Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[sp]super conflicted about this. I am for the most part a TFA apologist but i actually wish this movie was a little more 'star wars-y'. The first half was kind of messy and slow and i felt like the movie just suddenly jumped to being inside the third act and then it finished. I liked a lot about the second half and most anything on Ach-tcho (sp?) but anything revolving the dwindling republic fleet and their fuel problem was bad. It just occupied too much movie time and felt like gobblygook. Im not at all convinced that holdo's plan was ever gonna work. Although the suicide jump was visually an awesome scene. I just wish it happened differently. I dunno. I think more watchings might help. It's cool where they are going with this and i liked leia a lot. It was cool how we got a different view of the force in this movie with different types of powers besides the usual ones. Very inventive. [/sp]

[QUOTE=bdd458;52981863][sp]That’s the whole point. Poe was demoted because he always had to play the hero instead of just listening orders. He had eroded all trust placed in him because he didn’t follow orders at the start of the movie, she owed him 0 explanation because he was just supposed to follow orders. But he couldn’t, tried to be the hero, and in the end got a lot more people killed for it. Like, the whole point of that was for Poe to develop as a character, him realizing that being the snarky hotshot all the time isn’t the best.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That just makes command look dumb. They KNOW Poe is a loose cannon. They KNOW if they don't let him in, he'll go off and do something stupid. So instead of doing something reasonable, like either A. letting him in on the plan or B. locking him up so he can't fuck things up, they just let him fuck things up.[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [sp]I mean, I know if I was a military leader, and one of my soldiers repeatedly refused to follow orders and ran off to do things on his own, I wouldn't expect him to suddenly behave after being demoted and told to sit and do nothing.[/sp] [editline]e[/editline] To clarify, I don't have a problem with Poe's character arc. My problem is that it only happens because his commanding officers don't treat his insubordination seriously.

I saw it [sp]Disny, reboot pls[/sp] It's a reactional movie that goes off the balance and feels unrelated to star wars also [sp]Plot just fucking stops, nothing changed in terms of scale or character development by the end of it. Like, literally nothing. P.S. where is my Shooting stars meme with Leia the Space Wizard. I swear i could hear the tune the second she started draging her carcas across the screen. [/sp]

Just came back from the movie and... I loved it! My thoughts... [sp]The silly moments peppered throughout the movie that people are complaining are a bit silly but I still enjoyed them anyhow. What I also noticed in the movie was that it had more heavy language than previous films. I never heard 'bastard' and 'ass' in a Star Wars movie before. Man, were they right when they said this movie would be different. The casino scene I also liked. It was just plain fun. Luke's involvement in the final scenes were just amazing. Projecting himself through the force was something I didn't expect, and neither did the audience. Also, I can't be the only one who thought Kylo and Rey to have sort of...romantic relation. That one scene when they were both in the elevator on their way to Snoke they got real close to each other.[/sp] [sp]I'd give this film a 9.5 out of 10. I wished they explained Snoke a bit more. What the hell is he and what's his story? Also, Ackbar fucking died. If he had to go, it should have been in some huge battle. While I liked that they mentioned Dark Sidious, I'd would love it if they referenced the prequels alot more.[/sp] Looking forward to Episode IX!

[QUOTE=Devodiere;52981857][sp]I think the idea was for the transport ships to not even be noticed and the Cruiser draw the First Order away from not-Hoth, because it was clearly able to attack the fortress even after it had been cleaved in half. That went to shit because they were uncloaked, and I thought it had something to do with Del Toro's Hackerman but it wasn't well explained and the plot rushed along enough to hope no-one paid attention.[/sp][/QUOTE] So, ignoring that her plan was hugely flawed and hinged on [sp]TFO not having the capacity to notice them fly off to a planet, which they ended up having, for whatever reason. Then Finn, Rose and Poe's plan, not only failed, but made the whole situation exponentially worse to the point of killing half the resistance. And yet, the attitude toward all 3 of them will be the same as Holdo's 'he's a troublemaker, I like him!'. He got half of us killed but he's got a lotta moxy! And Finn is still a reformed stormtrooper who hasn't really done anything of value. So far he's been owned by Kylo, and caused massive casualties by recruiting the wrong dude. But everyone in the resistance will still be cool with him because whatever. The resistance are idiots. So is TFO mind you. But god damn.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52981883]So, ignoring that her plan was hugely flawed and hinged on [sp]TFO not having the capacity to notice them fly off to a planet, which they ended up having, for whatever reason. Then Finn, Rose and Poe's plan, not only failed, but made the whole situation exponentially worse to the point of killing half the resistance. And yet, the attitude toward all 3 of them will be the same as Holdo's 'he's a troublemaker, I like him!'. He got half of us killed but he's got a lotta moxy! And Finn is still a reformed stormtrooper who hasn't really done anything of value. So far he's been owned by Kylo, and caused massive casualties by recruiting the wrong dude. But everyone in the resistance will still be cool with him because whatever. The resistance are idiots. So is TFO mind you. But god damn.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Yep, they fucked up royally and doomed everyone, and if Holdo didn't kamikaze the last thing they saw before being executed was how they were responsible for the rebels being destroyed. Can't fault the rebels for still keeping them around though. They don't know the full scope of how badly they fucked up, and when your entire organisation fits on a mid-size ship it's not like you can be picky.[/sp]

I saw the film today and I have one huge gripe that's just bothered me ever since leaving the theater, hell it bothered me during the film but [sp]I felt like this movie did a whole lot of nothing for the Star Wars franchise and lore in general. It introduces all of these new (and super cool) places and characters and weapons and ships but spends no time explaining any of it at all, instead everything is brushed over for the sake of forcing the film forward. Snoke's unique looking royal guard, the casino planet, Snoke himself, the new AT-?? walkers, the Jedi tomes, Lukes island, the "dark underbelly" of said island, etc, etc, etc. AND NONE OF IT IS EXPLAINED OR PUT INTO ANY MEANINGFUL TERMS WHATSOEVER.[/sp]

Also, where the fuck are [sp]the Knights of Ren?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52981806]regarding rey's parents [sp]kylo was 100% lying to her. he was manipulating her to join the dark side, guys. the classic technique is tear them down, build them back up. he executed that to a t. 'you're trash, you're not important, nobody cares about you. except me, i care. join me.' i get the idea of the force just being strong in random people of no specific lineage, proving anyone can be a jedi, but that whole idea is being fulfilled with all those kids at the end of the film gazing at the stars. rey's parents will have something to do with all this and they weren't nobodies. they're just drawing it out so it can be another twist in the 3rd film. you don't really think they would shoot their wad already do you?[/sp][/QUOTE] Rusty you're missing the point of [sp]Rey/Luke/Kylo Ren's arc. It was to show that his whole mythology of bloodline was never a truth to begin with. The force is innate in all of them, but it flits about from person to person. We can see this when Rose's sister uses the force to grab the detonator, or when that kid at the end grabs the broom with the force.[/sp]

I addressed that, and I think the other two examples you gave were supposed to indicate this, not Rey herself. Or at least, you're supposed to think so until the next movie.

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;52981892]Also, where the fuck are [sp]the Knights of Ren?[/sp][/QUOTE] I'm kinda hoping they were part of [sp]Kylo's edgy Vader phase to make him seem more powerful, but after smashing his mask and going full Sith on his own he doesn't need them. See what kind of Supreme Leader he makes in Ep IX though and if he keeps them as his bodyguards.[/sp]

[Sp]Leia can force pull herself into a ship from space and can push open a blast door but when it came to those rocks on Crait we really needed Rey to conveniently be there to do it like really.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52981893]Rusty you're missing the point of [sp]Rey/Luke/Kylo Ren's arc. It was to show that his whole mythology of bloodline was never a truth to begin with. The force is innate in all of them, but it flits about from person to person. We can see this when Rose's sister uses the force to grab the detonator, or when that kid at the end grabs the broom with the force.[/sp][/QUOTE] ...uhhhhh [sp]Rose's sister doesn't use the force to grab the detonator? Seen the movie twice now and I'm 100% certain of this[/sp]

Why the fuck didn't [sp]most of the rebels abandon the main cruiser, cloak, then immediately have the main cruiser jump to light speed right at the massive star destroyer within 10 minutes after the mega star destroyer showing up[/sp]. Also is it just me or [sp]did the whole codebreaker sub-plot seem like filler? Like they could've just cut that part out and found another way to attempt to destroy the active tracking module. I say pointless because, yes I know they picked the wrong codebreaker guy, but they still could've tried another way to destroy it and still have gotten captured[/sp].

[QUOTE=Devodiere;52981900]I'm kinda hoping they were part of [sp]Kylo's edgy Vader phase to make him seem more powerful, but after smashing his mask and going full Sith on his own he doesn't need them. See what kind of Supreme Leader he makes in Ep IX though and if he keeps them as his bodyguards.[/sp][/QUOTE] Why are you hoping that? [sp]They seemed like a really cool concept they just never used[/sp]

I get why everybody is unhappy with the particularly controversial sections. I'm not sure I'm such a fan of the part where Leia is revealed to have been a disguised battle drone wearing her skin since the end of episode 6, and setting the film in the Soviet Union added too many continuity issues to be believable, and I think even for a sci-fi film the jar jar binks mpreg scene took things too far.

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;52981906]Why are you hoping that? [sp]They seemed like a really cool concept they just never used[/sp][/QUOTE] Yeah another reason why it seems the 3 films weren't written as one cohesive story

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;52981902]...uhhhhh [sp]Rose's sister doesn't use the force to grab the detonator? Seen the movie twice now and I'm 100% certain of this[/sp][/QUOTE] She uses the force for like... luck, they make a point of her praying on her necklace. You're right, she doesn't directly pull it to her.

Y'know, I'm completely fine with [sp]the concept of Leia using the force to pull herself back on to the ship, but why the fuck did they have to shoot it so goddamn weirdly?[/sp] [sp]The only reason I can think of why they decided to shoot it that way was to tease us into thinking she was dead, but considering the payoff, what exactly was the point? I'd rather see her look cool while using her powers to survive than see her float like a corpse with no discernible effort[/sp]

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;52981903]Why the fuck didn't [sp]most of the rebels abandon the main cruiser, cloak, then immediately have the main cruiser jump to light speed right at the massive star destroyer within 10 minutes after the mega star destroyer showing up[/sp]. Also is it just me or [sp]did the whole codebreaker sub-plot seem like filler? Like they could've just cut that part out and found another way to attempt to destroy the active tracking module. I say pointless because, yes I know they picked the wrong codebreaker guy, but they still could've tried another way to destroy it and still have gotten captured[/sp].[/QUOTE] [sp] For the same reason there wasn't a b-wing in their escape fleet to chunk a turbolaser bolt straight through the completely exposed dreadnought bridge, and thus save a great deal more people.[/sp] Contrivance.

[QUOTE=Fort83;52981875]How did [sp]Rose catch up to Finn's speeder in time to save him? She had already turned hers around and was going in the opposite direction up until Finn was within moments of sacrificing himself. The movie had multiple weird distance issues like that. [/sp][/QUOTE] Or how [sp]Finn was able to drag Rose unconscious ALL the way back from where they crashed while somehow sneaking by the entire blockade of walkers, on foot, in half the time it took them to get there in speeders.[/sp] Also I don't really get a lot of the criticism of the humour. Sure there was a lot more of it, likely due to the humour in TFA being received well. But I didn't really feel like the jokes were any more out of place than the ones in TFA, except maybe [sp]the ironing machine[/sp]. While I did laugh, it was more like something that should have been in Spaceballs.

What I just saw was a kids movie

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52981806]regarding rey's parents [sp]kylo was 100% lying to her. he was manipulating her to join the dark side, guys. the classic technique is tear them down, build them back up. he executed that to a t. 'you're trash, you're not important, nobody cares about you. except me, i care. join me.' i get the idea of the force just being strong in random people of no specific lineage, proving anyone can be a jedi, but that whole idea is being fulfilled with all those kids at the end of the film gazing at the stars. rey's parents will have something to do with all this and they weren't nobodies. they're just drawing it out so it can be another twist in the 3rd film. you don't really think they would shoot their wad already do you?[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [sp]do you really think they did that whole rey duplication mirror scene and then didn't reveal her parents for no reason? the information was purposefully being withheld from her. because it's important.[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [sp]to believe otherwise, you'd have to just take the word of a sith lord. we still haven't seen them, rey hasn't remembered them. you'd have to trust the villain is being truthful. cmon.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] Darth Vader was telling the truth in ESB, and they had Yoda confirm it in RotJ because of how many people refused to trust his word[/sp]

[QUOTE=Kommodore;52981938]What I just saw was a kids movie[/QUOTE] Well I mean Star Wars has always been Sci-Fi aimed primarily at teenagers and I don't mean that as an insult so I'm not really sure what kind of point you are trying to make. Ever since the prequels, they basically had the vibe of comic books turned silver screen and that's why they resonated with such a huge demographic. Meant to appeal to a group of a certain age (teens) yes, but not exclusively. That way there's something for everyone and no ham-fisted message to a marketed demographic to ram across soiling the feeling.

I think you’re right but i also think that, tonally, this movie hit a little lower on the bell curve as far as age goes and that’s where my threshold is. it just felt idiotic to me.

[QUOTE=papkee;52981554][sp]the fucking hyperdrive-a-ship-through-a-fleet is probably the coolest scene I have ever seen in any sci-fi movie and I really want to find a clip of it so I can watch it over and over again like holy shit[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]What I liked the most about it was the silence. As good as John Williams is with his music the film doesn't shut the fuck up for one second and suddenly having several seconds of pure silence as you witness utter destruction was legitimately beautiful.[/sp]

Outside of some of the humor, and the [sp]LEIA IS DEAD BUT TOTALLY ISN'T BECAUSE HIDDEN FORCE POWERS[/sp] scene, I thought it was a great movie. Probably not the best movie in the series, but as long as we don't get into prequel-tier territory anytime soon, I'll be pleased. This was definitely far from that. I can definitely get not liking it though, especially if [sp]you wanted to know more about the New Order or Snoke[/sp] Give it a couple of months though, and everybody will start hating on TLJ, saying "EVEN TFA WAS BETTER THAN THIS SHIT" and demanding Lucas come back even more. If Lucas ever does come back because of these silly outcries, then I can at least hope he's on as a producer or something instead of a director and editor. Also [sp]how the fuck are they going to kill off Leia in Episode IX?[/sp]

[sp]I do kind of like the angle of greatness being possible from anyone, but it still feels bad that Rey could just instantly be so strong. Even Luke was nothing before being trained. I think I'm still holding out hope that Rey is a Kenobi or something after all. [/sp]

What is with a lot of these user reviews talking about "taking empowering women too far" lol What even was women empowerment here [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Kommodore;52981938]What I just saw was a kids movie[/QUOTE] ...This was the most violent Star Wars movie to date the last and only time we had a PG-13 Star Wars was Revenge of the Sith, and this definitely had more reason to be

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52982022]What is with a lot of these user reviews talking about "taking empowering women too far" lol What even was women empowerment here [/QUOTE] There was 1 scene where I noticed that that a girl at a station spoke to another girl at a station who spoke to purple haired lady. Kinda made it seem like the whole bridge crew was female. I didn't think it was wrong but it was different enough from the norm that it stood out to me. I guess we're in the age of people scouring movies for political motives or things to be offended by instead of just watching a movie and having a good time. [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52982022] the last and only time we had a PG-13 Star Wars was Revenge of the Sith, and this definitely had more reason to be[/QUOTE] TFA, Rogue One, and TLJ were all PG-13.