Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[sp] I don't think people are mad about snoke's death, they are mad that he died before we know who the fuck he is and what is powers are. I genuinely couldn't care less because he didn't felt like a threat. [/sp]

[sp]which is odd because the emperor had no such explanation until prequels which only served to ruin the surprise[/sp]

[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52979395][sp] I don't think people are mad about snoke's death, they are mad that he died before we know who the fuck he is and what is powers are. I genuinely couldn't care less because he didn't felt like a threat. [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]We also didn't know shit about the emperor in the original trilogy. He was just an imposing figure, the master of Darth Vader, and the leader of a massive tyrannical government, and to be perfectly frank, he was MUCH better this way before the prequels came out and established him as just a run of the mill politician who also happened to be a Sith. Reminder that in the original trilogy, Palpatine did not even have a lightsaber, very much like Snoke in this one. The more you describe a threat the less scary it becomes, fear of the unknown is far too potent a tool. We don't need to know why Snoke's face was fucked or how he became supreme leader the same way there was no need at all to know how the emperor got to his position.[/sp] [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] And about Snoke [sp]they even lampshaded/defied expectations by having Kylo Ren's betrayal basically be a coup, and not redemption. They really built it like it was going to be a Vader style coat-turn when in reality Kylo decided to completely go his own path, something which the film foreshadows very early when he beats the shit out of his own mask as a sign that he's finally willing to drop the vader wannabe attitude and go his own path, as wrathful and unhinged as it is.[/sp]

[sp]I just want to know where Snoke was during the original trilogy times. Maybe he wasn't a sith until after, but I don't know. That's the only thing I care about. The rest of the mystery is fine. [/sp]

Since many people are pointing out that even The Empire Strikes Back got very polarizing audience reactions, I must remind you that a big part of the reason TESB was hold in such a high regard after its release was about Return of the Jedi, the final movie of the original trilogy, being immediately recognized as far, far [I]worse[/I]. I also need to say that people like me aren't sceptical about The Last Jedi because it had the courage to subvert audience's expectactions hard, but because said subversions are extremely cheap on a narrative perspective and don't exactly help creating even an ounce of interest towards the final movie

ESB is fantastic regardless of Rotj that's just reaching It may be the best even

[QUOTE=Cyan_Husky;52979412][sp]I just want to know where Snoke was during the original trilogy times. Maybe he wasn't a sith until after, but I don't know. That's the only thing I care about. The rest of the mystery is fine. [/sp][/QUOTE] I think that information would be all too superfluous. [sp]If all those horror films with unneeded prequels (and the prequel trilogy itself) have taught us one thing, it's that giving an imposing antagonistic force a backstory is a surefire way to just flat out kill any mystery.[/sp]

[sp]I thought snokes death would have been fine if there wasn't the weird "and NOW he STRIKES at his >>>TRUE ENEMY<<< and there was a weird close up of the lightsaber moving, it felt really on the nose and had 0 subtly and made him feel like an idiot[/sp]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52979422]I think that information would be all too superfluous. [sp]If all those horror films with unneeded prequels (and the prequel trilogy itself) have taught us one thing, it's that giving an imposing antagonistic force a backstory is a surefire way to just flat out kill any mystery.[/sp][/QUOTE] Ok, this is bullshit. You are telling me that after a whole movie and supplementary materials about [sp]an antagonist who was around as early as the time of the Galactic Republic, who knew Leila and Han on such a personal level he could corrupt their child from birth, who got scarred in such a way we can't even figure out his species and who had a rather unusual vision about the Force ... after all of this build-up and speculation about his plan and his future role, killing said antagonist in the MIDDLE MOVIE of the trilogy was a GOOD move on the writers' part?[/sp] I mean, maybe these are my personal preferences speaking, but can't you even just consider that [I]maybe[/I] this narrative move was an ass pull on the writers' part in order to "shock" you in a cheap way instead of the clever writing technique you are making out all this bloody mess to be? Again, just [B]MAYBE[/B].

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52979422]I think that information would be all too superfluous. [sp]If all those horror films with unneeded prequels (and the prequel trilogy itself) have taught us one thing, it's that giving an imposing antagonistic force a backstory is a surefire way to just flat out kill any mystery.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I get that. I don't want a backstory. I don't care what made him go bad, I don't care who his parents are. I just want to know where the guy was in the OT and if he was involved with the empire. He seemed to pop into existence as an old master. [/sp]

On the topic of the Knights of Ren [sp]Luke said Kylo took off with some of his padawans so they're out there, somewhere[/sp]

[sp]The emperor felt powerful because Vador was shown as a very powerful and fearsome character. What we knew of the emperor was that he made Vador, so he had to be more powerful. That's all we needed really. We also didn't know anything else beside that movie and a new hope. Snoke trained an emotional wreck of a manchild, that nobody threat seriously. Kylo is powerful yes, but until that movie he was stupid powerful, not a leader like Vador. By comparing the apprentices, both masters aren't at the same level. Now I don't need a 30min flashback of Snoke taking over the first order, but I needed the movie to show me SOMETHING about Snoke powers. And I said show, because we are told, or it is implied a lot, that Snoke is indeed powerful. But it's never shown. As a standalone movie, yeah, that might have worked. But in the grand scheme of the Star Wars cinematic universe, it doesn't. We've already seen mysterious characters like him, we know he's bound to die. We need a bit more to make it feel like a victory. In the sequel trilogy, it feels like EVERYBODY know who Snoke is, how powerful he is, that he's someone to fear a great deal. Why is that never shown to the audience? All it takes is a 3min flashback, probably as long as porgs have been on screen.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Takuat;52979454]On the topic of the Knights of Ren [sp]Luke said Kylo took off with some of his padawans so they're out there, somewhere[/sp][/QUOTE] i dont think the movie is going to do anything with them. they'd have been hanging around already if it were. they're either not around anymore, or they'll show up in a spinoff or cartoon

I've seen it come up a few times and as far as I'm concerned, [sp]the problem with 'well the originals did it too' is that the originals did it too. The First Order vs Resistance is so dull an idea that throwing away the person responsible for making it happen without so much as a throwaway line of how really sums it up.[/sp] On the plus side, [sp]the film goes in so hard on insisting it doesn't matter that it at least has something going for it[/sp].

[QUOTE=Flicky;52979056]Except for [i]one thing.[/i] [sp]Fucking Leia pulling a Superman through space. The concept of Leia using the Force to pull herself back to a ship is fine, but she totally should have done it as soon as she was blown into space, because the amount of time that passed made me and everyone I saw the movie with comfortable with the idea that she was dead.[/sp][/QUOTE] I didn't know [sp]whether she would survive or not either, and so Leia's floating in space all frosted over with her eyes closed and the mournful music, and I see her reaching out her hand into the void, and I somehow get it into my head that in her final moments of consciousness, she's going to be reaching out with the force to Kylo Ren all like 'i sensed your hesitation, my son, and i know there is hope for u'. And then she just flies away. A friend of mine got reminded of Mary Poppins.[/sp]

[sp]I wonder how similar peoples reactions to Snoke are to Palpatine just after RotJ came out? Because we got just as much info about Palpy in the OT as we do about Snoke in the ST. Not trying to say that it's okay BTW.[/sp]

[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52979459][sp]As a standalone movie, yeah, that might have worked. But in the grand scheme of the Star Wars cinematic universe, it doesn't. We've already seen mysterious characters like him, we know he's bound to die. We need a bit more to make it feel like a victory.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]But it’s not a victory?? Kylo didn’t turn, he’s just fufilling what he sees as his destiny. He’s reached something that even Vader hadn’t. Control of galaxy and not being turned. Also I liked how reminiscint of Obi-Wan Luke was in his projection. Kylo didn’t get his Darth Vader moment where he struck down The Last Jedi.[/sp]

Also anyone else look at Snoke's gold robe and get reminded of goldmember? I couldn't unsee that shit.

Imo these movies are really suffering from the fact that they're not planned out in advance. Leaving each different director to write their own self-contained story and not think about the next instalment is really, really dumb. Because now we have shit like [sp] Rey being a nobody, the Knights of Ren being pointless, that rain vision Rey has in TFA meaning nothing, Luke hanging around on Ach-To in his Jedi robes for some reason even though we see that he barely ever wears them, Rey being able to use the force so adeptly in TFA is even stupider now we know she wasn't one of Luke's padawans and had no force training [/sp]

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52979532]Imo these movies are really suffering from the fact that they're not planned out in advance. Leaving each different director to write their own self-contained story and not think about the next instalment is really, really dumb. Because now we have shit like [sp] Rey being a nobody, the Knights of Ren being pointless, that rain vision Rey has in TFA meaning nothing, Luke hanging around on Ach-To in his Jedi robes for some reason even though we see that he barely ever wears them [/sp][/QUOTE] You can partially blame JJ for that, for using Bad Robot with LucasFilm just being advisors. Honestly I don't wanna try bundle off all the failures of the ST onto him but he was the one who made the mystery boxes and left them with LucasFilm to sort out, knowing he wasn't directing 8. Hopefully he does something with some of them next film

Shit, forgot to ask after i saw it: [sp]Did anyone see that Rey had taken the books from the library tree-stump? They were in the draw on the Millennium Falcon.[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Takuat;52979454]On the topic of the Knights of Ren [sp]Luke said Kylo took off with some of his padawans so they're out there, somewhere[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Well, they were in the force vision from tFA.[/sp]

Friend mashed up the best and worst scene together and it cracked me up [sp]https://youtu.be/HdKestv7-gg[/sp]

Regarding Snoke: [sp]I actually hoped we would turn out to be more than just Emperor v2. Like the idea of him teaming up Rey and Kylo for the ultimate combination of light and dark side of the Force. Sure, it was clear very soon he was going to be just another old sith lord but his look with the blue eyes, now with the golden robe, had a promise of something new.[/sp]

[sp]Snoke's death was like said quite a few times here quite a disappointment, was he a alien or a deformed human and what exactly made him end up as Supreme Leader Snoke anyway? Also has it been confirmed that Rey stole the books from the old Jedi tree and Yoda put the tree on fire so Luke doesn't notice they were missing?[/sp]

[URL="https://www.wired.com/story/star-wars-last-jedi-inclusion/"]Wired seems to be trying to paint criticism of the film as sexist and racist holy shit[/URL] [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE]If it weren't for his willingness to go outside, he'd be every entitled troll on the internet—and the stench of his toxic masculinity only intensifies in The Last Jedi, with his surrogate dad Supreme Leader Snoke calling him "just a child in a mask" while harassing him for being bested by a girl (aka Rey).[/QUOTE] oh my lord

[QUOTE=download;52979562]Shit, forgot to ask after i saw it: [sp]Did anyone see that Rey had taken the books from the library tree-stump? They were in the draw on the Millennium Falcon.[/sp] [/QUOTE] This bothered me. [sp] It just makes the whole "the books don't matter you dummy" lesson Yoda gave less meaningful. [/sp]

the current zeitgeist is that star wars is good again and it's progressive (which legitimately is a good thing) so being against star wars now means you're sexist I love Rey, but come on it's not sexism to dislike the direction the franchise is going

[QUOTE=darth-veger;52979670][sp]Also has it been confirmed that Rey stole the books from the old Jedi tree and Yoda put the tree on fire so Luke doesn't notice they were missing?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Yeah what was that about? Does yoda wants Rey to make a new jedi order again? Why doesn't Luke knows about it? Isn't the whole point of the balance of the force that there's no more sith nor jedi?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52979399][sp]We also didn't know shit about the emperor in the original trilogy. He was just an imposing figure, the master of Darth Vader, and the leader of a massive tyrannical government, and to be perfectly frank, he was MUCH better this way before the prequels came out and established him as just a run of the mill politician who also happened to be a Sith. Reminder that in the original trilogy, Palpatine did not even have a lightsaber, very much like Snoke in this one. The more you describe a threat the less scary it becomes, fear of the unknown is far too potent a tool. We don't need to know why Snoke's face was fucked or how he became supreme leader the same way there was no need at all to know how the emperor got to his position.[/sp] [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] And about Snoke [sp]they even lampshaded/defied expectations by having Kylo Ren's betrayal basically be a coup, and not redemption. They really built it like it was going to be a Vader style coat-turn when in reality Kylo decided to completely go his own path, something which the film foreshadows very early when he beats the shit out of his own mask as a sign that he's finally willing to drop the vader wannabe attitude and go his own path, as wrathful and unhinged as it is.[/sp][/QUOTE] Snoke wasn't shown to be any different from Palpatine outside of being [sp]wildly incompetent[/sp]. You know what would have been better? [sp]No red herrings that waste two movies setting up Anakin: Diet Coke Edition as the primary antagonist. Give us something completely unique like the Vong.[/sp] Run-of-the-mill politicians don't initiate galaxy-wide civil wars and secretly control both factions in order to attain ultimate power, all the while beguiling an entire order of mystic clairvoyants. There isn't any point to understating Palpatine's achievements simply to try and make your cheap CGI knockoff look better.

[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52979732][sp]Yeah what was that about? Does yoda wants Rey to make a new jedi order again? Why doesn't Luke knows about it? Isn't the whole point of the balance of the force that there's no more sith nor jedi?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Yeah it was kind of random of Yoda but I got a nudge it will be revealed in the next movie, though I heard the rumor that Rey stole the books after Luke kept saying the Jedi is going to end anyway while Rey looks up to the Jedi a lot so people figured she stole the books. On the topic i laughed my ass off on the puppet Yoda, it looks kinda better then CGI Yoda but it looked incredibly out of place.[/sp] [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] [video=youtube;HDwBl6tgvYo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDwBl6tgvYo[/video]