[QUOTE=ColdWave;42899281]The governor would had been shot on sight had he run for those prison gates, he slaughtered his people and killed [sp]Andrea.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I don't think he would've "run" to them? Just stumbled up at night and the group probably wouldn't have noticed it was him until they were face to face.
[QUOTE=Chief Martini;42899273]I thought the caller question about what made the Governor the better leader according to Morrissey was pretty good. In a sense the Governor was doing better than Rick until he went apeshit and teamkilled everyone. Woodbury was a very flourishing town.[/QUOTE]
Until the gov open fired on his own people, he wason't evil by any sense.
He was just a dick to outsiders, just like Rick's Group.
sneak peak of next episode:
[url]http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/sneak-peek-episode-407-the-walking-dead-dead-weight[/url]
[QUOTE=Oizen;42899353]Until the gov open fired on his own people, he wason't evil by any sense.
He was just a dick to outsiders, just like Rick's Group.[/QUOTE]
Uh, what?
he had fishtanks filled with heads, including one of that chopper pilot he killed
oh yeah and that national guard group he slaughtered
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42899370]Uh, what?
he had a fishtanks filled with heads, including one of that chopper pilot he killed
oh yeah and that national guard group he slaughtered[/QUOTE]
Don't forget the torture chamber. Everybody loves the torture chamber.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42899355']sneak peak of next episode:
[url]http://www.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/videos/sneak-peek-episode-407-the-walking-dead-dead-weight[/url][/QUOTE]
that dead guy with the liar sign around him was wearing BDUs, [sp]Abraham killed him??[/sp]
also that guy with the hat is from band of brothers. that makes two of em on the show
The governor standing out front of the prison is not a sign of "hey I just baked cupcakes, want some Rick and co?"
He is standing there because somehow he needs the prison and the people in it gone.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42899370]Uh, what?
he had fishtanks filled with heads, including one of that chopper pilot he killed
oh yeah and that national guard group he slaughtered[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he also killed two guys in a bar and held a kid chained up in a barn for a few episodes, tried to kill him twice.
Along with barging into someone's house and killing them and feeding them to zombies to escape.
[QUOTE=Oizen;42899453]Yeah, he also killed two guys in a bar and held a kid chained up in a barn for a few episodes, tried to kill him twice.
Along with barging into someone's house and killing them and feeding them to zombies to escape.[/QUOTE]
except literally none of that is on par or even in comparison with to what the governor did
the way you said that is also completely ignoring how all of that went down with rick
[QUOTE=Oizen;42899353]Until the gov open fired on his own people, he wason't evil by any sense.
He was just a dick to outsiders, just like Rick's Group.[/QUOTE]
He wasn't evil, no. The only questionable thing he did was killing the National Guard troops, but that's somewhat justified by them posing a threat to Woodbury's tranquility. If they were to move there, it'd be unclear who's in charge, since the Military is a real pre-turn authority while the Governor rose to power because there was no formal governing authority. But still, it's justifiable, albeit very morally questionable.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42899370]Uh, what?
he had fishtanks filled with heads[/QUOTE]
That was for him to really face the things he had to do in order to rebuild civilization, so that he wouldn't forget. Plus, it dehumanized his enemies, both walkers and humans, so that he would have less trouble performing the necessary evils to protect woodbury.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42899376']Don't forget the torture chamber. Everybody loves the torture chamber.[/QUOTE]
He didn't have one until the Prison, which was a threat. It was more psychological warfare if anything, a necessary evil once more.
I know I'm playing the devil's advocate here, just bear with me.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42899461]except literally none of that is on par or even in comparison with to what the governor did[/QUOTE]
Because he's not the main character?
Until siad moment, he was still doing more good than evil.
I feel really bad for Chris.
I had the same thing happen almost four years ago and I'm still messed up.
For him to come into work.. I have a lot of respect for him in that.
[QUOTE=Oizen;42899479]Because he's not the main character?
Until siad moment, he was still doing more good than evil.[/QUOTE]
Rick killed those two at the bar because they were literally about to kill him and were a blatant immediate threat. the other guy lost it and nearly got them killed. I just don't see it
the gov' on the other hand went out of his way to slaughter a dozen people even before he killed his own. unless you actually believe all that was necessary, then that's a different story. also that was shane not rick who tried to kill the kid??
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;42899474]Holy shit, Chris Hardwick. :([/QUOTE]
What happened to Chris, my stream cut out on the end...
I agree that he was more of a good character than evil, until he met the prison folks. The torture chamber was pretty private, how could it be psychological warfare when no one knew about it? Do you think his rivalry with the prison was really for his protection? Maybe initially, but it soon became a deluded quest for revenge. He is a bad character, although not one beyond redemption.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;42899502]What happened to Chris, my stream cut out on the end...[/QUOTE]
His father died suddenly either yesterday or the day before.
Wow, that was really unexpected and pretty emotional. It felt kinda wrong of them to keep the camera rolling so long when he was clearly crying in the background with Morrissey trying to kinda comfort him.
[QUOTE=Oizen;42899479]Because he's not the main character?
Until siad moment, he was still doing more good than evil.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much. Woodbury was a really thriving town. Ignoring how the Governor solely built that society with enough food and security to have a normal and relaxed life is something a lot of people seem to do.
[QUOTE=Chief Martini;42899514]Wow, that was really unexpected and pretty emotional. It felt kinda wrong of them to keep the camera rolling so long when he was clearly crying in the background with Morrissey trying to kinda comfort him.
Pretty much. Woodbury was a really thriving town. Ignoring how the Governor solely built that society with enough food and security to have a normal and relaxed life is something a lot of people seem to do.[/QUOTE]
He cried? :( wow...I must say though that the man has earned all of my respect and then some for going into his job with his head held high for an entire show.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42899497]Rick killed those two at the bar because they were literally about to kill him and were a blatant immediate threat. the other guy lost it and nearly got them killed. I just don't see it
the gov' on the other hand went out of his way to slaughter a dozen people even before he killed his own. unless you actually believe all that was necessary, then that's a different story[/QUOTE]
Rick is way more morally 'good' in general, yeah. Doesn't mean that's better for the group as a whole though. Seems to me like the Governor's community was doing way, way better than Rick's.As for the people he slaughtered, besides the National Guard I don't see any questionable kills but I might be forgetting some. Care to elaborate?
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42899505']I agree that he was more of a good character than evil, until he met the prison folks. The torture chamber was pretty private, how could it be psychological warfare when no one knew about it?[/quote]
Psychological warfare for those who were inside of it. It worked perfectly on Glenn and Maggie. He didn't take anyone else down there, besides an attempt on Michonne of course, but that (in my honest opinion) is very justified given how in his eyes she literally killed his daughter, together with any hope of her coming back to life.
[quote]Do you think his rivalry with the prison was really for his protection? Maybe initially, but it soon became a deluded quest for revenge. He is a bad character, although not one beyond redemption.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he overstepped his quest for the prison. He thought it'd be a better place, a safer place, which was true until 'scouts' of the horde came along. It's been a while since S3 though, I don't really remember who provoked who anymore. Did Rick and his group did anything to provoke Woodbury / The Governor?
[QUOTE=ColdWave;42899530]He cried? :( wow...I must say though that the man has earned all of my respect and then some for going into his job with his head held high for an entire show.[/QUOTE]
It seemed like it, yeah. He was wiping his eye and Morrissey put his hand on his knee and stuff. Chris seemed pretty out of it, trying to explain to the two guests what was going on.
[QUOTE=Phantom Lord;42899506]His father died suddenly either yesterday or the day before.[/QUOTE]
jesus that's sad as shit. how is he even still doing the show
What'd you guys think of the episode in general, anyway? I thought it was very typical, perhaps even cliche, for the governor to start off as the secluded person who eventually gets his shit together to protect a family and then connects with the young girl and falls in love with the mother etc. That could definitely have been done better, but the fact it was an full-on Governor episode was already really good, and there were definitely some good, defining parts of it.
also he killed that pilot, then immediately thereafter put his head in a fishtank to gawk at. yeah not questionable whatsoever.
still having optimistic feelings about him changing though
To be fair, the Governor was walking all on his own for a couple months at this point. No one to talk to or to interact with, [sp]his men abandoned him after saving his ass one last time[/sp] . He lost everything,(Partly because he TK'd almost everyone.) and he's had time to reflect. It's almost like he doesn't want to be the Governor anymore, which is why he adopts his [sp]new persona.[/sp] You even get to watch as he actively TRIES [sp]to not be accepted by these people.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;42899593]also he killed that pilot, then immediately thereafter put his head in a fishtank to gawk at. yeah not questionable whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
Again, killing the NG's was questionable. As for the fishtank thing, read my earlier post.
Also, I thought the conversation between the Governor and Megan (the kid) about pawns and whether you'd lose if they died was a really nice throwback towards the Gov massacring his people. "You can still win." Nice symbolism.
[QUOTE=Matlas;42899622]To be fair, the Governor was walking all on his own for a couple months at this point. No one to talk to or to interact with, [sp]his men abandoned him after saving his ass one last time[/sp] . He lost everything,(Partly because he TK'd almost everyone.) and he's had time to reflect. It's almost like he doesn't want to be the Governor anymore, which is why he adopts his [sp]new persona.[/sp] You even get to watch as he actively TRIES [sp]to not be accepted by these people.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's difficult not to forget that it's been months (which was reflected by like, 3 minutes of footage) so that his mind is in a different place then it was last time.
One thing I didn't get is why he burned the picture of his wife and daughter. Not entirely clear to me at least.
[QUOTE=Chief Martini;42899647]One thing I didn't get is why he burned the picture of his wife and daughter. Not entirely clear to me at least.[/QUOTE]
repressing the past/replacing his old family with this one
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;42899629]I guess it was pretty decent overall, it was just kinda slow. I think I'll like it more when I rewatch this season without waiting a week in between episodes.[/QUOTE]
Im glad they aired it.
It made the gov a little less Saturday Morning Cartoon villain.
He's trying to move on with his life, to not be the Governor anymore. His symbolism in, "You can still win" is that even if you lose everything, that doesn't mean it's over until you die. There's always hope to be a better person. The little girl is going to make or break [sp]Mr. Heriot.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Oizen;42899672]Im glad they aired it.
It made the gov a little less Saturday Morning Cartoon villain.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I had a feeling that, while it was cool that he was back, I thought it was gonna be an entire episode dedicated to his maniacally evil plot for revenge.
I was very surprised, pleasantly so.
Just why was this episode titled Live Bait?
[sp]Aside from that walker pit-ending I'm not seeing any connection.[/sp]
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