Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

what was the point of the [sp]sith hole on the island with the mirror thing that rey experienced?[/sp]

[QUOTE=meppers;52983706]what was the point of the [sp]sith hole on the island with the mirror thing that rey experienced?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I guess to show that she was willing to take an exceptionally easy route to answer a question regardless of the consequences.[/sp] I'm pulling that from the air but it's the best idea I got.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;52983685]Why do people always argue over the reasons for Luke and Rey being skilled pilots, but totally ignore Anakin? I don't care that he was good at pod racing, there's no excuse for a little kid blowing up the Trade Federation's control ship. And are we just going to ignore that he was even capable of spinning, and how that's a good trick?[/QUOTE] Because everyone knows the prequels suck by now.

i felt like there were pretty big pacing issues in tlj.

I really liked Canto Bight. [sp]Besides a few stupid alien fucks the design of the glamorous but massively corrupt city was really cool. Even if Finn and Rose's blunder of a mission was the driving force of their visit, I feel like it existed just to show another morally grey side of their conflict. We also saw how a visit from Resistance "heroes" can inspire hope, which was the point of the film's ending, so they were successful in a way. Regarding DJ, I'd be surprised if that was the last we're seeing of him. [/sp] On another note, I feel like after all this discussion someone needs to acknowledge the [sp]Gareth Edwards[/sp] cameo. I almost missed it but it's fairly in-your-face.

I'll have to agree on some people about Snoke, like [sp]who was he anyways? How did he get to Kylo Ren? Did he met up with him? Like we know very little of him or at least something about his background and now that he's dead it's like "was he really necessary in the story?" Sure, they showed us that he's very powerful with the Force but like come on, give us SOMETHING.[/sp]

[sp] what gets me with snoke is that leia luke, everybody seems to know snoke, like if he was a weird uncle. But the audience doesn't know about him. [/sp]

Major plot spoilers I think i need to see it one more time but I still feel the same on [sp]Snoke's death. As cool as the actual *act* of his death was, it feels really cheap that's he's killed off as part of a split second decision on account of Kylo's gain in confidence thanks to Rey. He essentially kills him because he believes that he's found common ground with Rey and can use this to tempt her over to join him on the Neutral Evil side (since IMO the implications of the movie are that the light and dark side are too muddled and meaningless at this point in history) and they can "rule the galaxy".[/sp] Like, we're talking about a guy who was able to coax the son of the leader of the Rebellion/Resistance and the nephew of a Jedi Master to the dark side[sp], and they kill him off as easily as Captain Phasma (who probably isn't dead)[/sp]. It would have at least been interesting to explore a bit of that side of the story, see Kylo's first interactions with Snoke, etc. I understand that Kylo was meant to have decided to turn to the dark side [sp]after Luke tried to kill him[/sp], but what put the amount of rage there that it would make him decide to destroy the entire temple? Although I guess you could infer that from Han and Leia's apparent strained marriage, or something. What about his training as a Dark Force user? Manipulation at the hands of Snoke? The rebirth of the First Order? I dunno, I just think it would have been nice to get to experience some more of Kylo Ren's back story since we got way more info about Rey so far. Another thing I noticed was that [sp]Snoke is killed in a very similar way to Darth Maul (bisected at the waist)[/sp] It's like poetry.

The strange thing is Snoke's [sp]backstory has been written, but for years everyone involved with the character has kept silent. Why though? Why create all this intrigue around a powerful human-alien-guy that showed up out of nowhere, took control of a huge army and used the force to totally fuck up the Skywalkers? It could have been explained at any point, even a line of dialogue would do, yet despite his massive impact we know nothing about him and he's already dead.[/sp] [QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52983852]Another thing I noticed was that [sp]Snoke is killed in a very similar way to Darth Maul (bisected at the waist)[/sp][/QUOTE] How long until [sp]Snoke gets metal legs for the animated spin-off show?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;52983855]The strange thing is Snoke's [sp]backstory has been written, but for years everyone involved with the character has kept silent. Why though? Why create all this intrigue around a powerful human-alien-guy that showed up out of nowhere, took control of a huge army and used the force to totally fuck up the Skywalkers? It could have been explained at any point, even a line of dialogue would do, yet despite his massive impact we know nothing about him and he's already dead.[/sp][/QUOTE] i think it's Disney's form of Star Wars clickbait. Generate interest by hyping up all these characters with cool designs, then drastically under-deliver because they had to cut the stuff/it was over-exaggerated for marketing

As bad as some of George's decisions may have been. None of the original trilogy films or the prequels had any stupid useless side plots that dragged the film on. Every side plot had a relativity meaningful impact to the final conclusion of story. It also genuinely felt like George was trying to expand the Star Wars universe through his own personal vision & ideas instead of trying to appeal to it's fans, even if it didn't always pay off. George was a true risk taker imo. Rian Johnson is just a corporate shill along with JJ Abrams. And I liked the TLJ...well at least the Kylo/Luke/Ren parts. The rest of it was absolute Disney crap.

[QUOTE=meppers;52983706]what was the point of the [sp]sith hole on the island with the mirror thing that rey experienced?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Rey went to the Dark Side to look for the answers she wanted. Luke had told her that the only thing the Dark Side offers is something she wants. She went there and discovered the truth - it's just a lie, a ploy to get her to join in and it really doesn't have the answers she wants, only pretends to.[/sp] [sp]I hope this is a foreshadow of Kylo telling her that her parents were just nobody junkers. I think if they take this route in the next movie, it'll make TLJ a bit stronger[/sp] [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] In the OT, I feel as if the battle between Jedi and Sith are somewhat irrelevant to the greater Rebels vs Empire. In the prequels, it's the opposite, where the battles between the Confederacy and the Republic are irrelevant compared to the battle between the Jedi and the Sith. In this new trilogy, Disney is trying very hard to do both and as a result I feel they are faltering all of it.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52983571]Oh sorry, I didn't intend to accuse you of anything [editline]16th December 2017[/editline] 43 pieces of concept art from the movie with captions, spoilers obviously [url]https://imgur.com/a/vUTHA[/url][/QUOTE] I spy in the Canto Brite artwork, A Twilek,Rodian,Transdoshan,Quarren, what I can assume is a Mon-Calamari, but none of those species save for Ackbar are in the Sequel trilogy. Fuck off.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52983571] 43 pieces of concept art from the movie with captions, spoilers obviously [url]https://imgur.com/a/vUTHA[/url][/QUOTE] That sucks they went with the worse design for BB-9E (outside that version that is just BB-8 but black)

Finally saw TLJ tonight. I liked it, although I recognize that it had many problems. My fondness of it may increase or decrease based on what happens in IX. One small detail I really liked was how [sp]Luke referred to Palpatine as "Darth Sidious," a name that was only introduced in the prequels. It was a nice, brief nod.[/sp]

Saw the whole thing in 3D a few hours ago. I don't recommend 3D in this movie, because it makes everything feel less real. We only saw it that way because of limited seating and showtimes at the venue we went to. Regardless, I do recommend watching this movie, I think it's an improvement on TFA but not as good as Rogue One. So, my thoughts on the actual movie: [sp]The Rey/Kylo/Luke story was the best part of this movie. The rest of the movie lacked the same sort of tension, since the end result was never really in doubt, although thankfully the steps taken along the way were far less easy to predict. Fin fighting Phasma was cool, the warp into Snoke's ship was perfectly executed, and I thought Luke's death was tasteful. I feel like the entire scene at the casino and the need for a code breaker were unnecessary and padded the movie out, when that time could have been better spent on a more interesting rebel storyline or providing Snoke's background. The worst thing, though, that bothered me for most of the movie, is the mutiny plot. Holdo had no practical reason to not tell anyone the plan, especially after Poe flipped out over abandoning ship. What if Leia had never come out of her coma? Would Holdo have still stayed behind? And if so, would the resistance have landed on that salt planet without knowing why they were there? It just felt contrived.[/sp]

Just got back from the movie. I enjoyed it. I really liked the [sp]sudden death of Snoke just to fuck with the audience's expectations, the re-introduction of mysticism to the Force after the prequel shat on that, and ofc the reveal that Rey's parents aren't anything special at all (thank fuck),[/sp] but god I'd be lying if I said I wasn't annoyed at the [sp]'Surprise! Luke lives!!!..... Just kidding! he dies anyways!' shit they pulled lol. I mean yeah I get that Rey had been saying he closed himself off to the force, so now I guess he became one with it or something, but that 180 was still harsh[/sp]. Everything else I'll probably need to think on some more. A lot more happened in this than I was expecting considering it's the mid-point film. Now I'm really wondering [sp]what the fuck they're gonna do with Leia tho[/sp] o and ofc [sp]holy shit that light-speed kamikaze attack was great[/sp]

The last Jedi 5/10 damn, that was one flawed movie I have been hearing the argument that people are not liking this movie because they dont agree with the decisions the movie took, and if im being honest i dont agree with that. I think you could have done every one of those decisions in better storytelling forms of narrative. [sp]The entire plot of our rebel protagonists relies on them disagreeing with the decisions the new commander/captain is doing, but thats just a convenient plot device which relies on her not telling her true plans based on nothing. The movie throws a phrase like "she was focusing on doing, not trying to look like a hero" well you really are bad at a it because you made half the ship against you because you kept your mouth shout. There was no reasoning for this. Literally anything could have worked. The empire wiring the ships, her being extorted by the empire (maybe holding some family of her) idk whatever reason to explain this. Therefore, all the Finn/Rose plotline got really thin and unnecesary. It could have worked if it was good, but for me, the amount of cgi monsters and wacky/comedic adventures worked really against the urgency of their plans. Also, a really simple ideology about classicism and animal cruelty followed all the actions of these characters. I dont really have problems about the Benicio del toro character besides trying to shove a "rebels and empire both buy weapons from the same guys" new perspective which was only directed to the audience, since neither finn nor rose had a character arc that made that info important in any way. Felt like a middle of the road message they didnt bother finishing. Later, Phasma was a character that as she came and went in the first one, came and went in this one. I feel that was really cheap and pulled it again like it was nothing, again. It made it clear she was a toy to sell and that made me sad. Also, the love resolution between Finn and Rose was really cringy. Came really out of nowhere. Granted, they made it so Finn also felt kinda out of it, but nowhere before we saw an interest from rose to him in any sort of way that was romantic. Sharing adventures or experiences makes friends, thats ok, but romance its not just living things and then almost saying "i love you". So again, i dont have a problem with the idea, but the execution was flawed because there were no clues about it before, it was a resolution without any development. So, about the Rey and Luke storyline. I dont have a problem with Luke going that direction, other than the dynamic was literally Luke walking to the opposite side Rey was. I think the first 6 scenes of them end in the same shot of him going back and showing his back, like i get whats happening but that made Luke intentions confusing and visually, really repetitive and unoriginal. I think this may be more of a personal opinion though, so maybe its just me. After that, i didnt like the way they introduced the flashback or how it was filmed too. I think this may be because the movie was losing me at that point, but anyway, besides that, i cant think of a memorable or a unique sense in their relationship that made me rethink the force or i could really feel some sort of unprecedented training for Rey. When she decides to go to Kylo i still didnt feel Luke had started doing a real job, and while that could be a decision, Rey still was very good with her saber and her abilities to a point i felt she just had this knowledge out of nowhere. Also, this was the very same plotline of Luke/Yoda and i saw it coming so far ahead it was kind of anticlimatic to see it display as it happened. When Kylo killed Snoke i was truly shocked and felt it was cool of them to shove any theories out of the discussion, but thinking about it makes it really cheap to see all the hype, same as phasma, they pull on this characters that are plot devices to other characters. Literally all the characters know Snoke but the audience does not, and it feels like we dont care about a big arc when they outright leave us out of it. "Yeah Snoke is no one" is not what we wanted to hear after all the build up that kept us in the character and the overall story of the new trilogy, this felt bold but reckless, in a way they just cut a big part of what this story was building in favor of another character, Kylo, which is ok to do but it didnt really work since Snoke was still a noone, we are just told hes this great entity so when Kylo kills him we go "oh wow so Kylo is really really clever/powerful then!" but falls flat because we didnt see any of that, for all we know then Snoke was really no more than Kylo, so killing him wasnt a great deal at all. When Luke sees the ghost of Yoda, i felt really conflicted since it was amazing seeing the old puppet in cgi form, but as a former prequel raised guy, i felt like the last thing you could say was "wrong" about them was how Yoda looked. I felt this was kind of continuity disruptive since they didnt appeal for the established form of Yoda but rather the form of the movie the majority of the people like the most, so they get all the love for this movie to appeal to the original trilogy lovers and bashes the prequels. I felt the Luke ghost maneuver was..cheap too. Maybe this is more of an opinion, but i didnt feel the Force connection thing between Rey and Kylo was foreshadowing this, so when the reveal happens, i felt it came out of nowhere, something like "there are no rules now, beloved viewer, the force can do anything" and at that point i feel like the movie can pull any trick from its sleeve and i have to just role with it "because the force" and i know iam in the minority here because my cinema clapped hard when they reveal luke doing the thing. Also, this may be selfish, but no big saber duel made me kinda sad, i hoped i would see one, but when the Kylo vs Luke started and i saw all the momentum they built when Kylo prepares to charge him for the second time, i said to myself "oh, hes gonna take the hit, its over before it started" and while it did surprise me, i was still kinda letdowned. Him dying too felt kinda unnecessary too, like, i got he used all his power to pull the trick but it was still a semi constructed plot point of redemption of his character to make us feel he gave it all for the rebels. I didnt feel that because, for me, it was really difficult seeing the magnitude of his powers and compare what qualifies as an ultimate sacrifice and what is his current state of skills, since that trick was the only force related thing he did in the whole movie. Also, i couldnt really take seriously the Leia flyring scene, i dont know if it was the cgi, the way it happened or what, but i kinda laughed and my cousin, who was besides me, laughed too so i guess i wasnt the only one. And as a general thought since i dont remember the movie scene for scene, the editing was reaally off at some points, cutting before or after it needed to keep the flow, and very messy trying to find reasons to cut between plotline and plotline, and the comedy in general was realy all over the place for me, i cant point why, but at times some jokes kept the whole cinema dead silence in reaally awkward times, and at some points i laughed my ass off, specially that Iron joke. Overall, there are big important moments done right in this movie, develops original concepts and ideas and makes bold decisions, but the structure and motives of the main characters and storyline seems really flawed o me, and the movie lost me at a lot of times, which i feel really sad about it. When i saw The force awakens, i really loved it, but i knew the constraints it had. An original story, yet familiar, appeal to all audiences, throw a bunch of old characters and be really tone friendly in all senses to kickstart star wars again, so with this movie i had no doubt it would be real better than the last one, having all the liberty in the world to tell whatever they wanted to tell, so its for me, a sad surprise to say its worse than 7 and maybe i enjoyed rogue one better. So, yeah, 5-6/10 You should see it anyway because who cares what i think, i may be really off here [/sp]

Can someone explain [sp]why the salt scene was there? Like where the guy goes out, and some guy licks the foot print and goes, "yeah, it's salt." The guy even is named as Matthew Sharp for Lt. "Salty" in the end credits[/sp] EDIT: [sp]Oh wait he's the assistant director http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0789107/, still that scene had pretty awkward dialogue and i'm not sure why it was even there[/sp]

[QUOTE=AltF4 All Day;52981645]Only thing Rogue One has going for it is cool action scenes and arguably the best fan service moment in any SW movie. But that isn’t nearly enough to make it a good movie imo, it’s one of those movies where you go “eh that was entertaining i guess” and immediately forget about it 1 hour later[/QUOTE] How is it fan service-y? By having era appropriate stuff?

[QUOTE=Dr. Doughnut;52984135]Can someone explain [sp]why the salt scene was there? Like where the guy goes out, and some guy licks the foot print and goes, "yeah, it's salt." The guy even is named as Matthew Sharp for Lt. "Salty" in the end credits[/sp] EDIT: [sp]Oh wait he's the assistant director http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0789107/, still that scene had pretty awkward dialogue and i'm not sure why it was even there[/sp][/QUOTE] I think it was just to show you visually why it was white on top but was going to kick up red dust when the speeders go over it. Just to explain what you were about to see. Otherwise you might have been like "why is the snow turning red?"

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;52984139]How is it fan service-y? By having era appropriate stuff?[/QUOTE] Have you not seen the end of the movie, ya know guy who hates dirt, red flashlight, spinning...

if fan service is wrong i dont wanna be right within reason, of course i think vader at the end of rogue one is just fine

[QUOTE=Dr. Doughnut;52984135]Can someone explain [sp]why the salt scene was there? Like where the guy goes out, and some guy licks the foot print and goes, "yeah, it's salt." The guy even is named as Matthew Sharp for Lt. "Salty" in the end credits[/sp] EDIT: [sp]Oh wait he's the assistant director http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0789107/, still that scene had pretty awkward dialogue and i'm not sure why it was even there[/sp][/QUOTE] it was a bit hard to notice, but [sp]it was to set up luke being a force projection. if you looked at his feet he wasn't making red footprints.[/sp]

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;52984257]it was a bit hard to notice, but [sp]it was to set up luke being a force projection. if you looked at his feet he wasn't making red footprints.[/sp][/QUOTE] mmm i dont think so. [sp]imo that was more foreshadowed by kylo doing the foot movements and moving the salt, then luke being shown doing the same thing but the salt isnt moving[/sp]

Worst part about the movie is that there's no Kaminoans to be seen. I want my cute giraffe aliens Disney.

can i just say that it's REAL FUCKING STUPID [sp]that leia was able to survive space and use the force to pull herself back to the cruiser? i mean what the fuck.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52984280]I was absolutely [sp]right about phasma being a character completely inconsequential that was only put in the movies so people would know her name and be tempted to buy spinoff material, honestly kinda shit to put whats essentially a fucking advertisement for spinoff material in screen time the audience already paid for.[/sp][/QUOTE] [img]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41Mokzj5AcL._SL500_AC_SS350_.jpg[/img] [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] I mean maybe it's not right but it's something Star Wars has definitely done before

When the [sp]rebel's ship did the hyperspace jump into snoke's ship, a little kid screamed "Allah akbar" before it exploded and totally ruined the moment[/sp] Overall i've enjoyed it, but it had some weird moments and a bit too much comedy in some scenes.

[QUOTE=catbarf;52983522]The difference between Rey and Luke is that Luke spends the entirety of ANH being just a normal kid, with his Force-sensitivity only demonstrated as a parlor trick when he does the training with Obi-Wan. Any time they're fighting Stormtroopers, Luke's on the run. When Vader shows up and kills Obi-Wan, Luke is helpless to do anything about it. He is given an X-Wing for the final assault, but his major accomplishment aside from not immediately dying to Vader (through, really, no act of his own) is pulling off a Force-assisted trick shot that saves the day. For 99% of the film he's just a teenager. Pulling off a superhuman feat guided by the Force is his crowning achievement and symbolic of his evolution as a character. It only occurs in a single instant when the stakes are greatest. In contrast Rey seems to be much more capable of using the Force from the get-go, and ends up beating the main villain one-on-one. She's set up as having Special Powers the instant she first uses the Force, and from that point on only becomes more and more capable. I'm not going to call her a Mary Sue, but her portrayal is not like Luke's at all. She's far more capable from the outset and does things just out of the blue that took Luke multiple films and training from a Jedi Master to accomplish.[/QUOTE] That's because any subtel writing is gone from the moder movies. People wanna see space magic, not finely crafted character development. [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52984242]if fan service is wrong i dont wanna be right within reason, of course i think vader at the end of rogue one is just fine[/QUOTE] I too creamed my pants when I saw [sp]Yoda[/sp] I also immediately bougt the NEW TOY! Only from the DISNEY STORE™!