Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52980494] [sp]And yes, Ren managed what Vader couldn't, primarily because Ren's master was an idiot. And I don't think anyone for a moment would consider Kylo Ren, what with all his hotheaded shouting and temper tantrums, a worthy candidate for big bad. At least Vader was a calm and collected leader, who could have conceivably run an empire.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Hi, I do consider him that. He's my favorite villain behind Tarkin (just can't beat Peter Cushing) because he's not just a man in a scary black suit with a cape. He's unstable, he's childish, he's Anakin in Episode 3 done right. I think the point is that he's not someone you'd expect to run an empire, and that it may go awry for him. I'm really excited to see what happens in IX.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Oizen;52980503]I want Star wars to go away. Seeing it absolutely everywhere. And its going to be like that for a long time. Its getting tiring.[/QUOTE] Oh nooo

[QUOTE=bdd458;52980412]So do we add new things in, or not? If we don't it gets called out as "remember this, memberberries!", if new stuff added in its "wow they're just looking to sell merchandise >:(" seems to be a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moment.[/quote] [sp]I feel like there should be new designs, but designs that make sense. If we look back, we see at-at walkers that have to go on the icy tundra. at-st's are scout walkers that dealt with the close quarters forest in endor. like, these designs make sense. but if we look at the gorilla walkers, they were there for about 3 minutes, and use their one function to shoot luke. they hyped them up a lot with trailers and such, it just felt like a cash grab.[/sp] [quote] according to who? [/quote] [sp]well, me. i can visualize the butthead cantina band or the utapau inhabitants, but won't be able to remember any of the aliens in last jedi (like in the casino). i can barely remember how the drunk small alien that puts the coin in bb-8 looks like.[/sp] [quote] [sp]Because they would have gotten shot down by the surface turrets?? like that was the whole point of poe destroying the turrets.[/sp] [/quote] [sp]he took out most of them in like 15 seconds and couldn't do much about the last one. maybe I'm remembering it wrong though, but it felt like he had ample time to call the bombers and get started already.[/sp] [quote] [sp]The Force, or Space? legit question here[/sp] [/quote] [sp]both i guess. it just felt like super plot armor and looked very weird visually. [/sp] [quote] [sp]Because he was demoted, and honestly not very trustworthy at that moment because of his penchant for doing stupid things and getting people killed because he wants to be ~the hero~. which is exactly what his plan ended up doing. Yes, Holdo telling him the plan would have prevented that, but he had betrayed the trust put in him by that point. He needed to just shut up and follow orders.[/sp] [/quote] [sp]yeah, you're right. unfortunately, it made poe really annoying to me which is sad cause I loved him in tfa.[/sp] [quote] [sp]As far as I could tell, she didn't know he was a ghost. Just that he had to confrot Kylo.[/sp] [/quote] [sp]yeah but i'm thinking for both sides, if she knew he was a ghost or didn't. you could tell when luke held her hand, she had a sort of puzzled look.[/sp] [quote] [sp]Because it's his projection, if he wants to interact that's his choice to make it do so[/sp] [/quote] [sp]i feel like that's sort of a long shot though... I just felt very iffy on the force projection in general[/sp] [quote] [sp]The one handed to Leia wasn't real. It was a projection of The Force and faded when Luke became one with The Force[/sp]. [/quote] [sp]same issue i have here as well. it's just odd that luke can control all these physical properties of a force-ghosted object and projection.[/sp] [quote] [sp]Ren actually does what Vader couldn't - turn on his master and take power for himself. He's doing what he's been trying to do, finish what his grandfather started.[/sp] [/quote] [sp]what i was getting at for that point though was that at the start of the movie, kylo is bad seeking power and rey is good seeking guidance. at the end of the movie, nothing changes. comparison to empire strikes back: luke beginning to learn force, fucks up by losing hand as a consequence of leaving early. learns vader's his dad. vader ruthless in the beginning fucking everybody's shit up. at the end, he has some sort of "i fucked up" feeling when he does the semi double take when the falcon goes into hyperspace.[/sp] [quote] [sp]we literally get shown the books she stole[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]yes, but yoda also says "page turners, we are not." but yeah, i guess you are right with that point.[/sp] I like having sane conversations like this. Also sorry for the long posts folks.

[QUOTE=bdd458;52980518][sp]Hi, I do consider him that. He's my favorite villain behind Tarkin (just can't beat Peter Cushing) because he's not just a man in a scary black suit with a cape. He's unstable, he's childish, he's Anakin in Episode 3 done right. I think the point is that he's not someone you'd expect to run an empire, and that it may go awry for him. I'm really excited to see what happens in IX.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]So... you enjoy inept villains? Kylo Ren is a far cry from Tarkin's calculating military presence. I'm sorry, he already looks pitiful next to the villains of the true Star Wars Saga, and when juxtaposed with the big bad of that saga, looks even worse. Almost everything that has transpired in this movie confirms my initial thoughts over how this trilogy is entirely gratuitous and never should have been anything more than an "Episode II" of a brand new story.[/sp]

[Sp]Leia flies through space using the force. Very cheap play on the audience's assumption that Leia will die because her actress did. Also seems to cheapen the bit later we here Luke talking about how he won't be the last Jedi. [/sp] [QUOTE=shad0w440;52980501]Where did he come from, where did he go. At least he had nice robes.[/QUOTE] [Sp]The robes were weird, is he not a sith? The color scheme would suggest he is, but the robes are odd. No traditional titles. Some other fiction of force sensitives like with the blind monk dude in Rogue? [/sp]

I don't get people being angry about [sp]Rey being a nobody and such The whole film's theme was "Let it go", I felt like they were staring at the audience every time they said it. Star Wars is so bogged down in constantly trying to retread as much as possible from the older films, it's time we move on and see what the galaxy looks like outside of Skywalkers and everything. I really liked Snoke's death too. He's a powerful force user, but he's no true Emperor. He is good at manipulation, and everyone was convinced he was the reincarnation of Sidious, when in reality he was just scary and tricked everyone into thinking he was far more powerful than he is. I feel like the biggest changes I would have made to the movie, besides removing the prank call joke in the beginning and not dragging out Carrie Fisher's zombie to fly through space, would be replace the Rear Admiral or whatever with Ackbar. His sendoff felt oddly sudden and having a rather beloved (by the fans) OT character in the cockpit would have made it feel a lot better. But God [i]damn[/i] that hypserspace shot. That made the movie, everyone in my theater was quietly whispering things like "Oh my god" "Holy shit", I always wanted to see what the result of, maybe, a hyper space accident would be. It was just so good. Also Star Wars fans finally got the Imperial Guard fight they always wanted and it was great.[/sp] [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord Exor;52980528][sp]So... you enjoy inept villains? Kylo Ren is a far cry from Tarkin's calculating military presence. I'm sorry, he already looks pitiful next to the villains of the true Star Wars Saga, and when juxtaposed with the big bad of that saga, looks even worse.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Not every villain needs to be a cold calculating mastermind. Having The First Order be the opposite of the Empire, falling apart, unstable, fueled by pure insanity and hatred, instead of pure evil, calculating and nothing besides endless power, is a great juxtaposition.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Oizen;52980503]I want Star wars to go away. Seeing it absolutely everywhere. And its going to be like that for a long time. Its getting tiring.[/QUOTE] Where have you been the past 40 years?

[QUOTE=bdd458;52980518][sp]Hi, I do consider him that. He's my favorite villain behind Tarkin (just can't beat Peter Cushing) because he's not just a man in a scary black suit with a cape. He's unstable, he's childish, he's Anakin in Episode 3 done right. I think the point is that he's not someone you'd expect to run an empire, and that it may go awry for him. I'm really excited to see what happens in IX.[/sp][/QUOTE] I dig Kylo being a psycho but I am not looking forward to IX (or Han Solo unless that movie is really seedy)

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52980528][sp]So... you enjoy inept villains? Kylo Ren is a far cry from Tarkin's calculating military presence.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]He's actually different has character. Instead of going with just another scary man in a black suit, they created someone who wants to be like that, but in all honesty, will not be another Vader. Kylo's entire thing is attempting to live up to that legacy. It's a very interesting dynamic to me because it's so different to what we've had for villains in the past. Everyone else was this cold calculating supervillain, maul, dooku, palpatine, vader, tarkin, etc... They did something actually unique with Kylo instead of just making him that again. And seieng him stay evil and not be swayed was a huge surprise to me, because I had though in the moment that Rey somehow through their bond convinced him to go good.[/sp] i really gotta get to work on this paper so I'll just respond to this one thing before I go [QUOTE=Niven;52980524][sp]yeah, you're right. unfortunately, it made poe really annoying to me which is sad cause I loved him in tfa.[/sp][/quote] [sp]I'm the opposite. I didn't like Poe in TFA at all. I thought he was shoehorned back in because Oscar Issac didn't want to die in another movie. He was too perfect, the most amazing ace pilot ever. I was so happy to see that he gets taken down a few pegs in TLJ, and his jokes and boasting and headstrong attitude got him and the resistance into real trouble this time. I actually started to like him has a character[/sp]. I agree with the Han Solo movie being a mistake though, dunno what went through Lucasfilm's head for that one...

[sp]Was the scene with Luke milking the tits really that crucial to the overall plot. Feels like a lot of scenes in this film are there just to be there, sell toys, or give the audience a cheap laugh. Looking at the porgs[/sp]

[QUOTE=bdd458;52980553] [sp]I'm the opposite. I didn't like Poe in TFA at all. I thought he was shoehorned back in because Oscar Issac didn't want to die in another movie. He was too perfect, the most amazing ace pilot ever. I was so happy to see that he gets taken down a few pegs in TLJ, and his jokes and boasting and headstrong attitude got him and the resistance into real trouble this time. I actually started to like him has a character[/sp].[/QUOTE] [sp]I liked that too, really thought he'd be the cause of Leia's "death." He just became really annoying later on with the whole mutiny and stuff[/sp] good luck on your paper tho ✌️

[QUOTE=redBadger;52980560][sp]Was the scene with Luke milking the tits really that crucial to the overall plot. Feels like a lot of scenes in this film are there just to be there, sell toys, or give the audience a cheap laugh. Looking at the porgs[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]i agree but also i was a big fan of chewie eating the porgs scene[/sp]

I gotta agree on Lord Exor here: while I really liked Kylo Ren in The Force Awakens [sp]I'm having a very hard time picturing him as the big bad of the whole thing[/sp]. Also, the more details I uncover about this movie the better it gets. Like, [sp]the Knights of Ren don't actually make any appearence and PHASMA FUCKING DIES without doing much once again[/sp]. Fucking beautiful.

[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;52980469]Oh yeah, on Crait, was Thom Yorke one of the resistance pilots? I swear I saw him for a split second AND he was at the world premiere...[/QUOTE] This is fucking huge if true

[QUOTE=redBadger;52980560][sp]Was the scene with Luke milking the tits really that crucial to the overall plot. Feels like a lot of scenes in this film are there just to be there, sell toys, or give the audience a cheap laugh. Looking at the porgs[/sp][/QUOTE] By the same merit I'm shocked how many people are getting their dicks in a knot over that ten second scene. Like I enjoyed the film, but there are legit complaints to be had about it. I don't think a little a joke about [sp] weird alien milk[/sp] is one of them. There are some eye-rollers but I think if people are saying those dragged the movie down for them, they went in wanting to be disappointed. They're completely inconsequential.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52980512]Disney is speculated to manipulate critics, and I honestly wouldn't doubt it.[/QUOTE] They own a third of the entertainment industry and have been proven to blacklist reviewers who aren't positive. It's not really a stretch.

[QUOTE=JeSuisIkea;52980434]Honestly surprised at the hate here. Really liked it personally.[/QUOTE] People are thinking a bit too critical perhaps? I'm sure people had enough things to bitch about if Episode 4 5 and 6 were released on this day.

[QUOTE=Dippeggs;52980224]There was way too many comedy bits in it. I think it was really detrimental to the film.[/QUOTE] People said this about TFA and I was fine with it. I'll probably be fine with the comedy in this too. Full disclosure though; I liked Jar Jar Binks.

[QUOTE=rutolfus;52980439] a tad too much [sp]The leia scene flying back to the ship[/sp][/QUOTE] wasn't that just [sp]kylo moving her after hesitating to pull the trigger (and not doing it)[/sp]?

[QUOTE=Oizen;52980503]I want Star wars to go away. Seeing it absolutely everywhere. And its going to be like that for a long time. Its getting tiring.[/QUOTE] You can hate it all you want but asking for something that a lot of people love (or any piece of art) to go away is not a request that will ever be fulfilled.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;52980595]People are thinking a bit too critical perhaps? I'm sure people had enough things to bitch about if Episode 4 5 and 6 were released as new.[/QUOTE] I mean it's only natural. If you love something you want it to be absolutely perfect, and Star Wars has always been on this extreme pedestal. The bar is unrealistically high. Though, I'll admit dismissing positive reviews as shilling is pretty childish.

Just saw it today, resounding EH

[QUOTE=redBadger;52980560][sp]Was the scene with Luke milking the tits really that crucial to the overall plot. Feels like a lot of scenes in this film are there just to be there, sell toys, or give the audience a cheap laugh. Looking at the porgs[/sp][/QUOTE] I think the point of that scene was [sp]to show what kind of life Luke has been living in seclusion, and Luke demonstrating what it would take for Rey to be on that island and train with him, probably to dissuade her. It's not pretty, and Luke went to extremes to be in complete solitude, to the point of having to drink weird-ass green alien milk.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Perl;52980618]wasn't that just [sp]kylo moving her after hesitating to pull the trigger (and not doing it)[/sp]?[/QUOTE] [sp]It looked clear to me that Leia is the one doing it; the camera focuses on her reaching her hand out as if to pull herself in.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Oizen;52980503]I want Star wars to go away. Seeing it absolutely everywhere. And its going to be like that for a long time. Its getting tiring.[/QUOTE] I feel the same about Overwatch.

got back from seeing it [sp]B-plot seemed unnecessary and messy. cinematography was amazing, not to even mention the hyperspace ramming. was that admiral lady really necessary as a character when you could've used an older Rebellion era hero? Luke's passing was nicely foreshadowed and pulled off really well in my opinion, he had the angstmaster by the balls. Holy shit it's Yoda, and a puppet too? I was hoping Ren would find redemption or at least form a grey Force faction with Rey but guess he prefers being a little bitch - I expect Hux to do a power grab and bite him in the ass in the final film. Rey's marysueness was nicely deconstructed. Leia floating was a surprise and could've been done better. The Supremacy is big but still doesn't hold a candle to the Executor, its reveal should've been more drawn out, would've been more memorable that way. And come on, we just saw it and now you blow it up?! Are they going to have a fleet of those in Ep9? Pacing issues, it felt like the movie reached a suitable ending climax three times or so. Where the hell are the Knights of Ren, or will they show up in the final installment to fight Rey? If Phasma STILL somehow comes back in the next one I'll flip the next row's seat and its occupant. BB-8 hijacking that AT-ST was hilarious and awesome. Many jokes were cheap, too many to list, but there were good ones too, like that one with Chewie on the campfire. The Force communion thing was cool as shit. Gorilla walkers were underused. I felt Rian was deliberately toying with the "Rehash" accusations in parts, like how the Rebels setting up in the trenches was almost identical to that shot from Empire.[/sp] i feel like i need to see it again to judge it better, but i'd say it was way better than TFA, 8.5/10, or maybe take half a point off that for [sp]the rapid fire cheap humour[/sp], so 8/10 one thing caught my eye and ear in that one Snoke scene, [sp]why was Palpatine's theme used so prominently?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Joazzz;52980656]got back from seeing it [sp]B-plot seemed unnecessary and messy. cinematography was amazing, not to even mention the hyperspace ramming. was that admiral lady really necessary as a character when you could've used an older Rebellion era hero? Luke's passing was nicely foreshadowed and pulled off really well in my opinion, he had the angstmaster by the balls. Holy shit it's Yoda, and a puppet too? I was hoping Ren would find redemption or at least form a grey Force faction with Rey but guess he prefers being a little bitch - I expect Hux to do a power grab and bite him in the ass in the final film. Rey's marysueness was nicely deconstructed. Leia floating was a surprise and could've been done better. The Supremacy is big but still doesn't hold a candle to the Executor, its reveal should've been more drawn out, would've been more memorable that way. And come on, we just saw it and now you blow it up?! Are they going to have a fleet of those in Ep9? Pacing issues, it felt like the movie reached a suitable ending climax three times or so. Where the hell are the Knights of Ren, or will they show up in the final installment to fight Rey? If Phasma STILL somehow comes back in the next one I'll flip the next row's seat and its occupant. BB-8 hijacking that AT-ST was hilarious and awesome. Many jokes were cheap, too many to list, but there were good ones too, like that one with Chewie on the campfire. The Force communion thing was cool as shit. Gorilla walkers were underused. I felt Rian was deliberately toying with the "Rehash" accusations in parts, like how the Rebels setting up in the trenches was almost identical to that shot from Empire.[/sp] i feel like i need to see it again to judge it better, but i'd say it was way better than TFA, 8.5/10, or maybe take half a point off that for [sp]the rapid fire cheap humour[/sp], so 8/10 one thing caught my eye and ear in that one Snoke scene, [sp]why was Palpatine's theme used so prominently?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I hated the movie's use of Palpatine's theme. They're too liberal with the usage of iconic themes for scenes they have no place being in, especially when the characters associated with them are gone. Remember when the usage of Palpatine's theme in [I]The Phantom Menace[/I] foreshadowed the identity of Darth Sidious? Remember when that sort of thing was meaningful? Williams is engaging in cheap nostalgic callbacks in the score to get people to go "Oh yeah, I remember that happening before! Cool!"[/sp]

Watching TLJ just kinda made me sad, because all of the neat narrative avenues the film opened up will inevitably be jettisoned by J.J in favor of a ROTJ remake to cap things off. At least we've got a new, original trilogy in the pipeline.

I haven't seen it yet but I always thought Ren dying would be the natural way for things to go. Essentially revealing a very powerful character, and then having them die is pretty much the standard. Finn makes a more interesting character to me cause he wasn't stronger than Kylo, their battle was way better than Ren vs Kylo. Essentially make Ren the false protagonist and make Finn the true one.

I went in with low expectations and was so pleasantly surprised. It scratched so many itches from a Star Wars movie that I've wanted. Some questionable choice but the cinematography and sound design are off the charts IMO