Well that was just an overall empty and almost pointless ending. I was really hoping we'd see the end of the prison by the time this finale was over... get back on the road you know, the show was at its best then. Someone mentioned a few pages back that basically we have nothing to 'look forward to' for season 4, setup wise. Hell for all the good that finale did we could just as well have a whole nother season of prison shit and it wouldn't feel like it was meant to be going somewhere else.
And what was with all that bullshit about "Everyone's jaws will be left hanging when it fades to black!" they were hyping. Quite to the contrary, that was actually the most dull finale of them all. Season 1 we get a (corny but cool) barrell of exposition, big explosion, then back on the road with a 'what happens now?' kind of vibe. Season 2 we get that fucking awesome walker herd battle at the farm, a big split up, then winter's coming and the hint towards the prison and oh god this is bloody awesome.
Then season 3's finale... we get... eh who knows, wait until next season to see if anything interesting happens. Just didn't feel like it played out right.
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Then season 3's finale... we get... eh who knows, wait until next season to see if anything interesting happens. Just didn't feel like it played out right.[/QUOTE]
Except we now have [sp]an antagonist who has completely gone and lost it.[/sp]If that isn't anything interesting, I don't know what is.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;40116500]Except we now have [sp]an antagonist who has completely gone and lost it.[/sp]If that isn't anything interesting, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
Well I suppose so... but really why did it have to take a whole season just to reach that point anyway. I'm probably biased anyway because I absolutely loved season 1's more open approach to things - not being grounded in one boring location for the whole stretch, you know? To me, the farm, Woodbury, they both seemed like major hold-backs to what could be an even more incredible show. I still thoroughly enjoyed it because it's such a quality show, but hopefully you get what I mean. Single locations make things stale.
That's why I keep gunning for them to get back on the road (which if the comic is anything to go by could be a possibility). I just think that would be so much more interesting. Maybe I'm just being bitter because the finale was such a crapshoot - most of us expected something grand and shocking that would leave us with a million burning questions about where they could possibly go next, only it didn't. At least, not in a way I think most of us were hoping for.
:(
Carl didn't mention to dog because rick wasn't going to(didn'thave to) kill/shoot t-dog to save the group...
I think it was a great finale. Two major events that didn't happen in the comics. More time to develop tyreese at the prison. The gov is still out there. These changes from the comics are definitely paying off. And I can't help but think they can make it really interesting.
I'm still pushing for the gov to become the Dwight of the comics. It would really make this plot super amazing.
Though it's probably going to be the [sp] hunters story arc[/sp]
Welp
This thread is going to be barren for months now
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;40116598]Carl didn't mention to dog because rick wasn't going to(didn'thave to) kill/shoot t-dog to save the group...
I think it was a great finale.[sp]Two major events that didn't happen in the comics. More time to develop tyreese at the prison. The gov is still out there. These changes from the comics are definitely paying off. And I can't help but think they can make it really interesting.
I'm still pushing for the gov to become the Dwight of the comics. It would really make this plot super amazing.
Though it's probably going to be the hunters story arc[/sp][/QUOTE]
Oh come on man, my brother was in here and he hasn't seen the finale yet. Thanks for spoiling it to him.
I hadn't seen any synopsis's of the episode, or read any of these 'lies' you guys are talking about, so I thought it was pretty good.
I liked this episode. Yeah the result of the build-up may have been quite underwhelming. But can you point out what concepts is making this show good? [sp]Killing key characters, and shooting guns[/sp]?
One word to describe it would be anti-climatic, but definitely not bad.
I think I watch this show because it's one of the few that does the zombies right. Writing really sucks sometimes. As for this finale, with all the build up it was very underwhelming.
[sp]The whole battle was extremely short and when some action actually happened Woodbury immediately run away. I found it hilarious that Governor gunned down 10+ armed people without any of them returning fire. He even shot the guy that was willing to attack the prison. Then he invited his BFFs Ramirez and mute black guy on a road trip.
Also wouldn't Woodbury be a better base than prison? Especially after all the damage.[/sp]
I remain optimistic that season 4 takes what season 3 set up and makes something really fucking good. That'd make up for the lackluster finale for me imo.
Damn. Don't know what you guys are talking about, that was a DAMN fine episode. There was so many things in this episode, you guys act as if the finale is supposed to close the series or some shit, it's supposed to close the SEASON. [sp] This season, it was about Woodbury, true, but it was also about Rick's sanity, and the drama between the group. Woodbury was dealt with, they have no more residents, does noone understand this? The governor's forces are made up of 2 people now! He lost all his other town residents when he fucking slaughtered them and when Rick took them. That's the end of Woodbury, the Governor will be a later threat, they're leaving that open because it's a plot point that can be used later, basic show practice. Rick's "insanity", as subtly shown at the end, has been... cured, I suppose you could say. It seems more, his conscience is clear now. Also, did noone notice how Shane-like Carl was this episode? He even pulled the line "I did what had to be done.", there was also some cool symbolism following it imo, when he dropped the badge. Honestly, the only thing underwhelming about this episode, I found, was Andrea's death. I didn't really like Andrea, but I didn't... HATE her. She was just kinda there. Milton's death hit me more because I wasn't expecting him to die.
To everyone who was expecting a major assault or some shootout shit? Why? You say the writing sucks and then turn around and wish there was a mindless hollywood shootout. The short shootout was there to emphasize the will of the soldiers of Woodbury, most of them did not want to do it, and when they retreated, it just made the Governor more insane. If you went into this finale, EXPECTING mindless action, yeah, you'll be disappointed, but for a finale to be good, it doesn't need to have action shots for 20 minutes. [/sp]
All in all, that was a good episode imo.
[QUOTE=Marden;40117210]I think I watch this show because it's one of the few that does the zombies right. Writing really sucks sometimes. As for this finale, with all the build up it was very underwhelming.
[sp]The whole battle was extremely short and when some action actually happened Woodbury immediately run away. I found it hilarious that Governor gunned down 10+ armed people without any of them returning fire. He even shot the guy that was willing to attack the prison. Then he invited his BFFs Ramirez and mute black guy on a road trip.
Also wouldn't Woodbury be a better base than prison? Especially after all the damage.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Prisons probably safer against people. You saw how easily Rick and co fucked over Woodbury when they were getting Glenn and Maggie back, while Woodbury couldn't do shit to the prison 'cept blow their shit up [/sp]
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;40117388][sp] Prisons probably safer against people. You saw how easily Rick and co fucked over Woodbury when they were getting Glenn and Maggie back, while Woodbury couldn't do shit to the prison 'cept blow their shit up [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I think it's more quality over quanity here, Rick and co. knew what the fuck to do while having only a decent amount of firepower, while Governor and co. had an amazing amount of firepower but didn't exactly know what to do. I think that's what the show was trying to get across anyway, only explanation I can think of for how they kept putting themselves in bad positions. And I don't really think the prison is safer from a frontal assault (inside obviously is safer than Woodbury. Woodbury straight up has walls, prison only has walls on the inside, albeit stone, steel and wire. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Eeshton;40117425][sp]I think it's more quality over quanity here, Rick and co. knew what the fuck to do while having only a decent amount of firepower, while Governor and co. had an amazing amount of firepower but didn't exactly know what to do. I think that's what the show was trying to get across anyway, only explanation I can think of for how they kept putting themselves in bad positions. And I don't really think the prison is safer from a frontal assault (inside obviously is safer than Woodbury. Woodbury straight up has walls, prison only has walls on the inside, albeit stone, steel and wire. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Rick managed to sneak into Woodbury very easily, and while it would in theory be easy to sneak into the prison, its the tombs are full of zombies and the only safe way to get in is very easily guarded by the towers, which provide much more cover from people than woodburys "stand on top of the walls" thing they got going on. While it IS certainty quality over quantity, its clear the Governor didn't design Woodbury to be safe from other people, after all, that would alert the residents to the fact the Governors picking fights with people. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;40114327]I like how there were two big things that derived from the comics in this episode.
Also does anyone else think that the kid that [sp] carl shot [/sp] is a replacement for (comic spoilers) [sp] carl shooting ben in the comics [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Except Ben was a fucking psycho, the kid could easily have been one of the Woodbury guys in the bus.[/sp]
I don't get why Herschel and Rick and all that were butthurt at Carl for [sp] shooting that kid. It was in cold blood, I understand, but what were they going to do? Season 2 had an entire plot arc about Randall and how they didn't know what to do, whether to execute him or let him go, had Carl not shot the kid it would of been Randall all over again.[/sp]
Well that was an awful finale.
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Was [sp]Andrea's suicide[/sp] what the writers thought would make our jaws drop? Because it didn't in my case.
As an episode I thought it was good.
As a finale I thought it was disappointing.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;40117664]I don't get why Herschel and Rick and all that were butthurt at Carl for [sp] shooting that kid. It was in cold blood, I understand, but what were they going to do? Season 2 had an entire plot arc about Randall and how they didn't know what to do, whether to execute him or let him go, had Carl not shot the kid it would of been Randall all over again.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I think the bigger problem was that [sp]a, Carl shot someone who was putting his gun down and was 1v3-4 to begin with so pretty much a non-threat and b, he straight-up lied when confronted about it.[/sp]
[sp] I was personally thinking that the kid was trying to pull a fast one by inching forward and trying to give carl the gun to overpower him. But then out of the fucking blue carl pulls the trigger.
Like he was pretty much like " Take it, come a littlle closer"[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;40117747]I think the bigger problem was that [sp]a, Carl shot someone who was putting his gun down and was 1v3-4 to begin with so pretty much a non-threat and b, he straight-up lied when confronted about it.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Again, theres really no other way to do it. If they had let him live, they would of had to of executed him anyway, unless they learned nothing from Randall. Rick would be a moron to let someone from the Woodbury army live, and yeah, Carl lying about it was him in the wrong but still.
Carl lying about it was actually pretty great character writing imo. Lying like that is a very child like thing to do, it really shows that even though Carl has matured into a killer, he's still the little kid he started as. [/sp]
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[QUOTE=Cheeseist;40117785][sp] I was personally thinking that the kid was trying to pull a fast one by inching forward and trying to give carl the gun to overpower him. But then out of the fucking blue carl pulls the trigger. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Also this. I mean, who the fuck hands a gun over like that? It seems incredibly dangerous to expect a child to reach out and take a gun away from someone, he should of just dropped it. [/sp]
I think i'd rather live in woodbury than a prison. i'd be okey for the first few months but prisons aren't designed for comfort and amusement. Woodbury is a much nicer place to live long term. And it's proven safe against walkers. I don't care about the stupid gang war plot and the Governor, at least not in such an extend. But ofcourse they worked so long to defend the prison it would be a stupid to the story to just forget about the place.
Whole season 3 has been more than disappointing. The show is called walking dead but the walkers aren't a threat anymore. In the first season the walkers still opposed a real threat, now one person can kill them by a dozen, preferable with ninja sword or with infinite amount of guns and bullets.
sheriff guy seeing his dead wife constantly and going total nuts was rather painfull to watch, i have low tolerance for that kind of bullshit.
carl being a total jerk, i wish he died. It's be good for the pretentious kid. But then rick would get apeshit again. which would again be painful.
The Finally was also super lame. non died in the actual attack, because they didn't want to portray the prison gang as the bad guys, so they could have their lame ending where everyone moved in the prison. So they let the Governor kill all his own people? I stood just flabbergasted by stupidity watching this. It's just lame writing in general to make people go complete nuts and use it as a major plot twist, especially twice in the same show. It's almost as bad a writing a deus ex machina.
and ofcourse they couldn't kill the governor, they still needed him for season 4. Because apparently they can't come up with a good with something better. I hope they do, really. but i'm afraid they wont.
I only felt suspense once during the whole episode and that was during Andrea scenes. And they had to kill at least one good guy ofcourse, people expected at least one good guy to die. So they do the lamest thing ever and kill someone who isn't even in the fucking fight?! Wow. Just wow. did they let 16 y/o write the story?
yes i mad, whole season 3 ruined what was a potential good show.
E: i don't use spoiler tags because who is going to this thread the day after the finally expecting no spoilers? All the black is annoying to read.
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Whole season 3 has been more than disappointing. The show is called walking dead but the walkers aren't a threat anymore. In the first season the walkers still opposed a real threat, now one person can kill them by a dozen, preferable with ninja sword or with infinite amount of guns and bullets.
E: i don't use spoiler tags because who is going to this thread the day after the finally expecting no spoilers? All the black is annoying to read.[/QUOTE]
The entire point of season 3 was to show that walkers aren't a threat anymore. Its how its happened in the comics and its realistic too, you gotta imagine that people would become efficient at killing zombies after a year of doing it.
Also, despite what you may find annoying, spoilering spoilers in threads like these is actually the rules. So uh...yeah.
ps: its called the walking dead because [sp] the people are the walking dead, not the zombies [/sp]
I'm predicting the governor reassembles Woodbury, it starts as a small group of extreme survivalists (including Lilly) then eventually it becomes big enough that they attack the prison and kill almost everyone.
I was hoping they'd go back to Hershel's farm in this episode, abandon the prison altogether. But whatever, they salvaged it.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;40117962]I'm predicting the governor reassembles Woodbury, it starts as a small group of extreme survivalists (including Lilly) then eventually it becomes big enough that they attack the prison and kill almost everyone.
I was hoping they'd go back to Hershel's farm in this episode, abandon the prison altogether. But whatever, they salvaged it.[/QUOTE]
The farm aint in great shape bro.
I'm sure the farm is doing fine
Its not like it was literally on fire the last time we saw it
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;40117951]The entire point of season 3 was to show that walkers aren't a threat anymore. Its how its happened in the comics and its realistic too, you gotta imagine that people would become efficient at killing zombies after a year of doing it.
Also, despite what you may find annoying, spoilering spoilers in threads like these is actually the rules. So uh...yeah.
ps: its called the walking dead because [sp] the people are the walking dead, not the zombies [/sp][/QUOTE]
I haven't read the comics. I know people become more efficient at killing them. But it's stupid to make a zombie themed show and NOT pose zombies as a threat. If they wanted a apocalypse show with gang wars and survival, there are much more interesting themes to to touch.
Imagine the film Alien, where the alien is born kills the host. but poses no real threat to any of the crew members. And then everyone gets paranoia and kills each other, and the alien has no no further use in the story.
Well, that how i feel.
[QUOTE=Sergesosio;40118061]I haven't read the comics. I know people become more efficient at killing them. But it's stupid to make a zombie themed show and NOT pose zombies as a threat. If they wanted a apocalypse show with gang wars and survival, there are much more interesting themes to to touch.
Imagine the film Alien, where the alien is born kills the host. but poses no real threat to any of the crew members. And then everyone gets paranoia and kills each other, and the alien has no no further use in the story.
Well, that how i feel.[/QUOTE]
That would be awesome. If they made a move where theres a killer Alien that poses no threat to the crew, rather the crews paranoia is what gets them...well thats a pretty damn original idea.
and once again, the title of the show is not in [sp] reference to zombies, its in reference to the people, being the walking dead. [/sp]
Just because zombies are in it doesn't mean the entire thing needs to be about how dangerous they are.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;40118075]That would be awesome. If they made a move where theres a killer Alien that poses no threat to the crew, rather the crews paranoia is what gets them...well thats a pretty damn original idea.[/QUOTE]
Not the way i described it. Why put a major thing in a story if you barely use it.
Maybe if the crew was doubting the existence of said alien and thought there was a psychopath on board. and also giving the viewer the doubt. Maybe that could provide a better story.
But this has nothing to do with the walking dead anymore.
the zombies proved a real harm in the first 2 seasons. But in the third there are more people killed by murder than by walker bites.
[QUOTE=Sergesosio;40118177]Not the way i described it. Why put a major thing in a story if you barely use it.
Maybe if the crew was doubting the existence of said alien and thought there was a psychopath on board. and also giving the viewer the doubt. Maybe that could provide a better story.
But this has nothing to do with the walking dead anymore.
the zombies proved a real harm in the first 2 seasons. But in the third there are more people killed by murder than by walker bites.[/QUOTE]
Yes, again, the point. They've adapted to the world, now they adapt to the people. Its what the writers intended.
They also do indeed use the walkers a fair bit in the story still. You see them used as research, as weapons and as a means of defense.
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