Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=KnightRider25;52983244]Saw the movie, it was great. Not amazing as there were some problems and lots of inconsistency but man, the [sp]Hyperspace Jump into Snoke's Ship was amazing[/sp][/QUOTE] Personally, it was the highlight of the movie. Which probably says a lot about the rest of the film...

My only problem with Rey is that she used the Jedi mind trick basically immediately. Luke only used the mind trick after both learning the ways of the force and training as a Jedi between films, and it only worked on one guy. I think it would have been better for her to use a physical elements of the force to escape, since using the force to manipulate the physical world are baby-tier force powers and should come naturally to someone who is strong in the force.

Was I the only person that liked [sp]Rose[/sp]? I thought she was cute as fuck.

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;52983250]The T-16 and X-Wing are both made by Incom. The control scheme is very similar which let Luke actually fly it despite only just getting into it. In Legends, the T-16 was used by the Rebellion as a trainer for the X-Wing.[/QUOTE] Point to me in the original Star Wars film where that is stated. It isn’t. I’m not a fan of things that just get explained away in books, etc... If it wasn’t in the movie, it doesn’t count.

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52983303]Was I the only person that liked [sp]Rose[/sp]? I thought she was cute as fuck.[/QUOTE] [sp]I liked her. I also didn’t hate progs. They were barely in it[/sp]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52983261]Personally, it was the highlight of the movie. Which probably says a lot about the rest of the film...[/QUOTE] Almost 24 hours later, I still say 50% of the movie sucked and didn't matter.

So I saw it with my mom, who has loved Star Wars since she saw A New Hope in theaters in 1977. We both loved it. I respect the opinions of those who have issues of the film and have laid them out in a reasonable manner - but as for the people who were calling it the worst Star Wars film ever and claiming Disney paid off the critics, WTF are you smoking?

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52983303]Was I the only person that liked [sp]Rose[/sp]? I thought she was cute as fuck.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say I liked her, but I was pretty indifferent towards her. The HATE seems wildly overblown. She was fine.

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52983303]Was I the only person that liked [sp]Rose[/sp]? I thought she was cute as fuck.[/QUOTE] I liked [sp]her, but I thought her final line was a bit tone-deaf in the middle of the battle. It's one of the movies main lessons, and having it spoken in that specific situation kind of cheapens it. Also, the fact that she's not dead should have been clearer in that scene; I went "oh, she straight up died? Good on you movie", and then it became clear she's alive[/sp]

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;52983250]The T-16 and X-Wing are both made by Incom. The control scheme is very similar which let Luke actually fly it despite only just getting into it. In Legends, the T-16 was used by the Rebellion as a trainer for the X-Wing.[/QUOTE] I vaguely remembered something like this, but it wasn't explained in the film, So it's totally fair for me to use it as ammunition to try and prove Luke is a Mary sue for my Youtube channel (remember to like comment and subscribe). I would like to point out that I [i] don't[/i] believe either character is a Mary sue. I'm just trying to point out that Rey's original portrayal in TFA is [i] so close[/i] to that of Luke's in ANH that it's just so weird to claim one is a Mary Sue while the other is fine. IIRC Rey even has a similar chunk additional backstory in a novel that describes her doing things such as building a makeshift flight simulator and teaching herself to fly more adeptly. They even has the same kind of out of movie justifications for their skills.

[QUOTE=Dr McNinja;52982831][sp]I kind of like the idea that luke was never as strong of a fighter but his strength as a jedi master was more toward enlightenment and mental focused force powers[/sp] [sp]oh.. and i actually kind of liked the porgs although i get they were just thrown in for the kids or something because they really don't have any significance. Then again this movie proves that not everything has a secret reason behind it and not everyone is actually someone elses mothers brothers sons dog or something[/sp][/QUOTE] the hell, no he is supposed to be the most powerful... even if he was shit at fighting, his superpowered shitfighting should be better than anyone elses good fighting

[QUOTE=Griffster26;52982882]I wish Wedge Antilles and Lando Calrissian would come back[/QUOTE] Wedge's actor didn't want to come back unless they gave him a bigger role, so he's assumed [sp]to have died when Starkiller Base blew up the Hosnian system. He was stationed there as a flight instructor.[/sp] Which bummed me out but then I found out Greg Grunberg's character in TFA is his stepson and protege. [sp]But he doesn't appear AT ALL in TLJ despite being one of the few pilots to survive Starkiller Base.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52982765][sp]I don't think Snoke needs explanation, you can understand him from just the movies alone. He's powerful, he has the force. But he's also basically a playboy, you can tell from his clothes how he acts. He's just there for the power, to be in control[/sp][/QUOTE] Are you 5?

Just saw it and it was ok. My main critique would be that in each little thing, from the fluffy birds to the sudden outburst of brutality in Snokes room you can always see what the writers had in mind. Nothing about this movie was surprising or giving me any new thoughts or even experiences. It's just ok.

[QUOTE=27X;52983431]Are you 5?[/QUOTE] So because I don't share your opinion you make fun of me? [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=GM000;52983413]the hell, no he is supposed to be the most powerful... even if he was shit at fighting, his superpowered shitfighting should be better than anyone elses good fighting[/QUOTE] He was only super strong in Legends, the current canon has made him more tame.

[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;52983332]So I saw it with my mom, who has loved Star Wars since she saw A New Hope in theaters in 1977. We both loved it. I respect the opinions of those who have issues of the film and have laid them out in a reasonable manner - but as for the people who were calling it the worst Star Wars film ever and claiming Disney paid off the critics, WTF are you smoking?[/QUOTE] I would not by any manner say it is the worse Star Wars film ever. That's reserved for Episode I, always. I think I would put it in this order: OT > Rogue One > TFA > TLJ > Prequels

Damn. I enjoyed how Luke was portrayed in the old EU than what he is right now.

[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;52983303]Was I the only person that liked [sp]Rose[/sp]? I thought she was cute as fuck.[/QUOTE] I feel as that character was completely useless and unneeded to the plot and story.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;52983295]My only problem with Rey is that she used the Jedi mind trick basically immediately. Luke only used the mind trick after both learning the ways of the force and training as a Jedi between films, and it only worked on one guy.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=fulgrim;52983368]I'm just trying to point out that Rey's original portrayal in TFA is [I] so close[/I] to that of Luke's in ANH that it's just so weird to claim one is a Mary Sue while the other is fine.[/QUOTE] The difference between Rey and Luke is that Luke spends the entirety of ANH being just a normal kid, with his Force-sensitivity only demonstrated as a parlor trick when he does the training with Obi-Wan. Any time they're fighting Stormtroopers, Luke's on the run. When Vader shows up and kills Obi-Wan, Luke is helpless to do anything about it. He is given an X-Wing for the final assault, but his major accomplishment aside from not immediately dying to Vader (through, really, no act of his own) is pulling off a Force-assisted trick shot that saves the day. For 99% of the film he's just a teenager. Pulling off a superhuman feat guided by the Force is his crowning achievement and symbolic of his evolution as a character. It only occurs in a single instant when the stakes are greatest. In contrast Rey seems to be much more capable of using the Force from the get-go, and ends up beating the main villain one-on-one. She's set up as having Special Powers the instant she first uses the Force, and from that point on only becomes more and more capable. I'm not going to call her a Mary Sue, but her portrayal is not like Luke's at all. She's far more capable from the outset and does things just out of the blue that took Luke multiple films and training from a Jedi Master to accomplish.

Under the spoiler is a link to an article about something that people in this thread have wondered about [sp]http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/16/the-last-jedi-spoiler-yoda-star-wars-surprising-return/ it says here Yoda was puppetered by Oz, and it was based off the original molds[/sp]

I'm back! I'm sure you didn't miss me at all. First, I'd like to quote this post, because it's true. [QUOTE=RG4ORDR;52983048]For anyone it's just unusual how competent and good she is. Anakin when we first seem the only skill in the Force he has is pre-cognition but it's not something he KNOWS he's doing. Luke's first interaction is actually deflecting a blaster shot with his light saber but the biggest first use is his shooting proton torpedoes into the exhaust port. Even then Obi-Wan was telling him to reach out with his feelings. Rey's first successful use of the Force was to successfully mind-trick a first order trooper, without have ANY knowledge of a Jedi Mind trick and then resisting Kylo's probing of her mind. Her naturally resisting Kylo's attempts to get information is fine because it's one those innate things all force users demonstrate, however her mindtricking a stormtrooper without training and naturally doing it is stretching it. Then her beating someone whose trained for YEARS AND YEARS WITH A LIGHTSABER. Sabine had to be trained by Ezra and friggin Kanan to use it. Ezra had to be trained by Kanan who wasn't but a padawan when Order 66 happened. Finn literally swung wildly and used the lightsaber most way people would and just swung for the fences, but Finn was a trained stormtrooper who in junior novels IIRC used those riot trooper batons. Rey literally used a stick in the desert to hit people, but she was just entirely able to go toe to toe with someone that not only got lightsaber training from Luke, but from Snoke too? Come on now.[/QUOTE] Now I will ask and answer some questions. [QUOTE]I don't get the Mary Sue stuff, in tfa she's overly aggressive and constantly trying to shirk responsibility, afraid of leaving her Sandy shithole of de facto slavery life because it's familiar to her. She has some damn big character flaws. Just because she's a good pilot doesn't mean she's a Mary Sue.[/QUOTE] I don't recall the first 2 leading to any real problems, and I don't recall the last one at all. Could you find a clip or synopsis supporting this? [QUOTE]is bb-8 a mary sue?[/QUOTE] yes [QUOTE]A Mary Sue is literally a self insertion character.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Mary Sue is kind of a well defined thing[/QUOTE] [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue"]no. mary sue is a very nebulous term.[/URL]

[QUOTE=halfer;52983527]Under the spoiler is a link to an article about something that people in this thread have wondered about [sp]http://ew.com/movies/2017/12/16/the-last-jedi-spoiler-yoda-star-wars-surprising-return/ it says here Yoda was puppetered by Oz, and it was based off the original molds[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Well those molds must have deteriorated or the detailing they made after they made the puppet was off. There is comparison of the ESB puppet and the TLj puppet and they're pretty different[/sp]

I just got back from it expecting it to be bad. Now I'm really fucking confused. Other than a really, really weird [sp]Finn and Rose Casino adventure that felt right out of the prequels[/sp] Nothing stood out as somehow atrocious. Yeah there's some weird choices, but nothing that makes it terrible, nothing that makes it somehow the worst Star Wars film ever made. I actually really liked it. I won't pretend that there aren't problems [sp]Luke's death was arbitrary, So was Snoke's. There's an overabundance of CG animals EVERYWHERE[/sp] But it felt original while still being a loveletter to the originals, and I think that many people took TFA (Which is a way, way worse film than TLJ)'s references to be somehow offensive despite the fact that basically everything that is a sequel ever does the exact same thing, visual gags, line references etc. That doesn't excuse TFA being a complete clone of ANH, but come the fuck on.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52983550][sp]Well those molds must have deteriorated or the detailing they made after they made the puppet was off. There is comparison of the ESB puppet and the TLj puppet and they're pretty different[/sp][/QUOTE] Just in case there's a misunderstanding, I didn't post this to prove you wrong; I didn't notice [sp]Yoda looking "different" in that scene, but I'm not dismissing your argument entirely. I noticed that he looked weird, but I'm fairly sure that's because of the blue glow they added in post[/sp]

Just saw it in 3D 6/10. The movie attempted to do something it shouldn’t’ve and couldn’t’ve.

[QUOTE=halfer;52983561]Just in case there's a misunderstanding, I didn't post this to prove you wrong; I didn't notice [sp]Yoda looking "different" in that scene, but I'm not dismissing your argument entirely. I noticed that he looked weird, but I'm fairly sure that's because of the blue glow they added in post[/sp][/QUOTE] Oh sorry, I didn't intend to accuse you of anything [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] 43 pieces of concept art from the movie with captions, spoilers obviously [url]https://imgur.com/a/vUTHA[/url]

This movie was definitely better than the previous one imo, despite the amount of nonsense in it [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52983452]I would not by any manner say it is the worse Star Wars film ever. That's reserved for Episode I, always. I think I would put it in this order: OT > Rogue One > TFA > TLJ > Prequels[/QUOTE] My presumably unpopular ranking, best to worst ROTS, TESB, ANH, AOTC, TLJ, ROTJ, TPM, TFA I have a lot of nostalgia bias, I love the prequels more than they probably deserve bc I grew up on that shit

So, just got back from watching it. I got [sp]Luke's death[/sp] spoiled for me but not how it happened, so I was pretty fine with it. It was unexpected, but felt fitting and still shocked me. Besides, [sp]it's not like this is the last we see of him, y'know, Jedi ghosts and all that[/sp]. Overall, I thought it was way better than 7, and I already thought 7 was awesome. There were two irks I had with it. The movie was amazing through and through until [sp]the last 20 minutes or so, specifically with the "mini death-star". The narrative quickly condenced the "there's no hope!" feeling into like 5 minutes and it felt very, very rushed. When Finn was about to sacrifice himself I though this would be his big "hero moment" and it was IMMENSELY tense. Like, "biting the skin of my fingers" tense - only for it to become a huge blueball by Rose who sweeps in and crashes the plan. At that point me and my friend both looked at eachother like "... what the fuck?". It didn't feel endearing or loving at all.[/sp] The second issue I had was [sp]with how Lukes death WAS handled. With Han it was the ULTIMATE betrayal, it was his own son - it was a big twist and it was handled beautifully not only from the DoP but from soundtrack and acting. Luke dying felt like it came kind of out of left field. It feels odd to me that Luke would go through the whole hologram/Jedi ghost trick to fight Kylo if he was just going to die anyway. Like, if he had been there in person instead I think it might have added an urgency to the battle and it could have given a bigger impact. I get they were going for a Kenobi-style death where they want to show Kylo (as well as the audience) that a Jedi is stronger in death (even including the classic "fade-away". But I feel like they could've as well had him there at the scene. I feel like the prime reason they did it this way was so they could have Luke "gaze at the horizon", like Yoda says (though I do get the callback to earlier movies)[/sp] :v: Anyway, my favorite scene by far was [sp]lightspeed warping into Snokes ship. Sometimes less is more - and having zero sound to that scene made it all the more impactful. It could not have been delivered better. It was one of the most satisfying explosions I have ever seen in cinema[/sp]. tl;dr it was a good movie. Episodes, in order of favorite: (1, 3, 2), 5, 6, 7, [B]8[/B], 4 [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] Oh, and I was surprised at the minimal use of [sp]Porgs. The way they hamfisted these fuckers into the advertising I was sure they were gonna become the next Minions.[/sp]

[QUOTE=jonu67;52982980]I know right, I want them to bring [sp]her back again so she can yet again be completely superfluous and die in another hilariously crap way.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Her appearance in episode 9 should just be a montage of pain. Just have her get ridiculously blindsided by something like five times as she increasingly desperately tries to look cool and has a ship land on her mid-scene or something.[/sp]

Why do people always argue over the reasons for Luke and Rey being skilled pilots, but totally ignore Anakin? I don't care that he was good at pod racing, there's no excuse for a little kid blowing up the Trade Federation's control ship. And are we just going to ignore that he was even capable of spinning, and how that's a good trick?