Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Cyan_Husky;52982001][sp]I do kind of like the angle of greatness being possible from anyone, but it still feels bad that Rey could just instantly be so strong. Even Luke was nothing before being trained. I think I'm still holding out hope that Rey is a Kenobi or something after all. [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Rey Kenobi sounds dope, but not as dope as Rey Jinn [/sp]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52981883]So, ignoring that her plan was hugely flawed and hinged on [sp][B]TFO not having the capacity to notice them fly off to a planet, which they ended up having, for whatever reason.[/B][/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]pretty sure the codebreaker guy told the first order about the whole plan, including the rebel escape ships[/sp]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52982022]What is with a lot of these user reviews talking about "taking empowering women too far" lol What even was women empowerment here[/QUOTE] That's just the same old "Anything that doesn't exclusively star white males is overly PC SJW bullshit" attitude. No joke I've literally seen people say the whole Star Wars continuation was garbage from the start just because they made the main characters a woman and a black man, no mention of the writing or anything else that happened in the movies, just they're not white men so it must be bad.

[QUOTE=Oizen;52980503]I want Star wars to go away. Seeing it absolutely everywhere. And its going to be like that for a long time. Its getting tiring.[/QUOTE] Still better than the Minion merch cancer that happened

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52982022]What is with a lot of these user reviews talking about "taking empowering women too far" lol What even was women empowerment here [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] ...This was the most violent Star Wars movie to date the last and only time we had a PG-13 Star Wars was Revenge of the Sith, and this definitely had more reason to be[/QUOTE] i've never found any star wars movie more or less violent than the next, all i know is i did not feel at home among the hamster-penguins, the cat-dog-horses, the "crystal critters" the [sp]horrifyingly awkward leia space scene[/sp], the relentless, cringey, tension breaking one-liners and most of all, christ alive, that [sp]fucking yoda scene[/sp]. i'm also not sure how anyone can sit through that many plot arcs that have virtually no payoff or contribution to the progression of the plot and be sure they saw a good movie. if this movie was good i just don't get it at all.

A theater had the first 20 minutes of the movies sound muted The result [video]https://youtu.be/SaJMiKQx27U[/video]

[QUOTE=Rahu X;52981999]Outside of some of the humor, and the [sp]LEIA IS DEAD BUT TOTALLY ISN'T BECAUSE HIDDEN FORCE POWERS[/sp] scene, I thought it was a great movie. Probably not the best movie in the series, but as long as we don't get into prequel-tier territory anytime soon, I'll be pleased. This was definitely far from that.[/quote] Uh [sp]Leia always had a modicum of force powers, even in the OT. She sensed her husband's death from planets away in TFA so she's not exactly super weak either.[/sp] [QUOTE=Rahu X;52981999]Also [sp]how the fuck are they going to kill off Leia in Episode IX?[/sp][/QUOTE] They could go the [sp]Star Trek Beyond[/sp] route and [sp]simply have the characters briefly mention her death off-screen followed by a short emotional scene to pay tribute to her, and then move on.[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Kommodore;52982089]i've never found any star wars movie more or less violent than the next, all i know is i did not feel at home among the hamster-penguins, the cat-dog-horses, the "crystal critters" the [sp]horrifyingly awkward leia space scene[/sp], the relentless, cringey, tension breaking one-liners and most of all, christ alive, that [sp]fucking yoda scene[/sp]. i'm also not sure how anyone can sit through that many plot arcs that have virtually no payoff or contribution to the progression of the plot and be sure they saw a good movie. if this movie was good i just don't get it at all.[/QUOTE] What the fuck was wrong with the [sp]yoda scene[/sp] now

This film is making nerds mad. I utterly approve.

[QUOTE=zerglingv2;52981529][sp]I will never be able to unsee Luke milking alien tits, fuck you Rian Johnson and fuck you disney for letting that happen[/sp][/QUOTE] That was so strange. I mean there had to be better ways to show Luke's life on the island. And really [sp] milk dripping of the beard [/sp]? :v:

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52982098]Uh [sp]Leia always had a modicum of force powers, even in the OT. She sensed her husband's death from planets away in TFA so she's not exactly super weak either.[/sp][/quote] Plus, [sp]she didn't really need to be super strong with the force to pull herself to the ship given that, you know, she's floating in space. It made sense, it's just a shame it looked so dumb.[/sp] [quote]What the fuck was wrong with the [sp]yoda scene[/sp] now[/QUOTE] [sp]When the camera panned past the back of his head I thought "Oh fuck off", but it genuinely brought a tear to my eye when I realised they were using a puppet and not CGI. I don't know if it's the original puppet or a reproduction, but if it's the latter then it's a damn good one.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rahu X;52981999]Also [sp]how the fuck are they going to kill off Leia in Episode IX?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I imagine there will either be a time-skip and a memorial scene of some kind (not sure how good that'd be), or they could do something like they did with Lt. Col. Cole in BiA HH. That or they CG her (big no).[/sp]

[QUOTE=BF;52981388]Easily one of the best scenes in the entire series. Same happened at the theatre I went to. But my favourite scene was [sp]when Luke and Kylo Ren faced off towards the end of the movie, with the menacing AT-ATs surrounding them. Looked like the final battle of a fighting game, haha.[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] Also how fucking cool were Snope's personal guard?[/QUOTE] While that scene was definitely the coolest in the film (even more so in glorious 3D), the implications of it have been bothering me ever since: [sp]Couldn't the resistance have used one of their remaining smaller frigates to take out Snoke's ship before they ran out of fuel and got blown up? I mean, even if the New Order could keep tracking them from another ship at least they would have, you know, taken out the entire fucking New Order high command and everything. Plus seeing as New Order's (or the Empire for that matter) point defense systems are as bad as their storm troopers at actually hitting stuff, wouldn't this have been a viable anti-capital ship weapon for the rebellion even before that? Sacrificing a shitty lightspeed-capable frigate would surely be cheaper than wasting entire squadrons of fighters and bombers and support craft, not to mention it's a terror weapon that would force the New Order to completely change the way they deploy their big ships. Right?[/sp] I'm probably overthinking this. The red samurai were cool as hell though. [QUOTE=stupid07er;52982037]There was 1 scene where I noticed that that a girl at a station spoke to another girl at a station who spoke to purple haired lady. Kinda made it seem like the whole bridge crew was female. I didn't think it was wrong but it was different enough from the norm that it stood out to me. [/QUOTE] My wife just told me that the blonde girl with the buns on the bridge is actually [URL="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6609666/"]Carry Fisher's daughter[/URL].

Tbh, I never saw any real basis for the "Rey is a mary sue!!" meme outside of lots of moron ~Youtube sceptics~ getting butthurt over a female lead. One of the complaints I can actually sympathise with is that TFA was way too similar to A New Hope in terms of plot. and that leads me to my point: Why are these people still up in arms about Rey's character being op nerf pls when she basically shares the exact same character arc as Luke Skywalker in ANH? People are perfectly willing to accept that a fucking farmboy was able to go from playing in the sand to storming a secret imperial space station, out-shooting stormtroopers , and completing an attack run on the deathstar- where all the other rebel pilots failed... But seem to take massive issue with a starship scavenger, raised by criminal scum ~knowing shit about flying and repairing a ship~ [i] that belonged to the dude she has worked for her entire life[/i] and being alright at ~beating dudes up with a stick~?. I'm not even going to get into any complaints that involve the force because if you find yourself taking issue with a character being op for no reason besides the fact they happen to be [b]~strong with the force just go with it~[/b] then maybe you shouldn't be watching star wars lmao.

reading the artbook, apparently the [sp]ram gun is based on the Schwerer Gustav. That's pretty sick. A pic of that here:[/sp] [url]https://i.imgur.com/UlUAq9e.jpg[/url] (read before clicking, late movie non-plot spoiler)

[sp]That leia scene is the funniest unintentional thing I've seen in a film in ages. it's just so tonally deaf, and just straight up out of scenic space nowhere especially in a movie set up like this. It felt like part of a deleted draft from Spaceballs III.[/sp]

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52982153]Tbh, I never saw any real basis for the "Rey is a mary sue!!" meme outside of lots of moron ~Youtube sceptics~ getting butthurt over a female lead. One of the complaints I can actually sympathise with is that TFA was way too similar to A New Hope in terms of plot. and that leads me to my point: Why are these people still up in arms about Rey's character being op nerf pls when she basically shares the exact same character arc as Luke Skywalker in ANH? People are perfectly willing to accept that a fucking farmboy was able to go from playing in the sand to storming a secret imperial space station, out-shooting stormtroopers , and completing an attack run on the deathstar- where all the other rebel pilots failed... But seem to take massive issue with a starship scavenger, raised by criminal scum ~knowing shit about flying and repairing a ship~ [i] that belonged to the dude she has worked for her entire life[/i] and being alright at ~beating dudes up with a stick~?. I'm not even going to get into any complaints that involve the force because if you find yourself taking issue with a character being op for no reason besides the fact they happen to be [b]~strong with the force just go with it~[/b] then maybe you shouldn't be watching star wars lmao.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that the story actually puts a fairly good twist on her being able to do "so much" with the force in TFA. [sp]Manipulating objects with the force is basically baby shit, it's entry level parlor tricks that anyone with a bit of affinity to the force can manage. The real power lies not in disturbing the cosmic flow but embracing it and effectively becoming one with the universe, which is what people like Obi Wan and Yoda end up doing when they become ghosts. Luke makes a very strong point that there's absolutely no point in valuing the force as "moving things with your mind". The film further pushes that point by having literal children be able to move objects even if it is only slightly. It also makes Kylo Ren's entire position all the more pathetic because he's legitimately strong but cannot harness his potential and instead focuses on the most basic way of utilizing the kind of strength he has.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Flicky;52980644][sp]It looked clear to me that Leia is the one doing it; the camera focuses on her reaching her hand out as if to pull herself in.[/sp][/QUOTE] while that makes sense i refuse to accept it because of how silly it looked and sounds

We all talk about inconsistencies and shit but we all forget the [sp]attempted execution of Fin At Phasma's grasp, then biggest slowpoke of galaxy finally decides to ram ship with hyperdrive, moment later Fin and Asian chick wake up on floor of hangar with bodies everywhere and PHASMA JUST STROLLIN FROM OTHER SIDE OF SMOKESCREEN. was there some time anomaly due to hyperdrive kamikadzing that caused her to teleport away? [/sp] It just sticks out because there is like 15 seconds between these events.

[QUOTE=ScumBunny;52982143]While that scene was definitely the coolest in the film (even more so in glorious 3D), the implications of it have been bothering me ever since: [sp]Couldn't the resistance have used one of their remaining smaller frigates to take out Snoke's ship before they ran out of fuel and got blown up? I mean, even if the New Order could keep tracking them from another ship at least they would have, you know, taken out the entire fucking New Order high command and everything. Plus seeing as New Order's (or the Empire for that matter) point defense systems are as bad as their storm troopers at actually hitting stuff, wouldn't this have been a viable anti-capital ship weapon for the rebellion even before that? Sacrificing a shitty lightspeed-capable frigate would surely be cheaper than wasting entire squadrons of fighters and bombers and support craft, not to mention it's a terror weapon that would force the New Order to completely change the way they deploy their big ships. Right?[/sp] I'm probably overthinking this. The red samurai were cool as hell though.[/QUOTE] It only worked because [sp]the first order wasn't paying attention to the ship since Hux outright told them to ignore it. They didn't have the time to shoot at the ship but in any other situation they very easily would have been able to take it out before it had time to charge up the drive and ram them at lightspeed.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Perl;52982222]while that makes sense i refuse to accept it because of how silly it looked and sounds[/QUOTE] How much do you want to bet this will be a big segment in the next HiTB? [sp]IE: Just the huge amounts of asspulls that the execs pulled (Broomkid/Luke Hologram etc)[/sp]

[QUOTE=Stroheim;52982232]How much do you want to bet this will be a big segment in the next HiTB?[/QUOTE] I've never watched it so I wouldn't know [QUOTE=karimatrix;52982225]We all talk about inconsistencies and shit but we all forget the [sp]attempted execution of Fin At Phasma's grasp, then biggest slowpoke of galaxy finally decides to ram ship with hyperdrive, moment later Fin and Asian chick wake up on floor of hangar with bodies everywhere and PHASMA JUST STROLLIN FROM OTHER SIDE OF SMOKESCREEN. was there some time anomaly due to hyperdrive kamikadzing that caused her to teleport away? [/sp] It just sticks out because there is like 15 seconds between these events.[/QUOTE] I was more confused about [sp]bodies everywhere and only the two of them being alive[/sp]

For me the best scene in the 'The Last Jedi' was the close up of the [sp]clothes iron[/sp], that really made the movie for me.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52981832]Here's my question regarding Holdo's actions. [sp]Her plan all along, was to evacuate the ship, let the First Order destroy it, and escape to a nearby planet, right? So in every conceivable situation, the ship was going to be destroyed. This was a factor of her plan. The big hole in which, is that it left the escape ships hugely vulnerable and open to attack. There wasn't any solution to this in Holdo's original escape plan. So then, if they'd already written of their main ship in order to escape and (best case scenario) draw fire away from the escape ships, why did nobody consider using it to kamakaze until escape ships had already started blowing up? I realise ships are expensive and it's not anybody's first choice. But they'd already written off the ship. They were fleeing. You can tell this wasn't part of the original plan, because Holdo let the escape shuttles get nearly wiped out before doing anything, out of very visible frustration. Why didn't they just plan to do this in the first place? It would have saved all or more of the escape shuttles. Instead they waited around, doing nothing, until she finally thought of it? Was their original plan just that terrible and they just hadn't thought of it before? Because of a gross incompetence?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]This was a big point of contention with me, I appreciated the idea that brashly following emotions and just jumping into an X-Wing and blowing stuff up wouldn't work. But Poe's plan was basically miles better than Holdo's, it would've resulted in no major losses too. It only actually failed because of stupid plot contrivances. Worse thing is that if they wanted it to fail for non stupid reasons they could've written that really easily. [/sp]

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52982245]For me the best scene in the 'The Last Jedi' was the close up of the [sp]clothes iron[/sp], that really made the movie for me.[/QUOTE] [sp]I am not going to lie, I thought that was some kind of First Order space craft or high tech machine, boy was I surprised![/sp]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52982227]It only worked because [sp]the first order wasn't paying attention to the ship since Hux outright told them to ignore it. They didn't have the time to shoot at the ship but in any other situation they very easily would have been able to take it out before it had time to charge up the drive and ram them at lightspeed.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Again, considering their guns are so slow they have trouble hitting x-wings and such it's not like anyone can hit a ship going FTL, and since it was already established they can't damage frigates as long as they stay out of their main cannon's range, all the resistance needed to do was park a frigate or two outside a star destroyer's range and engage the hyperdrive. Even if they turn so slow they can be taken out while turning towards their target (which should be less of an issue for the smaller, faster craft as they can just circle around while outside range) you could in theory jump straight into the enemy fleet from the other side of the galaxy, or just make it a two step jump where you jump into range pointing at the target, make the final course correction and do the kill jump. Shit you could probably jury rig suicide frigates loaded up with bombs and with all shields protecting the front so you can take out whole fleets instead of just slicing through ships.[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Perl;52982237]I've never watched it so I wouldn't know I was more confused about [sp]bodies everywhere and only the two of them being alive[/sp][/QUOTE] Plot shield is stronger than the force.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52982245]For me the best scene in the 'The Last Jedi' was the close up of the [sp]clothes iron[/sp], that really made the movie for me.[/QUOTE] It was like something straight out of Spaceballs.

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52982073][sp]pretty sure the codebreaker guy told the first order about the whole plan, including the rebel escape ships[/sp][/QUOTE] i realise that. [sp]but it was a very poor plan not to factor in that possibility that if they could track them through hyper speed or whatever, they might be able to sense the escape ships. because that's what ended up happening, regardless of who was responsible. it was a bad plan that hinged on the hope that TFO didn't have information that they could conceivably have, when they had a better, ace in the hole available. and only used it last minute. reminder, their ship is destroyed in both plans. but one guarantees their safety and one is a big gamble. they're bad at their job[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rammaster;52981852]damn I just saw the movie and I gotta admit one of the worst things was [sp]Leia just fucking surviving that blast?? like what the fuck?? really?? she really just gonna force float her way back even though she's never exhibited that much power??? I just couldnt get behind that. And she didn't even do anything for the rest of the movie.... [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] Leia was one of Luke's first students but decided to go into politics because she'd be more useful there. She is just as powerful in the Force as Luke is. [/sp]

[QUOTE=Fort83;52981875]How did [sp]Rose catch up to Finn's speeder in time to save him? She had already turned hers around and was going in the opposite direction up until Finn was within moments of sacrificing himself. The movie had multiple weird distance issues like that. [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]maybe the deathstar cannon slowed him down [/sp] [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Perl;52982237]I've never watched it so I wouldn't know I was more confused about [sp]bodies everywhere and only the two of them being alive[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]They were laying down, hyperdrive collisions only kill those standing. [/sp]

Ship design spoiler : [sp] So the shuttle Finn and Rose use is actually the cockpit of the resistance transport we see in TFA http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Resistance_transport . Pretty cool, too bad we didn't see more of the cool new ships designs. The bombers looked so cool too, but got fucked so quickly. At least with the destruction of their entire fleet, crew, and absolutely everyone beside like 15 guys and the millenium falcon, I hope EP9 will bring something more than improved X-Wings and A-wings.[/sp]