanding the discussion about the dreamer in Gordon's dream.[/sp]
David Lynch works with feelings. As an extension of that, his movies and also Twin Peaks work on feelings. This is something he talks about, he's not interested in giving satisfying story conclusions and wrapping it all up for the fans. People can say that this 18 episode season could be trimmed down to 9 episodes and maybe even less while still keeping ALL of the major plot points intact and they would be right, but that's a misunderstanding of what David Lynch does.
It's cool if you don't like that this is what he does, but that's how it is. Not every element has a deeper meaning actually hidden within it. It's like a dream (a recurring Lynchian element!); you interpret the dream, the dream itself is just a collection of moving imagery. He's also not some cynical asshole out to pull the rug from under fans' feet, and he's definitely not going out of his way to take the piss with anyone.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;52651756]i thought the ending was exactly what you'd expect
it doesn't seem like david lynch to tie everything up perfectly for you. saw a cliffhanger from a mile away. i liked it, whether or not there's another season. it's something to think about[/QUOTE]
I think it's good as an ending, but would be great as a lead-in to another season. It has a lot in common with the ending of Season 2, structurally.
the finale made me want to watch S1 and S2 again
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it is happening again
S3 can't be judged through conventional means at all. Like everyone else has been saying, the story works through dream logic rather than cohesive storytelling.
That being said, it's completely fair game for people to not be satisfied with it. There were countless abandoned storylines, nearly zero character arcs, ugly cinematography most of the time (imo, and I'm not denying that there were some striking shots at times) and really dodgy production values. I'm sure this is exactly how Lynch intended it, but these are valid complaints, especially considering how thematically cohesive S1/S2 and FWWM are.
so what's with the number 6 like on the electric pole, what's with the number 7 on coffee from the first episode and the insurance's logo, what's with the infinity symbol that looks like an 8?
I feel that the end of S3 is not really doom and gloom. [sp]Yes, Judy is in fact out there and I think that she is in control of Sarah Palmer to a certain extent, but since Lodge and Lodge-like entities exist outside of the time as we know it, destruction of Bob in one timeline has caused his destruction overall - hence why Laura was technically still alive in the post-change timeline/universe.
Also, remember when Lynch said that Lost Highway takes place in the same universe as Twin Peaks? What if it is specifically the post-jump universe?[/sp]
[QUOTE=gufu;52653087]I feel that the end of S3 is not really doom and gloom. [/QUOTE]
[sp]Andy and Lucy are safe, Andy has newfound courage.
Truman, Bobby, and Hawk are safe.
That fucker Chad is still locked up.
James and One Punch Man are heroes.
Ed and Norma are together at last.
Nadine has accepted the world around her.
Hutch and Chantelle are fucking dead.
Audrey is at least alive? (Biggest cliffhanger in the series IMO)
Log Lady died in peace.
Albert, Gordon, and Tammy are safe and finally have resolution.
Doc Hayward is fighting the good fight.
Jerry isn't lost anymore, that fucker Richard Horne is dead and Ben is fine.
Briggs and Jeffries are "alive" as Lodge entities.
Dougie is back home.
The Mitchum Brothers are doing good.
Bob is dead.
Coop and Diane are at least alive.
It's practically a fairytale ending.[/sp]
[QUOTE=gufu;52653087]
Also, remember when Lynch said that Lost Highway takes place in the same universe as Twin Peaks?[/QUOTE]
Lynch never actually said this.
I'm very interested in [sp]Linda and Richard. Seems like that was the form Coop -took over- when he passed into the other timeline/world, though at the end, just as everything was falling apart, snapped back to regular coop.[/sp]
This is an ending that super has grown on me, because it's so interesting. I kinda hated it at first, but the more that comes out about it, the more it starts to become this hint at future adventures, even if it's not onscreen.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;52653122][sp]Andy and Lucy are safe, Andy has newfound courage.
Truman, Bobby, and Hawk are safe.
That fucker Chad is still locked up.
James and One Punch Man are heroes.
Ed and Norma are together at last.
Nadine has accepted the world around her.
Hutch and Chantelle are fucking dead.
Audrey is at least alive? (Biggest cliffhanger in the series IMO)
Log Lady died in peace.
Albert, Gordon, and Tammy are safe and finally have resolution.
Doc Hayward is fighting the good fight.
Jerry isn't lost anymore, that fucker Richard Horne is dead and Ben is fine.
Briggs and Jeffries are "alive" as Lodge entities.
Dougie is back home.
The Mitchum Brothers are doing good.
Bob is dead.
Coop and Diane are at least alive.
It's practically a fairytale ending.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Well, the implications of the ending is that [sp]none of this really happened, since Laura didn't die[/sp].
dunno if peeps care but rocco from mega64 talks bout s3 finale
[video=youtube;DJrGY2jFw0g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJrGY2jFw0g[/video]
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to support rocco's theroy of [sp]product placement[/sp]:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4wh_mc8hRE[/url]
[QUOTE=gufu;52656204]Well, the implications of the ending is that [sp]none of this really happened, since Laura didn't die[/sp].[/QUOTE]
The website from earlier explicitly states this is not how timelines works in Twin Peaks
[QUOTE=gufu;52656204]Well, the implications of the ending is that [sp]none of this really happened, since Laura didn't die[/sp].[/QUOTE]
[sp]Even if that's true, they are still the characters we've followed for 25 years along with some new additions we've grown to love. That doesn't mean nothing. [/sp]
Finished now and the [sp]scene in the suburbs with the shoot-out[/sp] is one my all time favourite scenes.
I was thinking about the ending and [sp]It could be that Twin Peaks was an alternate dream-dimension and that the dimension that Cooper get's transported to in the end is the "real world". None of the sounds, weird stuff and the frankly awkward acting that was in the 2 first seasons(and some of the 3rd) was in this world. Maybe it's like a collective dream dimension or something, but I dunno. I've watched all season 3 in two days so my brain is fried, but I've yet to see fire walk with me, so maybe I'll check it out.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Thaard;52658957]Finished now and the [sp]scene in the suburbs with the shoot-out[/sp] is one my all time favourite scenes.
I was thinking about the ending and [sp]It could be that Twin Peaks was an alternate dream-dimension and that the dimension that Cooper get's transported to in the end is the "real world". None of the sounds, weird stuff and the frankly awkward acting that was in the 2 first seasons(and some of the 3rd) was in this world. Maybe it's like a collective dream dimension or something, but I dunno. I've watched all season 3 in two days so my brain is fried, but I've yet to see fire walk with me, so maybe I'll check it out.[/sp][/QUOTE]
FWWM is a prerequisite for S3 my man, how did you understand half of the season
Also S3 has a hell of a lot more awkward acting than S1/2 imo
The amount of people that chose to skip FWWM blows my mind, there's so much more you could've picked up on in Season 3 if you had watched it.
I always heard that FWWM was horrible, but I guess I'll need to see it. Speaking of weird acting: [sp]I almost had to turn off when Micheal Cera scenes played.[/sp] They were painfully awkward
FWWM is the furthest thing from horrible.
I feel like the meme of FWWM being bad stems from people upset that it didn't pick up where the show left off from at the time.
I've been reading lots of theories about the finale, but [URL="http://www.waggish.org/2017/twin-peaks-finale/"]this one[/URL] makes the most sense to me for now, [sp]Jowday or not.[/sp]
It won't be the last.
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