Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51605455]Is there a Disney-canon explanation for Vader's suit? I've always thought the idea that he's stuck with a purposely sabotaged one is silly. Especially now that we know [sp]he bathes in big glowing tubes.[/sp][/QUOTE] A master engineer built it and as far as we know he didn't make it horrible as fuck on purpose.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51605455]Is there a Disney-canon explanation for Vader's suit? I've always thought the idea that he's stuck with a purposely sabotaged one is silly. Especially now that we know [sp]he bathes in big glowing tubes.[/sp][/QUOTE] There is only so much you can do to someone whose body was as fucked up as Vader's.

[QUOTE=dnqboy;51605206]Besides the fact that the Emperor purposefully sabatoged the long-term dependability of his suit so that he'd always be forced to rely on Empire maintenance and not be able to rebel.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure that isn't canon anymore. [editline]31st December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51605455]Is there a Disney-canon explanation for Vader's suit? I've always thought the idea that he's stuck with a purposely sabotaged one is silly. Especially now that we know [sp]he bathes in big glowing tubes.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That is just a Bacta tank, like in ESB.[/sp] Vader is constantly in pain according to Lords of the Sith, whether that is be design or not I'm not sure. But he uses that pain to feed his anger and power in the Dark Side.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51605494]Pretty sure that isn't canon anymore. [editline]31st December 2016[/editline] [sp]That is just a Bacta tank, like in ESB.[/sp] Vader is constantly in pain according to Lords of the Sith, whether that is be design or not I'm not sure. But he uses that pain to feed his anger and power in the Dark Side.[/QUOTE] Yeah, just saying that [sp]the idea of him permanently being in an awful suit falls flat given that he gets out for a wash. He should be able to get upgrades.[/sp]

[sp]Vader's hack-n-slash scene at the end of Rogue One was arguably the best Vader scene outside of the Cloud City scenes in Empire. He's calm, cool, restrained, and is the most terrifying thing in the Star Wars universe. He just slowly walks forward, massacring everyone in his path without showing any sort of urgency. Vader is released like a rabid dog, and his bloodlust/rage is made prevalent in how he just absolutely shreds everyone.[/sp] (Rogue Juan spoils)

[QUOTE=Damjen;51604100]Vader got top of the line prosthetics made by the [URL="http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cylo"]best cybernetics expert in the galaxy.[/URL] There were no expenses spared on the armor of Darth Vader[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51605455]Is there a Disney-canon explanation for Vader's suit? I've always thought the idea that he's stuck with a purposely sabotaged one is silly. Especially now that we know [sp]he bathes in big glowing tubes.[/sp][/QUOTE] [video=youtube;FVzc20Bm8Xo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo[/video]

[QUOTE=Treznor;51605680][video=youtube;FVzc20Bm8Xo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVzc20Bm8Xo[/video][/QUOTE] None of that is canon anymore, that's all from Legends. And thank god for that, absolutely ridiculous how many writers insisted on making Vader weaker and weaker during the reign of the EU, he's actually quite formidable in Disney Canon and the suit is [B]just[/B] a suit that is only required to keep him alive since his lungs are fucked, mixed with some advanced Cybernetics and not some hulking robotic coffin made to purposefully weaken him.

[QUOTE=jonu67;51605769]None of that is canon anymore, that's all from Legends. And thank god for that, absolutely ridiculous how many writers insisted on making Vader weaker and weaker during the reign of the EU, he's actually quite formidable in Disney Canon and the suit is [B]just[/B] a suit that is only required to keep him alive since his lungs are fucked, mixed with some advanced Cybernetics and not some hulking robotic coffin made to purposefully weaken him.[/QUOTE] I know, I posed it because it's funny. And yes indeed, thank god for that.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;51604587]i shall attempt to tell you otherwise loudly and impolitely[/QUOTE] Nah, Yub Nub is way better. [video=youtube;bBMqJ9mQKpI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBMqJ9mQKpI[/video] The way the music builds up right before the credits roll is just a powerful moment.

yub nub is one of the reasons why people thought rotj was bad. the newer music is far better and more thematically fitting. i kind of want to see a fusion of the newer ending with yub nub, i think people would rage hard over hayden/yub nub together.

[QUOTE=redBadger;51605452]A movie where a character doesn't stay [sp]fully intact when they're blown away by a thermal detonator.[/sp] [Sp]a lot of the deaths like that were cheesy. Get blown ten feet by an explosive, body is fully in tact.[/sp][/QUOTE] I don't see how adding gore will improve any part of the franchise.

If we saw the people of the dark side all after violence, sex, blood and guts, the works, it could make dark side users more interesting. Like, I get that the emperor gets a massive hard on for ruling the galaxy, but there's gotta be something to suplement that. Maybe a few torture victims, a few Twi'leks chained to his throne, an imperial harem. Y'know, the kinda entertaining shit jabba has in his palace, only upscaled to ridiculous imperial proportions. The emperor has his own personal reality TV show where contestants have to survive whatever a sith lord finds entertaining as the fall into depravity.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51606628]If we saw the people of the dark side all after violence, sex, blood and guts, the works, it could make dark side users more interesting. Like, I get that the emperor gets a massive hard on for ruling the galaxy, but there's gotta be something to suplement that. Maybe a few torture victims, a few Twi'leks chained to his throne, an imperial harem. Y'know, the kinda entertaining shit jabba has in his palace, only upscaled to ridiculous imperial proportions. The emperor has his own personal reality TV show where contestants have to survive whatever a sith lord finds entertaining as the fall into depravity.[/QUOTE] Maybe when Disney decide to move into the Old Republic days. They will likely make that period pretty dark.

People really need to stop saying Disney. LucasFilm is still its own entity, they make internal decisions. I don't see people saying Disney when talking about Marvel Studios

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51606696]People really need to stop saying Disney. LucasFilm is still its own entity, they make internal decisions. I don't see people saying Disney when talking about Marvel Studios[/QUOTE] I see plenty of people saying Disney when talking about Marvel Studios though?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51606455]I don't see how adding gore will improve any part of the franchise.[/QUOTE] Watch the Grindhouse fan edit of Episode IV, Stormtroopers getting their heads blown off is kind of hilarious. And besides, Star Wars has always had gore, especially dismemberment. Remember the cantina scene? [editline]31st December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Tuskin;51606696]People really need to stop saying Disney. LucasFilm is still its own entity, they make internal decisions. I don't see people saying Disney when talking about Marvel Studios[/QUOTE] Certain aspects of Episode VII had an MCU feeling to them, especially the humor, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney was involved with the writing and production process.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51606766]Certain aspects of Episode VII had an MCU feeling to them, especially the humor, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney was involved with the writing and production process.[/QUOTE] I didn't feel that at all.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51606628]If we saw the people of the dark side all after violence, sex, blood and guts, the works, it could make dark side users more interesting. Like, I get that the emperor gets a massive hard on for ruling the galaxy, but there's gotta be something to suplement that. Maybe a few torture victims, a few Twi'leks chained to his throne, an imperial harem. Y'know, the kinda entertaining shit jabba has in his palace, only upscaled to ridiculous imperial proportions. The emperor has his own personal reality TV show where contestants have to survive whatever a sith lord finds entertaining as the fall into depravity.[/QUOTE] That'll just paint sith as psychopaths with mental disorders. Sith are lawful evil, not chaotic evil.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51605651][sp]Vader's hack-n-slash scene at the end of Rogue One was arguably the best Vader scene outside of the Cloud City scenes in Empire. He's calm, cool, restrained, and is the most terrifying thing in the Star Wars universe. He just slowly walks forward, massacring everyone in his path without showing any sort of urgency. Vader is released like a rabid dog, and his bloodlust/rage is made prevalent in how he just absolutely shreds everyone.[/sp] (Rogue Juan spoils)[/QUOTE] To be fair if he had just [sp]picked up the pace a bit he probably could have taken the plans [/sp] :v:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51607084]That'll just paint sith as psychopaths with mental disorders. Sith are lawful evil, not chaotic evil.[/QUOTE] are they though? Some of them are pretty balanced, say Vader or Palp. But others (or at times, everyone) seem to be entirely ruled by their emotions. IDK. Sick games and power fantasies are really where sith lie. Power for it's own sake can hold your interest, but it's better to use your power for something. Something you can be compassionate about. Like, if I were in the star wars universe, and force sensitive and had a teacher, I'd probably just abuse mind tricks or something, maybe beat rivals with powers. Give me really comfortable living, Like there's nothing wrong with wanting to beat someone (well, there is) it's part of human nature, but surely comforts take priority? Do sith have to be evil? Isn't love,lust and compasion supposed to be part of the darkside? What happens if you use the force with love? Your eyes glow yellow and you start spouting about your power, right?

[QUOTE=The Jack;51606628]Like, I get that the emperor gets a massive hard on for ruling the galaxy, but there's gotta be something to suplement that. Maybe a few torture victims, a few Twi'leks chained to his throne, an imperial harem. Y'know, the kinda entertaining shit jabba has in his palace, only upscaled to ridiculous imperial proportions. The emperor has his own personal reality TV show where contestants have to survive whatever a sith lord finds entertaining as the fall into depravity.[/QUOTE] I feel that would actually make the Emperor seem less intimidating. I mean, all that carnal stuff Jabba has in his palace, it just makes him seem even more revolting and slimy. But when the movies actually get to the Emperor, he's just sitting there in his spartan throne room, and he doesn't seem to care about anything at all except power for the sake of power and turning Luke to the dark side. If we saw him indulging in passions like a harem or something, he'd seem more human and relatable. But as it is, the Emperor just seems almost like some inhuman archetype of evil, there just to spread dark all over the galaxy and ascended far beyond any other pursuits. His sadistic pleasure and rage as he tortures Luke is all you really need to see of the more banal aspects of the dark side.

Fair point. But what happens if you do use the force with love, or drug addled euphoria, or lust? Do you start to look and act all sithy. are there any groups in cannon that do this sorta stuff.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51607435]Do sith have to be evil? Isn't love,lust and compasion supposed to be part of the darkside? What happens if you use the force with love? Your eyes glow yellow and you start spouting about your power, right?[/QUOTE] In Legends, there was a Darth Vectivus; a clever businessman who became a Sith after discovering his own force sensitivty and getting curious about it. He still had the lust for power and all that, but he tempered it with his own morals and self-discipline, and ended up fading into obscurity because he never did anything evil, and died peacefully among friends and family. Really hope he gets referenced at some point, he's a pretty fun concept. edit: also i always assumed the sith who gave into their emotions and lust, rather than controlling them, were the weaker ones thus Kylo Ren and his angst spasms

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[QUOTE=Lambda 217;51607594]I feel that would actually make the Emperor seem less intimidating. I mean, all that carnal stuff Jabba has in his palace, it just makes him seem even more revolting and slimy. But when the movies actually get to the Emperor, he's just sitting there in his spartan throne room, and he doesn't seem to care about anything at all except power for the sake of power and turning Luke to the dark side. If we saw him indulging in passions like a harem or something, he'd seem more human and relatable. But as it is, the Emperor just seems almost like some inhuman archetype of evil, there just to spread dark all over the galaxy and ascended far beyond any other pursuits. His sadistic pleasure and rage as he tortures Luke is all you really need to see of the more banal aspects of the dark side.[/QUOTE]my take on it would be that his ambitions are simply beyond petty evils like owning sex slaves and routinely torturing for entertainment or all of that other cliché villain stuff that villains do. i mean i'm sure he enjoys inflicting torture and suffering but they're completely secondary to his actual goals, so insignificant that he doesn't need to make a much of a show out of how evil and sadistic he is to his few actual enemies. he only needs to show his evilness enough to keep everyone else in line. as we learn in Ep. III, the Emperor (supposedly?) sought immortality, and after that the next logical step for a power-hungry villain might be omniscience and then even perhaps omnipotence, godhood. he doesn't need the pleasures of the flesh, and so he certainly doesn't need to put up any material displays of how evil and powerful he is, because that lack of that display alone sums up his entire character - you don't see physical evils in this man's throne room, because his evil goes beyond the physical. Jabba had whores and dancers and servitors because that's where his ambition ends - petty material fortunes, money and people. to the Emperor all of this would be tools to be spent, means to an end, and that end would be to transcend the bindings of physicality and mortality and rule the universe.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51606628]If we saw the people of the dark side all after violence, sex, blood and guts, the works, it could make dark side users more interesting. Like, I get that the emperor gets a massive hard on for ruling the galaxy, but there's gotta be something to suplement that. Maybe a few torture victims, a few Twi'leks chained to his throne, an imperial harem. Y'know, the kinda entertaining shit jabba has in his palace, only upscaled to ridiculous imperial proportions. The emperor has his own personal reality TV show where contestants have to survive whatever a sith lord finds entertaining as the fall into depravity.[/QUOTE] dark lords of the sith aren't vampires, man.

[QUOTE=Pops;51608652]dark lords of the sith aren't vampires, man.[/QUOTE] [img_thumb]https://modwestmuse.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/8877-christopher-lee-dracula-movies.jpg[/img_thumb] pretty sure count dooku was a vampire????

[QUOTE=usaokay;51608901]I'm still amazed they got Forest "I have an Oscar" Whitaker in a cartoon show. James Earl Jones and Anthony Daniels, I totally understand. But Forest "[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vkEWzBCLyY]I can't catch Van Damme[/url]" Whitaker? Damn. But I guess for Star Wars, anything is possible. Maybe we'll see a Jyn Erso cameo too. They could show what happened when Saw's group [sp]deserted her[/sp] or maybe show how Saw lost his foot.[/QUOTE] You think Disney is going to make any film without signing on every actor for multiple portrayals? I expect to see Saw in Rebels and probably a few other Anthology films. Especially if they keep setting stories in-between 3 and 4. I fully expect Cassian and K-2SO to both pop up in another film sometime. Certainly Rebels.

Was anyone else extremely disappointed by Krennic in Rogue One? From the pre-release footage i got the impression he'd be some serious, badass security director who would stop at nothing to get the plans back, especially from the trailer with him standing infront of a Death Star screen and just casually walking through destruction on Sarif. In the movie though he's [sp] pretty pathetic, is overshadowed by Tarkin and is generally quite useless. The scene at the start of the movie with him portrayed him along the sort of lines i expected but after that it felt like his character just went nowhere and he didn't actually do anything[/sp]