Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

Just watched Rogue One [sp]Seeing Leia made me smile for obvious reasons. Also, considering how the movie ended, the line "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan" in ep. IV makes Leia sound like one of those crackheads on Cops who tries to act innocent even though the police just found a 2 kg brick of crack under their car seat.[/sp]

[QUOTE=qwea00;51599149]Just watched Rogue One [sp]Seeing Leia made me smile for obvious reasons. Also, considering how the movie ended, the line "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan" in ep. IV makes Leia sound like one of those crackheads on Cops who tries to act innocent even though the police just found a 2 kg brick of crack under their car seat.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Vader does say 'Don't act so surprised your highness' in ANH. Vader had no idea she was on that ship, it could have been any Blockade runner[/sp]

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;51599109]the thing is that when the rule of two was established the jedi decided that the sith werent an issue and didnt bother to go hunting for any possible sources of it. that was one of the biggest keys as to why they were able to control the republic and clone army to wipe out the jedi so easily.[/QUOTE] That was far more down to jedi incompetence/arrogance than sith genius. and, well, isn't the time period just too big? Like, there must have been a long line of sith schemers before palpatine claimed emperor (I don't know how long, but a hundred years or more for 20 years in power just isn't worth it. I guess you could try and be happy with a small section of the world, but dark siders tend to suffer from crippling ambition.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51599307]That was far more down to jedi incompetence/arrogance than sith genius. and, well, isn't the time period just too big? Like, there must have been a long line of sith schemers before palpatine claimed emperor (I don't know how long, but a hundred years or more for 20 years in power just isn't worth it. I guess you could try and be happy with a small section of the world, but dark siders tend to suffer from crippling ambition.[/QUOTE] There is a pretty long line behind him. In old EU it really stretches back to some crazy shit.

[sp]man the whole Leia diplomatic mission line will be mentioned every other page of this thread[/sp]

Seems like Darth Revan and the Sabine black series figures are out, anyone grab them? If so how good are they?

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51599198][sp]Vader does say 'Don't act so surprised your highness' in ANH. Vader had no idea she was on that ship, it could have been any Blockade runner[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]vader didn't know she was on the ship, but he did know it was the ship that had the plans on it. rogue one gave that visual context. i'm seriously glad i re-watched it, everything fit perfectly.[/sp] [QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;51599973]Seems like Darth Revan and the Sabine black series figures are out, anyone grab them? If so how good are they?[/QUOTE] i got my hands on revan in short, it's fantastic.

I hope Disney make Dooku someone who was merely pretending to be Sith because that guy is 100% not Sith material. Maul, Palpy, Vader and I guess Kylo have all shown themselves at some point to be raging psychopaths while Dook has NEVER lost his cool in any material. Something doesn't give.

Well he used dark side powers

After playing bits of the Sith storylines in The Old Republic I entirely understand the rule of two. Nobody's getting anything done because everyone's just betraying eachother.

[QUOTE=Tsyolin;51595665]One thing I will say that really impressed me about Rogue One is that [sp]they actually killed off everyone in the movie, which is pretty atypical of a Star Wars film or any film in that sort of vein. It was a suicide mission through and through, and it would have done the story a huge disservice had there been a cliche "escape just in time" sequence.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Honestly when the two people left were sitting on the beach watching as the blast approached I was expecting a rebel shuttle to appear right infront of them and pick them up[/sp]

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51600414]I hope Disney make Dooku someone who was merely pretending to be Sith because that guy is 100% not Sith material. Maul, Palpy, Vader and I guess Kylo have all shown themselves at some point to be raging psychopaths while Dook has NEVER lost his cool in any material. Something doesn't give.[/QUOTE] Dooku also was never horribly disfigured, unless you count the part where he gets decapitated.

[QUOTE=TalonAran;51600682]After playing bits of the Sith storylines in The Old Republic I entirely understand the rule of two. Nobody's getting anything done because everyone's just betraying eachother.[/QUOTE] Personally, I'm more of a Rule by the Strong kind of Sith guy. I'll never understand the logic behind the Rule of Two

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51600414]I hope Disney make Dooku someone who was merely pretending to be Sith because that guy is 100% not Sith material. Maul, Palpy, Vader and I guess Kylo have all shown themselves at some point to be raging psychopaths while Dook has NEVER lost his cool in any material. Something doesn't give.[/QUOTE] He lost his cool once or twice during the Clone Wars Cartoon, but you gotta think about it like this, he was once a Jedi Master turned Sith, think of it like... What if Yoda became a Sith, that's basically Dooku in a nutshell, all the other ones we've seen have either been Sith for there entire run like Palpy, or turned before they got as far as Dooku and if you really think about it later on in life Darth Vader also has a cool if absolutely fucking terrifying air about him, you never really see him get FUCKING PISSED, he always seems to be in control, RO spoilers - [sp]Other than the Rouge One finale, but that was the sort of anger any sith would show, even Dooku[/sp] Here's one of the examples of Dooku loosing his cool. [video=youtube;7s3x8ox2ToE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s3x8ox2ToE[/video] Or when he teaches Savage Opress in the ways of the Dark side. [video=youtube;7bYqIksEOek]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYqIksEOek[/video] You can tell that Dooku is a less atypical Sith, but he still embraces the teachings well enough. [QUOTE=EliaMoroes;51600929]Personally, I'm more of a Rule by the Strong kind of Sith guy. I'll never understand the logic behind the Rule of Two[/QUOTE] Because even the strongest Sith can still be killed or out numbered and the more Sith around you the higher the chance you'll be out maneuvered, you shrink that number substantially with only two of you.

the rule of two insures that the next sith will be stronger than the last, essentially

Learn what you can from your master, when they have nothing left to teach you, it's their time to die. Hopefully the generations of knowledge actually gets to you, so then you can teach your apprentice.

Why even take on an apprentice if you're an evil megalomaniac and know they'll kill you?

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51601690]Why even take on an apprentice if you're an evil megalomaniac and know they'll kill you?[/QUOTE] Because if you die in your attempt at being an megalomaniac, everything will be lost with you. This way, even if you die in the process, the Sith will go on in some form even if half educated.

[The Clone Wars] Ahsoka, why are you yelling at the Jedi council as it's debriefing you on a terrorist attack as you were the actual culprit? Do you want to implicate yourself in something you didn't do? Ahsoka, don't you think that the main suspect of said attack wanting to talk exclusively to you all of a sudden, while she has proven herself uncooperative up to this point, may be a tiny bit suspicious? Ahsoka, why are you immediately jumping to the conclusion that the security card before you was left there by your matser? Right there, out in the open, for every guard to find and put back in its right place? Ahsoka, if you run into a pile of prison guards bodies as you are basically on the run outside your cell, don't you think that it's best to return to it, since someone may spot you and draw the wrong conclusion? Ahsoka, why did you claim that you can't trust anyone at this point, not even your beloved master, but apparently Barris Offee is alright, even if said girl has showed a renewed interest in your affairs just a short while ago? Isn't that a tiny bit suspicious to you?

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;51601732][The Clone Wars] Ahsoka, why are you yelling at the Jedi council as it's debriefing you on a terrorist attack as you were the actual culprit? Do you want to implicate yourself in something you didn't do? Ahsoka, don't you think that the main suspect of said attack wanting to talk exclusively to you all of a sudden, while she has proven herself uncooperative up to this point, may be a tiny bit suspicious? Ahsoka, why are you immediately jumping to the conclusion that the security card before you was left there by your matser? Right there, out in the open, for every guard to find and put back in its right place? Ahsoka, if you run into a pile of prison guards bodies as you are basically on the run outside your cell, don't you think that it's best to return to it, since someone may spot you and draw the wrong conclusion? Ahsoka, why did you claim that you can't trust anyone at this point, not even your beloved master, but apparently Barris Offee is alright, even if said girl has showed a renewed interest in your affairs just a short while ago? Isn't that a tiny bit suspicious to you?[/QUOTE] Ahsoka is a teenager and not fully trained as of yet. Give her a break

Ain't gonna lie the scene in Rogue One where (Ending) [sp]Vader is watching the ship fly away above a planet in a busted ship in space[/sp] is probably the best artistic shot in the entire series.

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;51601346]the rule of two insures that the next sith will be stronger than the last, essentially[/QUOTE] Multiply that by a thousand years and you eventually get Sheev.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51601767]Ahsoka is a teenager and not fully trained as of yet. Give her a break[/QUOTE] No, give me a break. Ahsoka is a child soldier who, through the series, hasn't showed any sign of stupidity up to this point. I'd instead argue she was kinda wise every time the situation called for it, despise her apparent flaws. One thing is to make mistake due to puberty and all that: another thing entirely is to violate any kind of common sense in a very delicate situation because the writers are hell-bent on putting you through a hard time. Also, she's not the only one taking a massive dosage of stupidity serum during that arc. The Jedi Council seems content to handle the investigation of a critical terrorist attack to just two people, never considering opening a serious, professional investigation on their part that would make obvious that Barriss really is the culprit. Oh, and Barriss, if you are going to rob [I]Asajj FUCKING Ventress[/I], I'd suggest you to kill her, lest she becomes a huge liability in your master plan later

I think the best way to do sith would be to do some kind of fuedal thing. IE you have this part of the galaxy, I have this part, she has this part. You can choose your own apprentice rules. We can politic over issues that face us all (IE, one lord starts conquering from other lords and gets too powerful, the jedi rise up, and so on) They might all be meglomaniacs, but the galaxies tend to be pretty big.

"Child soldier" :v:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51601831]"Child soldier" :v:[/QUOTE] Isn't she like 16 in The Clone Wars? In Europe, the legal age is set around one's 18th birthday. On a more positive note, these guys [IMG]http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/3/38/Jedi_Temple_Guard.png/revision/latest?cb=20160911143312[/IMG] were fucking cool (especially since, as I understand, [sp]the future Grand Inquisitor was one of them[/sp])

The outfit is cool and so is having a yellow lightsaber blade, but the lightsaber design is bad. You'd hurt yourself with it far more easily than the average saber, and whilst the force negates you making such accidents, it's still just not a good martial arts weapon. The handle is too long for one-handed, rule of cool use, but it's too short with too-short blades for popper polarm use.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51601916]The outfit is cool and so is having a yellow lightsaber blade, but the lightsaber design is bad. You'd hurt yourself with it far more easily than the average saber, and whilst the force negates you making such accidents, it's still just not a good martial arts weapon. The handle is too long for one-handed, rule of cool use, but it's too short with too-short blades for popper polarm use.[/QUOTE] considering they're guards, it could also be like that for pure intimidation could also be meant for easier blocking or something

[QUOTE=_charon;51601937]considering they're guards, it could also be like that for pure intimidation could also be meant for easier blocking or something[/QUOTE] Or it could just be a ceremonial weapon not really meant for combat so much as just the job in hand, which is the defense of the Temple, like a bouncer if he had a taser instead of a gun, you aren't designing it with full on combat in mind, so yeah, just like you said I'd assume it's easier to block with than to actually attack with, though they have that option.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51601916]The outfit is cool and so is having a yellow lightsaber blade, but the lightsaber design is bad. You'd hurt yourself with it far more easily than the average saber, and whilst the force negates you making such accidents, it's still just not a good martial arts weapon. The handle is too long for one-handed, rule of cool use, but it's too short with too-short blades for popper polarm use.[/QUOTE] Ray Park would like to have a word with you.