Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

Only thing Rogue One has going for it is cool action scenes and arguably the best fan service moment in any SW movie. But that isn’t nearly enough to make it a good movie imo, it’s one of those movies where you go “eh that was entertaining i guess” and immediately forget about it 1 hour later

From Reddit, [sp]Ackbar should've taken Holdo's spot, and after Hux realizes that the empty cruiser is actually targeting them he yells "IT'S A TRAP"[/sp] :zing:

I went dark on anything relating to TLJ for its entire pre-release as much as I could. I stayed away from trailers, interviews, anything. I had no idea what to expect. As a lifelong fan, it made me feel like Star Wars made me feel when I was a little kid again. No other piece of media in the franchise has been able to rekindle that feeling in me until now. I enjoyed TFA but it didn't have that sort of magical quality that TLJ had for me. I really have nothing but love for it.

Just watched it with a few friends. Overall I would say it's a strong entry into the series. Still gathering my feelings on it so I won't be able to rank it for a bit. There were definitely some bits that could have been cut out or done in an entirely different way that wouldn't look so awkward. Plus, there were some poorly played out jokes that kind of pulled me out of it towards the beginning of the movie. But I never found myself bored in the slightest, even during some of the subplots others have complained about. There was a lot to love in the movie. The cinematography and scene composition of some parts in the latter half of the movie were top notch and possibly even my favorite from the series so far - as well as the action that accompanied them. I think they did a really good job with it overall. If IX can improve that, tighten the pacing and cut some of the unnecessary jokes that don't fit the drier wit of the series then we'll have absolutely stand out, fantastic movie. I definitely feel like Rotten Tomatoes is getting metabombed by some overzealous fans in both directions. I lean closer, though not as high, as the critic scoring - if that's even worth anything to anyone. It's worth seeing, without a doubt and light years ahead of the prequels.

[QUOTE=Hoob;52981670]I went dark on anything relating to TLJ for its entire pre-release as much as I could. I stayed away from trailers, interviews, anything. I had no idea what to expect.[/QUOTE] After seeing "han solo is killed by his son kylo ren" posted everywhere two years ago I went on spoiler lockdown for TLJ and it was so worth it having no idea what could happen. Things like [sp]failing to shut down the tracking device[/sp] were [I]so thrilling[/I] because I had absolutely no idea what could happen. I must have thought "oh shit, is [main character] going to die?" a half-dozen times throughout. Sure it was a bit of a mixed bag, but the lows weren't too bad and the highs were so great that I have to say I really really enjoyed the movie. [editline]15th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Dalto11;52981678]I definitely feel like Rotten Tomatoes is getting metabombed by some overzealous fans in both directions.[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/Mannybothanz/status/941843555961602049[/media]

My favorite part was [sp]the mom joke[/sp].

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52980160]I know SW is loved by millions but as somebody that can give or take it, seeing it plastered everywhere on everything imaginable is really frustrating. It's great that there's a big scifi film everyone can love and enjoy with the rest of your family but the sheer saturation of this series is... kind of boring? Every move it plays is a safe one. Alas it's unavoidable and you're labelled as a Salty McGee if you don't like it. What's the general appeal for those of you who really love the series?[/QUOTE] Lasers and shit will always swoon me. [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=papkee;52981554][sp]the fucking hyperdrive-a-ship-through-a-fleet is probably the coolest scene I have ever seen in any sci-fi movie and I really want to find a clip of it so I can watch it over and over again like holy shit[/sp][/QUOTE] A-fucking-men

Just saw it. Pretty great, some minor flaws sure, but not bad enough to justify that user score. My guess is that people had expectations for this movie that didn't go the way they thought, and they were disappointed. I hadn't watched any trailers, any interviews, not even the posters, and I think that helped me here.

[QUOTE=papkee;52981554][sp]the fucking hyperdrive-a-ship-through-a-fleet is probably the coolest scene I have ever seen in any sci-fi movie and I really want to find a clip of it so I can watch it over and over again like holy shit[/sp][/QUOTE] That was the most anime shit I've ever seen in my life and I loved it.

One extremely minor detail that puzzled me (absolutely no impact on the plot but spoilering it just to be safe): [sp]what happened to Luke's hand? In ESB we see he gets a full prosthetic, not just the 'creepy skeletor hand' that Anakin has. And in the beginning of ROTJ he still has the flesh-looking hand (he wears a glove in the finale but I assume nothing happens there). In TFA I assumed that, like his shaggy hair and beard, the exposed robotics of the hand just showed how unkempt he had become over the years. But even in the flashbacks to him as a well-groomed Jedi teacher we see he has a creepy skeletor hand. What gives?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;52981737]One extremely minor detail that puzzled me (absolutely no impact on the plot but spoilering it just to be safe): [sp]what happened to Luke's hand? In ESB we see he gets a full prosthetic, not just the 'creepy skeletor hand' that Anakin has. And in the beginning of ROTJ he still has the flesh-looking hand (he wears a glove in the finale but I assume nothing happens there). In TFA I assumed that, like his shaggy hair and beard, the exposed robotics of the hand just showed how unkempt he had become over the years. But even in the flashbacks to him as a well-groomed Jedi teacher we see he has a creepy skeletor hand. What gives?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Pure speculation, but maybe as he gets more wizened he doesn't care about things like vanity and is able to appreciate the robot hand for what it actually is, rather than what it pretends to be.[/sp]

Just kind of disappointed with the story It was fun but Regarding Luke I was just mad lol

I still think that was a [sp]really kickass way for Luke to go. Literally projecting an image of yourself across the galaxy? And not just any image, but the last image Kylo remembers seeing of you? That reveal was incredible. And they foreshadowed that anyone who tried something like that would die, when Kylo and Rey were having a Force bond moment and Kylo said if she were the one doing it she'd die. Plus, that shot of the binary sunset Luke looked out over was hauntingly beautiful.[/sp]

regarding rey's parents [sp]kylo was 100% lying to her. he was manipulating her to join the dark side, guys. the classic technique is tear them down, build them back up. he executed that to a t. 'you're trash, you're not important, nobody cares about you. except me, i care. join me.' i get the idea of the force just being strong in random people of no specific lineage, proving anyone can be a jedi, but that whole idea is being fulfilled with all those kids at the end of the film gazing at the stars. rey's parents will have something to do with all this and they weren't nobodies. they're just drawing it out so it can be another twist in the 3rd film. you don't really think they would shoot their wad already do you?[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [sp]do you really think they did that whole rey duplication mirror scene and then didn't reveal her parents for no reason? the information was purposefully being withheld from her. because it's important.[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [sp]to believe otherwise, you'd have to just take the word of a sith lord. we still haven't seen them, rey hasn't remembered them. you'd have to trust the villain is being truthful. cmon.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;52981737]One extremely minor detail that puzzled me (absolutely no impact on the plot but spoilering it just to be safe): [sp]what happened to Luke's hand? In ESB we see he gets a full prosthetic, not just the 'creepy skeletor hand' that Anakin has. And in the beginning of ROTJ he still has the flesh-looking hand (he wears a glove in the finale but I assume nothing happens there). In TFA I assumed that, like his shaggy hair and beard, the exposed robotics of the hand just showed how unkempt he had become over the years. But even in the flashbacks to him as a well-groomed Jedi teacher we see he has a creepy skeletor hand. What gives?[/sp][/QUOTE] Minor costume spoilers [sp] Luke is a lot older than he was when the prosthetic was first installed. If he didn't replace it he would end up with one very youthful looking hand. Imo it looks more like he's simply removed the prosthetic flesh from the original bionic appendage and just kept it uncovered.[/sp]

Speaking with some friends who hated it, I can see why even if I don't agree. It undeniably had some very good parts and some that were awful, but the divide seems more in how it went against a lot of expectations and if you like that or not. Things like [sp]Luke's motivations, Rey's parents, who Snoke is,[/sp] were all things that people expected a lot of, and it didn't deliver in the way that was expected. I liked the subversion and not following the beaten path, but I can understand if people would prefer it went safe or just didn't like the direction it did go in.

I loved the film but I can definitely agree with people who wanted more backstory on [sp] Snoke and the first order. Especially Snoke. We barely knew anything about the guy, what his relationship was (if he had any at all) with the Sith or the old empire, and ultimately why we should care about stopping him personally besides him being the leader of the baddies- and then he was just dead lol.[/sp]

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52981825]I loved the film but I can definitely agree with people who wanted more backstory on [sp] Snoke and the first order. Especially Snoke. We barely knew anything about the guy, what his relationship was (if he had any at all) with the Sith or the old empire was, and ultimately why we should care about stopping him personally besides him being the leader of the baddies- and then he was just dead lol.[/sp][/QUOTE] Regarding that backstory: [sp] I feel like maaaybe we'll get more insight into him as a character in the next movie? Maybe I'm being optimistic but it seems REALLY HARD to believe that they're gonna spend all that time setting him up as this huge villain only to kill him outright, unless he was always supposed to be the crux for Kylo's rise to true villainy.[/sp] Who knOWSS.

[sp]Snoke's been Maul'd with no explanation of who he was, wouldn't surprise me if it was a deliberate point to have her be a nobody. What better way to bring itself out from the original trilogy's shadow than to have a reverse "I am your father" moment[/sp]

Here's my question regarding Holdo's actions. [sp]Her plan all along, was to evacuate the ship, let the First Order destroy it, and escape to a nearby planet, right? So in every conceivable situation, the ship was going to be destroyed. This was a factor of her plan. The big hole in which, is that it left the escape ships hugely vulnerable and open to attack. There wasn't any solution to this in Holdo's original escape plan. So then, if they'd already written of their main ship in order to escape and (best case scenario) draw fire away from the escape ships, why did nobody consider using it to kamakaze until escape ships had already started blowing up? I realise ships are expensive and it's not anybody's first choice. But they'd already written off the ship. They were fleeing. You can tell this wasn't part of the original plan, because Holdo let the escape shuttles get nearly wiped out before doing anything, out of very visible frustration. Why didn't they just plan to do this in the first place? It would have saved all or more of the escape shuttles. Instead they waited around, doing nothing, until she finally thought of it? Was their original plan just that terrible and they just hadn't thought of it before? Because of a gross incompetence?[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] Also, right before it happened, [sp]Finn and Rose were on the floor, surrounded by troopers and phasma in close proximity. Then once the ship got hit, suddenly everyone around them was dead, and Phasma and her troopers came barging in from somewhere else, like they were on the other side of the room, and unaffected by the blast. What was going on there? Is there a scene missing?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52981742][sp]Pure speculation, but maybe as he gets more wizened he doesn't care about things like vanity and is able to appreciate the robot hand for what it actually is, rather than what it pretends to be.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I don't remember the flashbacks in detail, but I'm wondering if the fake flesh burned off in the fire after the academy was destroyed.[/sp]

Just saw it. I honestly don't know what rating to give it, I have such mixed emotions over so many different parts. [sp]Ackbar's death was probably the one I felt most upset about. It felt too quick and out of the blue. Luke dying was disappointing, but I'm certain he will return as a ghost in the next film. Snoke's death was great, but probably would have been better at the end, or next film.[/sp] [sp]Not sure why everyone is getting upset at Leia for once using the Force when she is as much the child of Anakin Skywalker as Luke is. It was a bit gratifying to see her actually -do- something with the Force other than just sense something, like sensing Luke in the OT or Han's death in the previous film.[/sp] [sp]And I agree with the past few posters that Kylo was completely lying to Rey about who her parents were. I'm still holding out that she's the daughter of Luke, even if it's extremely unlikely now. But I will be severely disappointed if she turns out to truly be a 'nobody' by the 9th film[/sp] [sp]One thing I had an issue with, which is probably petty but whatever, was the Poe's swearing. He only did it 2 or 3 times, but in a Star Wars film it really stood out. Especially at the end when he called the base doors a "big ass door". It felt out of place and unnecessary.[/sp] [sp]I thought it funny that TLJ had as much an underwhelming ground battle as TFA had an underwhelming space battle.[/sp] [sp]Also I do not think Rey stealing the books undermines Yoda's dialogue with Luke or him destroying the tree. I don't see how Yoda could NOT have known Rey took the books, which would have made destroying the tree to snap Luke out of his shitty attitude easier to do.[/sp] [sp]And ever since I saw ANH for the first time I have wondered where blue milk came from no not really, that was kinda grotesque what the fuck[/sp]

I can definitely agree with the RT score after seeing it. I wouldn't say I hated the movie, but it's easily the worst Star Wars film I've ever seen. Yes, even worse than the prequels. Like people have said, the [sp]lightspeed cruiser railgun was an absolutely breathtaking moment, and I also liked how Kylo Ren's arc ended up with him taking over the First Order completely. but just about everything else I can think of was bad.[/sp] [sp]Gratuitous shot of Luke milking an alien's tits The whole plot happening because Haldon or whatever her name was refused to tell Poe the super secret plan, resulting in the entire plan being fucked over Leia randomly manifesting the force in order to save herself from what would have been a really moving and tragic character death The constant fucking jokes undercutting every dramatic moment like it's a bad Marvel movie Ignoring the fact that Kylo Ren killing Han in TFA was treated like an establishing "Yes he is definitely a bad guy now" moment by making half the movie him skyping with Rey about how he's still conflicted and totally open to going back to the light side even though it's blatantly obvious he's not Snoke ending up being completely irrelevant and casually killed off without a second thought Luke astral projecting halfway across the galaxy to distract Ren and subvert the Obi-Wan dies moment, then dying anyway because reasons The movie being stretched thin across three separate plotlines that all felt paper thin and underdeveloped Yoda shows up randomly as a Force Ghost, having now gained the power to control weather and use his ghost walking stick to hit things IT NOT FUCKING ENDING. Jesus, I have never felt ending fatigue like this before. Ok, they resolved the Kylo Ren plotline and the rebels being chased down plotline, now the movie can end, right? No, it's still going? Ok, ground battle on the salt planet, sure, fine. Ok, Finn's gonna heroically sacrifice himself to save the rest of the rebels and give time for reinforcements to come? Nice, good ending. Oh, he got saved by that new character who is apparently in love with him now, and the rebels are about to get fucked by the First Order, sure, whatever, get to the fucking so I can go home. No, wait, Luke's here, he's gonna buy time for the rebels to escape, ok, get on with it. Ok, the rebels escaped, good, now it can end. No, we need to show everyone hugging and kissing after surviving the movie, really? Ok, that's over, good, the movie can end. What?! Stop! I don't give a fuck about that random slave kid from the racetrack on the casino planet, just end the fucking movie already so I can piss and go home! Oh god finally.[/sp] [editline]e[/editline] There is one more good thing I'd forgotten. I love that the big reveal of [sp]Rey's parents ends up being nothing. They were just people. Ordinary people. She's only relevant to the plot by chance. That's a brilliant resolution to that whole plotline, both from the perspective of subverting fan expectations of her being connected with the grand plot by something greater and from the in-story perspective of Rey looking for answers and getting something that's disappointing to her and not what she was looking for.[/sp]

damn I just saw the movie and I gotta admit one of the worst things was [sp]Leia just fucking surviving that blast?? like what the fuck?? really?? she really just gonna force float her way back even though she's never exhibited that much power??? I just couldnt get behind that. And she didn't even do anything for the rest of the movie.... [/sp]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52981832]Here's my question regarding Holdo's actions. [sp]Her plan all along, was to evacuate the ship, let the First Order destroy it, and escape to a nearby planet, right? So in every conceivable situation, the ship was going to be destroyed. This was a factor of her plan. The big hole in which, is that it left the escape ships hugely vulnerable and open to attack. There wasn't any solution to this in Holdo's original escape plan. So then, if they'd already written of their main ship in order to escape and (best case scenario) draw fire away from the escape ships, why did nobody consider using it to kamakaze until escape ships had already started blowing up? I realise ships are expensive and it's not anybody's first choice. But they'd already written off the ship. They were fleeing. You can tell this wasn't part of the original plan, because Holdo let the escape shuttles get nearly wiped out before doing anything, out of very visible frustration. Why didn't they just plan to do this in the first place? It would have saved all or more of the escape shuttles. Instead they waited around, doing nothing, until she finally thought of it? Was their original plan just that terrible and they just hadn't thought of it before? Because of a gross incompetence?[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] Also, right before it happened, [sp]Finn and Rose were on the floor, surrounded by troopers and phasma in close proximity. Then once the ship got hit, suddenly everyone around them was dead, and Phasma and her troopers came barging in from somewhere else, like they were on the other side of the room, and unaffected by the blast. What was going on there? Is there a scene missing?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I think the idea was for the transport ships to not even be noticed and the Cruiser draw the First Order away from not-Hoth, because it was clearly able to attack the fortress even after it had been cleaved in half. That went to shit because they were uncloaked, and I thought it had something to do with Del Toro's Hackerman but it wasn't well explained and the plot rushed along enough to hope no-one paid attention.[/sp]

The word I'd use for a lot of this movie's visuals is "macabre." [sp]Snoke getting sliced in half unevenly so that his hand is still on the throne, and just remaining in the background the whole time unnerved me in a good way. And then they used his legs falling off the throne as a tension-breaking joke. Like I said, macabre.[/sp]

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52981846]I can definitely agree with the RT score after seeing it. I wouldn't say I hated the movie, but it's easily the worst Star Wars film I've ever seen. Yes, even worse than the prequels.[/QUOTE] You need to go back and actually *watch* the prequels. The Phantom Menace is very very bad in the most bland way possible. This movie actually tried to do exciting and interesting things. The phantom menace never did.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;52981846] [sp]The whole plot happening because Haldon or whatever her name was refused to tell Poe the super secret plan, resulting in the entire plan being fucked over[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That’s the whole point. Poe was demoted because he always had to play the hero instead of just listening orders. He had eroded all trust placed in him because he didn’t follow orders at the start of the movie, she owed him 0 explanation because he was just supposed to follow orders. But he couldn’t, tried to be the hero, and in the end got a lot more people killed for it. Like, the whole point of that was for Poe to develop as a character, him realizing that being the snarky hotshot all the time isn’t the best.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rammaster;52981852]damn I just saw the movie and I gotta admit one of the worst things was [sp]Leia just fucking surviving that blast?? like what the fuck?? really?? she really just gonna force float her way back even though she's never exhibited that much power??? I just couldnt get behind that. And she didn't even do anything for the rest of the movie.... [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Obviously it wasn't THAT much power given that she went straight into a coma afterward from all the exertion[/sp]

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