Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

I'm just left wondering how the first order manages to function properly, it seems most all of the top brass are horribly myopic strategists who fall right into traps, and they are so far up their own ass that they cant conceive of being outsmarted despite the fact it KEEPS FUCKING HAPPENING.

TLJ spoilers So are the [sp] Knights of Ren just completely ignored/retconned for good? I hope Episode 9 shows the Knights of Ren finally since he's now supreme leader.[/sp]

from the reviews so far it seems like it's what i expected; a Rian Johnson movie seeing it today so I'll find out first-hand

TLJ big spoilers [URL]https://i.imgur.com/e8G72iA.jpg[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;52979931]I'm sorry but [sp]I cant take this film seriously when the main premise doesn't make ANY logical sense. Are you telling me that the First Order, which is apparently now completely controlling the Galaxy, had no spare Star Destroyers to just hyperspace into range of the Resistance ships retreating, possibly from another angle? Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that them "keeping out of range" makes any fucking sense? FFS The Star Destroyers following them could have just hyperspaced out, then hyperspaced back in CLOSER and in kill range of the Resistance ships. It doesn't make any sense.[/sp] [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] This logic works in a vacuum but when there's already been a story taking place before this with a big bad we sort of need to know [sp]where this new big bad came from/where he was this whole time. it really doesn't make sense otherwise and is immersion breaking.[/sp] [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] If someone can actually answer these 3 questions I'll change my opinion of the movie: [sp] Why didn't the FO call in another Star Destroyer fleet to pincer them from another angle, or just come in closer and in range? Why didn't Snoke's fleet hyperspace out, then back in much closer range? We already know that you can hyperspace out within hundreds of meters of your target, Han did it with the Falcon last movie. Why didn't they send in a massive amount of TIE Fighters? Ren wiped out their fighters, and the "we can't support you from this range" line is complete bollocks because in EP4 we see the inferior Empire TIE Fighters doing patrols thousands of miles from the Death Star. Since we know the FO TIEs are better than the Empire ones, we know they absolutely had the operating range to go in and fuck up the last Resistance ships.[/sp][/QUOTE] The word you're looking for is contrivance, and this movie is fuuuuuuuulll of it. Essentially hinges on it. oh noes the first order am chase us halp pls [sp] Two words: B-Wing. Two other words: Open Bridge. Crisis averted. Adds insult to injury by having calamari bombers instead of B-wings for some pointless HAI GAIS AMABER GEORGE MADE BATTLE LIKE THAT ONE OLD WAR WHERE OLD PEOPLE USED PROPELLARS PLANESES? I AMAMBER also weird matrix slow motion detonator thing [/sp] Fin is confused [sp] Fin wasn't confused in the last movie after about an hour and half in, did Ben force choke his brain out of his skull? [/sp] Poe has a frowny face [sp] Did someone kick and run over Poe's crystal fox puppy farm during the text crawl? Cause this is literally a different character from the first movie after the first scene [/sp] Luke is sad/mad/confused/tired/pick a random expression for this scene face [sp] This is one of the biggest offenders. You don't even have to veer off of his established characterization to fix this, which is the most annoying part. The entire point of RTJ was Luke learning to take shit like a jedi and take the long view as well as relying on his good instincts to handle short term bullshit. The entire arc could just as easily been handled by Luke banishing Ben as the jedi of old would have and then having Ben come back hella strong and just wrecking the new temple out of spite and jealousy, with Luke completely unprepared for how strong he was, and this even puts Snoke as a more of a credible threat, since his teaching put Ben over the top in terms of raw fuck you. But no, Luke has a midwife crisis that doesn't even kind of track where his character was, despite everyone else from the original trilogy in TFA staying the course even though it was harder to do. Makes no sense. Luke still arrives at the same conclusion, he still has to make the same choices in TLJ, and he doesn't look like Anakin redux doing it, and Yoda even gets to say the same things he did, and no context fuckery or character 180 is required [/sp] insert random side plot here [sp] For this to even work, the characters need to learn something or get something done, and neither of those things occur here; in fact, Fin basically goes through the same character rounding he did the first time, except this time instead of giving Rey the time she needs to cowboy up, he almost gets Rose killed. Dumb. [/sp]

There were some really memorable scenes in the movie, but I felt that it was way too reminiscent of Episode V. Which was especially annoying, when considering that Episode VII was too reminiscent of Episode IV.

i honestly felt this movie was in the 8/10 area. much better than VII and had a decent amount of character development for the main characters and even the side characters. VII had terrible character development.

I just came back from the movie and I loved it. The only complaints I have is the length and [sp]the length of the Canto Bight sequence[/sp] I'll probably see it a second time in a few weeks once the crowds start thinning out.

[QUOTE=Lime-alicious;52980631]I mean it's only natural. If you love something you want it to be absolutely perfect, and Star Wars has always been on this extreme pedestal. The bar is unrealistically high. Though, I'll admit dismissing positive reviews as shilling is pretty childish.[/QUOTE] When you see reviews like this it's not hard to wonder if they are either paid off/incompetent or afraid to give the movie a fair review [t]https://i.imgur.com/XBdxyV1.jpg[/t]

[sp]Yoda's look was also pretty off, CG yoda from Ep2 and 3 looked more accurate then that puppet (i'm assuming it's a puppet) still looked better then Episode 1 Yoda though, lol. While it was nice to hear Frank Oz again, he can't do the voice anymore, he hardly sounded anything like Yoda. Which is weird, I think he voiced him fine in Star Wars Rebels[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52980876][sp]Yoda's look was also pretty off, CG yoda from Ep2 and 3 looked more accurate then that puppet (i'm assuming it's a puppet) still looked better then Episode 1 Yoda though, lol. While it was nice to hear Frank Oz again, he can't do the voice anymore, he hardly sounded anything like Yoda. Which is weird, I think he voiced him fine in Star Wars Rebels[/sp][/QUOTE] Accurate to what?

[QUOTE=halfer;52981001]Accurate to what?[/QUOTE] [sp]the ESB/ROTJ puppet[/sp] [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] this may have been mentioned already (avoided the thread until today) but the soundtrack is out on spotify and itunes.

I did like how Luke kinda [sp]shat on the Jedi order from the prequels calling them incompetent even in their prime of identifying and dealing with Palpatine.[/sp]

92% on RT just means 92% of the critics didn't think the film was bad, doesn't mean it was 92 out of 100, incase anyone still doesn't know. You can get a fuck ton of 7/10s or even 6/10s and get over 90%.

So did [sp]no one plan all 3 films in advance or are each 3 films being made individually? really felt like TFA was written, filmed, completed, then the script for 8 was written by someone completely different after. Snoke being killed off immediately felt like going from "oh we have this cool character I can't wait until we see where this goes" to "eh we don't need him i'll just kill him off[/sp] Really felt like there was no planning ahead of time.

[QUOTE=redBadger;52981033]I did like how Luke kinda [sp]shat on the Jedi order from the prequels calling them incompetent even in their prime of identifying and dealing with Palpatine.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Pretty sure Episode 3 did that before Luke.[/sp] [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=redBadger;52981044] Really felt like there was no planning ahead of time.[/QUOTE] We know each movie was suppose to feature one of the main OT cast. Ep9 was suppose to be Leia's movie.

[sp] So now that we've established that light speed ramming is a thing, why is anyone even bothering with these massive space ships and shit since all you need to do to bring them down is put engines on a block of metal and just ram it? I feel like it kinda breaks the whole setting space battles wise because X-Wings can now do more damage as battering rams rather than as fighters [/sp]

Battlefront 2 and TLJ story spoilers [sp]Poe and the Resistance knew how to destroy the dreadnought because of Iden and friends, they stole the plans for it off a Star Destroyer[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52981045] We know each movie was suppose to feature one of the main OT cast. Ep9 was suppose to be Leia's movie.[/QUOTE] [sp]Sure that's fine but let's make sure to kill everyone off because reasons?? Hans death fine but Luke not only insulted the legacy of the character but Mark Hamill and the audience and star wars fans everywhere imo.[/sp]

[QUOTE=redBadger;52981059][sp]Sure that's fine but let's make sure to kill everyone off because reasons?? Hans death fine but Luke not only insulted the legacy of the character but Mark Hamill and the audience and star wars fans everywhere imo.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I thought his death was perfect, just at the wrong time[/sp]

[QUOTE=Mmrnmhrm;52981049][sp] So now that we've established that light speed ramming is a thing, why is anyone even bothering with these massive space ships and shit since all you need to do to bring them down is put engines on a block of metal and just ram it? I feel like it kinda breaks the whole setting space battles wise because X-Wings can now do more damage as battering rams rather than as fighters [/sp][/QUOTE] Good question.

[QUOTE=Mmrnmhrm;52981049][sp] So now that we've established that light speed ramming is a thing, why is anyone even bothering with these massive space ships and shit since all you need to do to bring them down is put engines on a block of metal and just ram it? I feel like it kinda breaks the whole setting space battles wise because X-Wings can now do more damage as battering rams rather than as fighters [/sp][/QUOTE] I feel like the only reason that was so effective is because [sp]the Raddus is a pretty huge ship, about twice the length of an Empire-era Star Destroyer. Those aren't cheap, especially because I bet without the mass from all of the internals of the ship it wouldn't have caused nearly as much damage.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Mmrnmhrm;52981049][sp] So now that we've established that light speed ramming is a thing, why is anyone even bothering with these massive space ships and shit since all you need to do to bring them down is put engines on a block of metal and just ram it? I feel like it kinda breaks the whole setting space battles wise because X-Wings can now do more damage as battering rams rather than as fighters [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Because money and lack of resources. it is a waste[/sp]

I genuinely enjoyed The Last Jedi as well, and while it stumbled here and there [sp]The whole casino world substory with Finn and Mary served very little purpose for how much time it took[/sp]; I praise what I felt like was subversions of the audiences expectations and overall darker tone (Aside from the jokes).

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52981071][sp]Because money and lack of resources. it is a waste[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Just send a bunch of droids with little slots in them like BB-8 has to the Casino Royal and wait for drunken aliens to put money into them. Give it a night and they will plenty of money for one of those big ships![/sp]

Has anybody else noticed that the score went [sp]full on New Hope right after the title crawl?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Flicky;52981069]I feel like the only reason that was so effective is because [sp]the Raddus is a pretty huge ship, about twice the length of an Empire-era Star Destroyer. Those aren't cheap, especially because I bet without the mass from all of the internals of the ship it wouldn't have caused nearly as much damage.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] But the impact also destroyed/critically damaged the entire fleet behind the ship. Anything Star Destroyer size or greater is just a giant bullseye for an asteroid fitted with lightspeed engines. There is no way a Star Destroyer is anywhere near cost efficient when the enemy can build a block of metal with less mass and less complex internals and just ram it in without any countermeasures. [/sp]

[QUOTE=halfer;52981080]Has anybody else noticed that the score went [sp]full on New Hope right after the title crawl?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]All the Star Wars main themes go that way after the crawl[/sp]

[QUOTE=Flicky;52981069]I feel like the only reason that was so effective is because [sp]the Raddus is a pretty huge ship, about twice the length of an Empire-era Star Destroyer. Those aren't cheap, especially because I bet without the mass from all of the internals of the ship it wouldn't have caused nearly as much damage.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Plus Hux and co were overconfident and didn't realise just what Holdo was doing until it was too late to stop her. Given that the Raddus needed to be lined up just right and charge up for hyperspeed, it doesn't feel like something you could do on a whim against any enemy that was expecting it. Also a ship named in honour of Raddus being used to ram a Star Destroyer is just perfect.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52981093][sp]All the Star Wars main themes start that way[/sp][/QUOTE] Just checked Jedi and Empire - wasn't there. To elaborate, here's what I mean, starts at 1:54, ends at 1:59 [media]https://youtu.be/yHfLyMAHrQE[/media]