Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

Watched it. Had some of the best scenes and highest highs in the series, and some of the lowest, most skull-fuckingly low points in the series. [sp]The opening exchange between Poe and Hux was terrible because it was awkwardly paced and frankly anachronistic. Worse yet, the joke about Hux's mom is completely fucking lost on everyone and so everyone is just supposed to laugh because, "Yo mama!" instead of establishing before hand that Hux is rumored to be a bastard child of an Imperial Officer and his slave. You set that up, then that joke has actual punch to it and we can get in to it more.[/sp] [sp]Everything on Canto Bight sucked. It was pointless and stupid, it was like something out of the worst parts of the prequels turned up to 11. Poe's plan might have worked had he discussed it with Admiral Hodor before sending Finn and forgettable loser character off to do it any way. It might have been better had Admiral Hodor told Poe her plan, but as he showed Poe is an irrational idiot who leaps to conclusions and wild behavior that just gets everyone else killed. [/sp] [sp]Why does Rose exist? Who wanted such a meaningless, flat, boring, poorly written character? The fucking scenery has more presence than her. Is she just there for a love triangle between the two of them and Rey in Episode 9? Throw her out an airlock because she does literally nothing.[/sp] [sp]Finn does just about nothing, everything he tries to do fails until somehow Phasma forgets that her armor deflects blasters and as such she shouldn't turn her back on her enemy to stare at a fatfuck with a blaster pistol. That we literally just established earlier in that same sequence won't even scuff her shiny ass armor.[/sp] [sp]Leia fucking died when the bridge was hit. She shouldn't be alive at the end of the movie. That was terrible. Had they done something over the course of TFA and earlier in the movie to establish she had that level of influence with the force, then it might not have been so bad because we could go "Ohh! It makes sense!" instead we go, "What? Where did this come from?" Then just a few hours later after having just recovered a little from being unconscious from being thrown in to space, she can push a fucking blastdoor. Where the fuck did all of this come from?[/sp] [sp]Snoke's death was dumb and Snoke was pointless other than as a dumb red herring we don't care about in the movie. He is literally just there for promotional material to go, "Ooh, big evil sith boss!" then has so little presence in the movie. However the fight scene with Rey and Ren against the guards was really nice, and I liked watched them fight though I wish it had looked a little more like them actually working in sync with each other in their fight. And Ren just catching the lightsaber and turning it on through the guard's skull was a nice little touch. I wish they had honestly either had Ren try to kill Snoke, maybe wound him, they fight the guards, then they flee together. Then they could have Ren trying to make amends and fall off again with his failures or other people's distrust or whatever and then he gets his proper turn to go full darkside. Or else when he takes the throne, Rey actually join him and we get time with no Jedi heroes, and we can have Luke's arrival carry more weight as he finds Rey turned and he admits his faults or gives her some piece of wisdom and truth that makes her second guess her decision to join Ren and she turns back by the end of Episode 9.[/sp] [sp]How in the holy fuck did BB666 know that Finn and the gang were headed to the tracker? How the fuck did an entire squad show up before them and hide themselves in there? Why didn't it just sounds the damn alarm the moment it realized "Hey, those are rebels!" Why did it decide to play cheeky cunt and go, "Ooh, got you!" instead of just doing what its protocol almost absolutely would tell it to.[/sp] [sp]The Hothish fight on salt planet was a little weird. I like the base they hid inside of, the sand skimmers were dumb, the battering ram was surprisingly weak given it melted a relatively small hole in the door. Dumbshit Rose again proved how fucking dumb she is by ramming Finn which could have easily fucking killed his ass. But broadly I like the idea of how its set up to be this big battle and they're going to have reinforcements show up and this big ass set piece in the making. And instead it was boiled down to a very personal moment between two major characters having a fight they've had coming for a long time.[/sp] [sp]Luke is a mixed bag like much of the movie. I think they spent too long on him being mopey and not enough time explaining why the Jedi should come to an end. We get some very valid points about the failings of the Jedi in the past that allowed the rise of Emperor Palpatine and the creation of Vader, and about the failings of having the mythical, god like idols who are literally at the center of a religion. But it was so rushed it wasn't allowed to actually give meaning or resonate with the audience. The shot with the mirror thing in the cave was cool, but what the fuck is it? Why is it there? Why is it entirely unexplained? Why does it serve zero purpose and have no major impact on the plot. Luke says nothing of it, there isn't a comment about it from Ren or Snoke or anything to really indicate they played some role in it. Its not explained why its an object of the dark side. Its just there for an admittedly really neat little mind-bending sequence that I actually like. Watching her test out the delay and timing the snaps and such, the meta-physical nature of it was really cool and I wanted to see more of that. I want to see that brought up again, give me more.[/sp] [sp]The absolutely best fucking scene in the entire damn series was Admiral Hodor taking the cruiser to lightspeed and ramming Snoke's ship. Every part of it was so well executed. When she turned it around and was preparing to ram them, I was already starting to groan because I expected it to slam in to Snoke's ship and we'd get lots of screen shake and a lot of big ass explosions rippling through it and lots of loud noises and panicking shit and just so much overwhelming crap. Instead they completely subverted everyone's expectations by going with an absolutely gorgeous black and white minimalist shot of the streaks of light ripping through the dark. It serves as a great visual metaphor and just a beautiful set of shots and the minimal nature of it makes that sequence so fucking powerful by boiling it down to such simplicity. At first everyone in the theater was gasping and a bit noisy, but after a couple of seconds the most amazing thing happened: The whole fucking theater went completely silent. You couldn't hear people breathing, no one was moving, everyone was just captured by that moment, and the movie knew to keep itself silent. The complete lack of noise and music drove that home. It made that entire sequence carry so much weight, the importance and power of that single action. There was nothing to distract you or muddy the events or anything. It was fucking art. No one expected that sequence and the art director deserves a goddamned award for that alone. I would watch this movie again just to see that sequence again. I want to see it again in the theater just because of the reaction it got from the audience. Literally right as the sequence was ending, someone else in the theater finally broke the silence with just a dumbfounded "Woah." which perfectly captured the feelings everyone had.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Fort83;52981875]How did [sp]Rose catch up to Finn's speeder in time to save him? She had already turned hers around and was going in the opposite direction up until Finn was within moments of sacrificing himself. The movie had multiple weird distance issues like that. [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]He wasn't using the rod stabilizer and he was going against a huge beam of energy so he probably slowed down a lot[/sp]

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52982349]Watched it. Had some of the best scenes and highest highs in the series, and some of the lowest, most skull-fuckingly low points in the series. [sp]The opening exchange between Poe and Hux was terrible because it was awkwardly paced and frankly anachronistic. Worse yet, the joke about Hux's mom is completely fucking lost on everyone and so everyone is just supposed to laugh because, "Yo mama!" instead of establishing before hand that Hux is rumored to be a bastard child of an Imperial Officer and his slave. You set that up, then that joke has actual punch to it and we can get in to it more.[/sp] [/QUOTE] Yea the comedy in this movie really didn't work for me, it felt like a Marvel movie (which I like) but Star Wars already has it's own tone. I won't be watching any future Star Wars films if this is the direction they are headed. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52982349] [sp]Everything on Canto Bight sucked. It was pointless and stupid, it was like something out of the worst parts of the prequels turned up to 11. Poe's plan might have worked had he discussed it with Admiral Hodor before sending Finn and forgettable loser character off to do it any way. It might have been better had Admiral Hodor told Poe her plan, but as he showed Poe is an irrational idiot who leaps to conclusions and wild behavior that just gets everyone else killed. [/sp] [/QUOTE] The only redeeming part of that entire side-plot was [sp]seeing Benicio Del Toro, but I didn't like his character at all so it was wasted anyways. Also that shot at the end of the movie with the little kid felt like a toy commercial...[/sp] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52982349] [sp]Why does Rose exist? Who wanted such a meaningless, flat, boring, poorly written character? The fucking scenery has more presence than her. Is she just there for a love triangle between the two of them and Rey in Episode 9? Throw her out an airlock because she does literally nothing.[/sp] [sp]Then they could have Ren trying to make amends and fall off again with his failures or other people's distrust or whatever and then he gets his proper turn to go full darkside. Or else when he takes the throne, Rey actually join him and we get time with no Jedi heroes, and we can have Luke's arrival carry more weight as he finds Rey turned and he admits his faults or gives her some piece of wisdom and truth that makes her second guess her decision to join Ren and she turns back by the end of Episode 9.[/sp] [sp]The shot with the mirror thing in the cave was cool, but what the fuck is it? Why is it there? Why is it entirely unexplained? Why does it serve zero purpose and have no major impact on the plot. Luke says nothing of it, there isn't a comment about it from Ren or Snoke or anything to really indicate they played some role in it. Its not explained why its an object of the dark side. Its just there for an admittedly really neat little mind-bending sequence that I actually like. Watching her test out the delay and timing the snaps and such, the meta-physical nature of it was really cool and I wanted to see more of that. I want to see that brought up again, give me more.[/sp] [/QUOTE] I absolutely hated the [sp]Rose character, even though I feel these movies need an expanded cast outside of the OT characters. She gave me Jar Jar binks vibes, except I think I preferred Jar Jar.[/sp] Even though it may have been predictable, this was the perfect opportunity [sp]to make Kylo a "grey character". He could have left the FO and went his own way but they ruined this opportunity. Same goes with Ray, could have made her character much more interesting if she seriously considered joining him. Instead Ray's character stayed the same and Kylo went backwards.[/sp] Also utterly confused by the entire [sp]cave sequence with Ray, Luke said something about the dark side and in the end that entire sequence contributed nothing to the film. I can't find anyone talking about this but it's one of the scenes that bothered me the most. I did enjoy Luke's Force projection scene, which shows his mastery over the Force. This was dampened when he immediately dies afterwards for no reason (I guess Mark didn't want to do any more movies?)[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52981832]Here's my question regarding Holdo's actions. [sp]Her plan all along, was to evacuate the ship, let the First Order destroy it, and escape to a nearby planet, right? So in every conceivable situation, the ship was going to be destroyed. This was a factor of her plan. The big hole in which, is that it left the escape ships hugely vulnerable and open to attack. There wasn't any solution to this in Holdo's original escape plan.[/sp] [/QUOTE] [sp]The transports had sensor cloaks the First Order didn't detect them leaving the Raddus until DJ gave that fact up[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52982473][sp]The transports had sensor cloaks the First Order didn't detect them leaving the Raddus until DJ gave that fact up[/sp][/QUOTE] yeah [sp]you even know they aren't detecting the Transports since they evacuated the other ships unnoticed[/sp] also, I liked this comment from reddit about [sp]luke's death[/sp]. [sp]"It was a great send off. I loved the scene, and thinking about it further I'm truly happy that they went this way. Having luke die to an enemy, even kylo or snoke, wouldn't have been right. He's Luke, he shouldn't loose a fight and die like that. On The other hand, having him solve all problems for the rebellion/Rey would have been wrong as well, this is Rey's trilogy, she's our hero. He used his last strength and wisdom on the ways of the force to help in the way he wanted: without hurting a single person, without fighting again. Rey put it best: he went with peace, and purpose. Such an important, amazing character, he deserved a moment like this."[/sp]

[sp]Them remaking the scene of Luke staring into space, as a young man, dreaming about his future and wondering if he would ever leave Tatooine, honestly made me tear up a little.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52982098]Uh [sp]Leia always had a modicum of force powers, even in the OT. She sensed her husband's death from planets away in TFA so she's not exactly super weak either.[/sp] [/QUOTE] [sp]I barely even remember her having force powers in the OT, and tbh, I thought her sensing Han's death was less of the force and more just a "gut feeling" sort of thing that's been portrayed in movies before. Guess I missed it, or her display of the force is usually so subtle that it's hard to notice. Thanks for the context.[/sp]

My Christmas wish is that the next movie is 3 hours long and it actually uses that time to flesh out this half-baked sequel setting. No wasted time on cookie cutter silliness. Save Star Wars from being disposable trash.

I liked exactly 50% of the movie. Everything that had to do with Kylo and Rey was interesting [sp]and the lightsaber fight after Snoke died was fucking awesome.[/sp] Everything else was just garbage. [sp] Anything that had to do with the cruiser and them running away from the First Order was just banal and dumb and literally has no bearing on the important parts of the movie. I genuinely feel like it devalues all of the secondary cast. The beginning of the movie with the bombers is an assault on the senses. The hyperspace thing was super cool, but it was a neat [i]moment[/i]. The vast majority of the time during these scenes I was left holding my head wondering what the fuck is going on and why is this happening and WHY is it important.[/sp] I'm surprised I got that much out of me. I'm on my phone so I'm not writing out more but there is a very clear divide between what I thought were the good and bad parts of TLJ.

Well, total anecdotal evidence here, but I guess opinion actually is divided. I generally liked it, and my friends generally hated it.

[QUOTE=redBadger;52981901][Sp]Leia can force pull herself into a ship from space and can push open a blast door but when it came to those rocks on Crait we really needed Rey to conveniently be there to do it like really.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Leia was using a cane and was clearly feeble after doing that. I think it's pretty clear that she did not have the strength to do it.[/sp]

I saw it and it felt like a combination of TFA, TESB and some elements of the prequels A lot of fanservice and extremely questionable moments A lot of filler Overall it wasn't a bad movie, but it wasn't anything special or amazing either [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;52982227]It only worked because [sp]the first order wasn't paying attention to the ship since Hux outright told them to ignore it. They didn't have the time to shoot at the ship but in any other situation they very easily would have been able to take it out before it had time to charge up the drive and ram them at lightspeed.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]But if it was a possibility, why not, in the return of the jedi would the rebels not have just sacrificed one ship to suicide bomb the empires fleet/maybe kill the emperor??[/sp]

[QUOTE=Banned?;52982512][sp]The beginning of the movie with the bombers is an assault on the senses.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] The thing that bothered me about the "bombing attack" was the fact that the bombers were larger than the transport craft the survivors of the fleet left on, shouldn't the rebellion know that it's greatest advantage is mechanically superior small aircraft? The "bombers" move so slow, idk how no one thought that flying those things point blank and packed together over and in the middle of an imperial fleet wouldn't get them ripped apart like they did.[/sp]

[sp] I was just thinking that they actually wrote an entire comic dedicated to Phasma to build her backstory and (attempt to) justify her one questionable scene from The Force Awakens only to kill her off with as little fanfare as possible in The Last Jedi[/sp]. But that's ok guys, I guess I'll be enlightened by the screenwriters' brillance in due time like everyone else, no?

[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;52982532][sp] The thing that bothered me about the "bombing attack" was the fact that the bombers were larger than the transport craft the survivors of the fleet left on, shouldn't the rebellion know that it's greatest advantage is mechanically superior small aircraft? The "bombers" move so slow, idk how no one thought that flying those things point blank and packed together over and in the middle of an imperial fleet wouldn't get them ripped apart like they did.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Leia knew they would get ripped apart, [I]that's why she ordered Poe to call off the attack[/I]. But being the hotshot and always wanting to play ~the hero~, Poe continued on course anyway and got a lot of people killed. Leading to his demontion and erosing of trust by the Resistance's leadership[/sp]

[QUOTE=kill3r;52982524]I saw it and it felt like a combination of TFA, TESB and some elements of the prequels A lot of fanservice and extremely questionable moments A lot of filler Overall it wasn't a bad movie, but it wasn't anything special or amazing either [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [sp]But if it was a possibility, why not, in the return of the jedi would the rebels not have just sacrificed one ship to suicide bomb the empires fleet/maybe kill the emperor??[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Pretty it's not like there was a planetary shield around the Death Star or the fact, disengaging most likely would've meant other Star Destroyers firing upon you. Gotta realize it isn't as simple as that, ramming is never a viable tactic unless it's done by surprise.[/sp]

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52982153]People are perfectly willing to accept that a fucking farmboy was able to go from playing in the sand to storming a secret imperial space station, out-shooting stormtroopers , and completing an attack run on the deathstar- where all the other rebel pilots failed... But seem to take massive issue with a starship scavenger, raised by criminal scum ~knowing shit about flying and repairing a ship~ [i] that belonged to the dude she has worked for her entire life[/i] and being alright at ~beating dudes up with a stick~?.[/QUOTE] Ignoring that in ANH Luke has lines which explain why he's able to make the shot/his piloting skills. Also ignoring that the Empire let them escape the Death Star, which was pointed out by Leia in the movie. If ANH was TFA then Luke would have been instantly better at piloting/repairing the millennium falcon than Han. Luke would be mind tricking the Stormtroopers before being told what the force is, and before the end of the movie would saber duel Vader and win before escaping the Death Star. [QUOTE=fulgrim;52982153]I'm not even going to get into any complaints that involve the force because if you find yourself taking issue with a character being op for no reason besides the fact they happen to be [b]~strong with the force just go with it~[/b] then maybe you shouldn't be watching star wars lmao.[/QUOTE] Having magic in a story doesn't excuse lazy writing.

[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;52982532][sp] The thing that bothered me about the "bombing attack" was the fact that the bombers were larger than the transport craft the survivors of the fleet left on, shouldn't the rebellion know that it's greatest advantage is mechanically superior small aircraft? The "bombers" move so slow, idk how no one thought that flying those things point blank and packed together over and in the middle of an imperial fleet wouldn't get them ripped apart like they did.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The thing that bothered me was that none of the Star Destroyers tried to help the Dreadnought? None? There were like six of them. And the fact that the plan was fucking stupid anyway. Everything that had to do with Poe and Finn was a genuine waste of time with so many logical holes in it. I was constantly baffled every time we went back to Poe & The Gang.[/sp]

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;52981629][sp]https://vimeo.com/247452946[/sp] I got you.[/QUOTE] [sp] Someone time this with Rules of Nature [/sp]

[QUOTE=Thlis;52982586]If ANH was TFA then Luke would have been instantly better at piloting/repairing the millennium falcon than Han. Luke would be mind tricking the Stormtroopers before being told what the force is, and before the end of the movie would saber duel Vader and win before escaping the Death Star.[/QUOTE] Rey had been working for Unkar Plutt for a very long time. Unkar Plutt had owned the Falcon for many years, and based on her dialogue she was not unfamiliar with the damn thing - even going as far as having piloted it before (She states after they escape the FO on Jakku that she had never left the atmosphere)! She knew what the issues with the Falcon were for a couple of reasons. Firstly, she [I]knew the changes Unakr Plutt, her boss, had made to the ship[/I]. Secondly, she was a scavenger and had an understanding of those systems has a part of her job. She took apart spaceships for a living, why is it not understandable that she could understand how to fix a problem that she knew existed??? Also, [I]she knew what the force was[/I]. This is like a major point in the movie, that she's meeting these people she had only heard about in stories, and that they just weren't. So she tried some of it out for herself. Also, the only reason she won that duel was because Kylo was both heavily wounded and was trying to convert her. He didn't want to kill her and got cocky in the process.

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;52982533][sp] I was just thinking that they actually wrote an entire comic dedicated to Phasma to build her backstory and (attempt to) justify her one questionable scene from The Force Awakens only to kill her off with as little fanfare as possible in The Last Jedi[/sp]. But that's ok guys, I guess I'll be enlightened by the screenwriters' brillance in due time like everyone else, no?[/QUOTE] Why does every character need to have an elaborate back story? Why does Snoke need it? [Sp]his only purpose is to be a signal that Kylo's changing and getting more confident in his strength[/sp] Why does Phasma need it? [Sp]her only purpose is to show that Finn has found his place in the world[/sp] Same thing about Knights of Ren, the only reason for them to show up would be because "well, they exist, gotta be in the movie then!". Kylo's ark in this film has no place for his "parents suck, the world is cruel" club. Just because it's Star Wars doesn't mean every fucking character needs to have their own mini Wikipedia synopsis in the movie. "Damn, those Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen characters are a joke! They never set them up properly! Who are they? Why is their nephew force sensitive and ao great at piloting? This is bullshit" Really, what am I missing? Emperor had nothing and it was perfectly fine, because he ultimately didn't matter

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;52982276]It was like something straight out of Spaceballs.[/QUOTE] or Hardware Wars [video=youtube;0ymFxkFfIhU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ymFxkFfIhU[/video]

I mean, I understand wanting compelling characters, but figures like Phasma or Snoke have [I]enough[/I] in them so that the confict is there; and beyond that, well, why is that a film's job to explain every character? Isn't that why the EU exists? To explore aspects of the films that weren't fleshed out? It's a film, and a film has to have focus, you have to focus on what matters to the story.

Honestly I'm not even capable of mustering up the courage to let my heart yearn for the Star Wars brand anymore. As soon as it became a Disney-owned brand I knew it was going to become a McDonald's-style franchise even moreso than Lucas had already made it, and from what I've heard of the story and from what TFA was I'm now dead certain on that belief. Cut out 'Kylo', splice in 'Snoke', slap a producer's name on it, get a safe-and-harmless director with little personal vision beyond the popular ideal of the series, and wheel it out as a bi-Christmas funfair. Seemingly harmless, but ultimately it's reductive and a creative quagmire. A black hole that absorbs talent and potential and consumers' time and money. I suppose a lot of the burden is also on people who know it's the same fucking shit with a different lick of paint, but at the same time, the studios market these kinds of movies so fucking voraciously (and use such underhanded tactics as viralling and paid fans) that I honestly can't say the blame isn't at the very least more on the part of the studios. Oh well. There will always be culture out there for me, I suppose, and if not, my dissociative episodes (which have been growing in frequency) will provide me endless entertainment. Rest in peace, Star Wars. You were never the pinnacle of art, but you used to have something to offer.

[QUOTE=Chris Morris;52982638]Honestly I'm not even capable of mustering up the courage to let my heart yearn for the Star Wars brand anymore. As soon as it became a Disney-owned brand I knew it was going to become a McDonald's-style franchise even moreso than Lucas had already made it, and from what I've heard of the story and from what TFA was I'm now dead certain on that belief. Cut out 'Kylo', splice in 'Snoke', slap a producer's name on it, get a safe-and-harmless director with little personal vision beyond the popular ideal of the series, and wheel it out as a bi-Christmas funfair. Seemingly harmless, but ultimately it's reductive and a creative quagmire. A black hole that absorbs talent and potential and consumers' time and money. I suppose a lot of the burden is also on people who know it's the same fucking shit with a different lick of paint, but at the same time, the studios market these kinds of movies so fucking voraciously (and use such underhanded tactics as viralling and paid fans) that I honestly can't say the blame isn't at the very least more on the part of the studios. Oh well. There will always be culture out there for me, I suppose, and if not, my dissociative episodes (which have been growing in frequency) will provide me endless entertainment. Rest in peace, Star Wars. You were never the pinnacle of art, but you used to have something to offer.[/QUOTE] uh if anything the movies issue is that the director has too much of an vision, the original cut was over 3 hours long, disney is pretty hands off

there is no evidence that rey has piloted anything that goes higher that 3 feet above the ground.

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;52982646]uh if anything the movies issue is that the director has too much of an vision, the original cut was over 3 hours long, disney is pretty hands off[/QUOTE] Honestly, I don't buy that's because of the director's vision, I buy that it's because they wanted to stuff as much shit as possible under one budget. But then again that's purely my opinion and conjecture, so..

Yeah, never really understood why people had a problem with Rey beating Kylo in TFA. Like. At all. Dude wasn't just wounded, he was hit with a round from a fucking Bowcaster, a weapon that is a railgun that fires with so much force that it gets covered in plasma as it leaves the weapon. They literally have a scene setting up how powerful it is when Han uses it to cause an explosion so powerful that hitting the ground next to guys in armour was not just enough to kill them, but send them flying as well.

I just watched it and it was okay. I was actually afraid it was just going to be Empire strikes back 2, i'm happy they did something new instead. It felt like I watched the first season of a show condensed into a movie

[QUOTE=halfer;52982628]I mean, I understand wanting compelling characters, but figures like Phasma or Snoke have [I]enough[/I] in them so that the confict is there; and beyond that, well, why is that a film's job to explain every character? Isn't that why the EU exists? To explore aspects of the films that weren't fleshed out? It's a film, and a film has to have focus, you have to focus on what matters to the story.[/QUOTE] [sp]Snoke actually literally needs an explanation because he is entirely out of place. He is an old and immensely powerful force user who has shitloads of resources and somehow formed a new Empire fresh off the corpse of the old one. Where in the ever loving fuck did he come from? Where was he during the six movies prior to Force Awakens? That actually needs to be explained because it makes no fucking sense.[/sp]