Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Dr. Doughnut;52984135]Can someone explain [sp]why the salt scene was there? Like where the guy goes out, and some guy licks the foot print and goes, "yeah, it's salt." The guy even is named as Matthew Sharp for Lt. "Salty" in the end credits[/sp] EDIT: [sp]Oh wait he's the assistant director http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0789107/, still that scene had pretty awkward dialogue and i'm not sure why it was even there[/sp][/QUOTE] I have to disagree, I thought the shot [sp]just beforehand of them in the trenches was really, really cool. The guy he says the line to is Gareth Edwards by the way.[/sp]

I definitely will say that god damn can he compose a shot, though oh my god stop putting CG shit everywhere. Like near the end it kinda got absurd with the animals that looked weirdly outdated

I went to watch is yesterday and was annoyed when all the trailers were basically animated movies for children. felt thedistributors were still seeing SW as a kid's product (thankfully[sp]there was no woody woodpecker trailer. I Still can believe such thing is real)[/sp]. However to my surprise and everyone else's, by the time the movie started and the disney logo showed up and some mexican music kicked in we all realised the fucking teather messed up and [I]was playing Coco instead of The last Jedi[/I]. the entire room went bananas and people were rushing outside trying to understand what the fuck had happened. (someone from the staff came around and said it was their fault and they were going to wait until everyone was back in their set and play the damn movie). About the actual movie, I believe the main issue right now with SW movies is that everyone goes in expecting it to be what they want it to be, raising hopes and expectatives out of it only to be disapointed when their desires are not fulfilled. I tried not to do this even though I sure had my own theory/expectatives about the development of Kylo Ren and Rey(or Ray?) in this movie and my own desire to have [sp]the death of the Jedi and Sith legacy be the birth of Force users being able to tap both the dark side and light side of it.[/sp] While Luke [sp]To an extent does this as he admits the Jedi were nothing near the myth built around them, and their ways were far from perfect and free of sin wich was finally acknowledged, even to the point he decided to cross the line for an instant and do what he through was best at least by instinct by trying to prevent kylo ren's birth in the most shameful way posible,[/sp][sp]Snoke was truly the opposite and was a complete joke. he was portrayed as a powerful figure only because the figure of Kylo needed it to validate hyself and feel backed upon, and i'm more than happy Kylo fucking killed him like nothing. It sort of reminded me of how Dooku's death was merely a part in the development of something bigger and even more sinister).[/sp][sp]Snoke is not palpatine, and I'm glad he's not, because he's such an irrelevant figure in this new trilogy and I'm glad they went this way and killed him right away: he's the very embodimient of everything that made the sith in the previous two trilogies fall to their demise: the same arrogance and vanity trope all 80's villians share, to the point he was so busy with a monologue he never saw the light saber cut him in half.[/sp] I'm glad [sp]Kylo is finally not just some shitfit-fueled emo teen dude gone wrong and is now a force to be reckoned with, backed up by his powers and the pure fear monguering he inspires on those around him. He's definitively not darth vader and finally doesnt need to be. There is finally a reason to see him as Evil, and its probably going to make kids and dudes alike buy even more merch of him in the next months. That shirtless scene was pure Twilight-tier fanservice though.[/sp] Ray's character is probably going to need another movie to truly develop. I believe they tried to push her in some direction but ultimately did what was expected out of her and thats fine. [sp]as rusty said thank god she is not Luke's daugther or some shit like that because people would had spent more time shitting on this than on the entire development of the movie itself[/sp] Rose and Finn's arc was rather pointless. Rose specially was forgettable. [sp]I believe they tried their best to make Finn have a role on this but he's still far from being any kind of relevant to the plot, and what could posibly be done out of him that had been built off TFA is now almost as bad as a filler episode from your average anime show. Not just because rose was a meh character and for the most part had no place in the story and somehow pushed Finn's development back, but because when they ultimately had the chance to give her a purpose in the Ram scene, they should had her push Finn's ship aside and have her crash agaisnt the cannon so her message about "protecting those you love" would had an even stronger meaning, BY ACTUALLY PROTECTING THE VERY RESISTANCE AND FINN. instead of just[/sp][sp]It would truly been a more memorable moment, would had given Finn something to truly believe in and would had reedeemed her character beyond her current status as "SURPRISE LOVE INTEREST".[/sp] [sp]Also superman Leia was some top tier bulllshit and I have no idea what the fuck was the point of that.[/sp] Overall the movie was pretty good. Its going to make people Salty as that last planet since its probably not what they were expecting, but thats fandom in a nutshell for you.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;52984332]I don't have a problem with Boba, because he was pretty much just a happy accident for the franchise, who only later became a pointless cash grab when he, his dad and his clone heritage was shoehorned into the prequels due George realizing he could roll in merchandise money if he doubled the fetts.[/QUOTE] Me and my friend both thought [sp]Phasma got enough screentime to feel matched with Boba. Didn’t get the impression she was simply made to be merchandised. The Porgs, if anything, suffered that treatment. Besides, her death was very “Boba”-like as well, so it felt fine[/sp]. [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] Also I see a lot of people shitting on [sp]Leia floating back to the ship after the explosion. Did y’all forget she has the Force? This was explained in the original trilogy. Sure, it was vague, but it was there.[/sp] :v: Also [sp]didnt anyone else catch that the kid at the end force’d the broom into his hand? I haven’t seen anyone mention it.[/sp]

I have no problems with Leia having powers, She's a skywalker after all. It was very clear in TFA she was a user as well, but even then [sp]surviving in the vacuum of space like she was a green lantern or some shit?. What was that? a demostration of the extent of her powers? why would we need or the plot need to see that? we dont see how the fuck phasma recovers but here she is. The whole scene was there to show Kylo hesitated to kill his mother, only to have her die anyway. It was pointless as fuck, and the more you think about it, the more goofy and out of place it gets[/sp]

[QUOTE=postal;52984118]Now I'm really wondering [sp]what the fuck they're gonna do with Leia tho[/sp] o and ofc [sp]holy shit that light-speed kamikaze attack was great[/sp][/QUOTE] They're gonna hire one amazing [sp]voice actor, because CGI can only do so much[/sp].

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;52984513]Me and my friend both thought [sp]Phasma got enough screentime to feel matched with Boba. Didn’t get the impression she was simply made to be merchandised. The Porgs, if anything, suffered that treatment. Besides, her death was very “Boba”-like as well, so it felt fine[/sp]. [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] Also I see a lot of people shitting on [sp]Leia floating back to the ship after the explosion. Did y’all forget she has the Force? This was explained in the original trilogy. Sure, it was vague, but it was there.[/sp] :v: Also [sp]didnt anyone else catch that the kid at the end force’d the broom into his hand? I haven’t seen anyone mention it.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]It was established that she was force sensitive in the originals, but never that she had power on the extent shown. There was literally nothing that indicated she might be able to do that. Had we seen her using the force in small ways before that, then when we actually see her do that, it's an "Ahah!" moment and not a "Huh?" moment. It's something audience can make short leaps to and it doesn't seem entirely like a deus-ex-machina and completely out of the blue. Instead of being something like the pinnacle of an aspect of her character, it comes across as a writer needing a way to save Leia in a way they think will be cool.[/sp]

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52984576]They're gonna hire one amazing [sp]voice actor, because CGI can only do so much[/sp].[/QUOTE] They already confirmed [sp]shortly after Carrie died that they would not replace her with CGI. Which makes me wonder what they're going to do instead, because I can't think of any other way besides a "Leia died on her way back to her home planet." in the opening crawl.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;52984696]They already confirmed [sp]shortly after Carrie died that they would not replace her with CGI. Which makes me wonder what they're going to do instead, because I can't think of any other way besides a "Leia died on her way back to her home planet." in the opening crawl.[/sp][/QUOTE] The best theory I've read is that [sp]they're going to make a big leap in time between TLJ and IX[/sp]

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;52984696]They already confirmed [sp]shortly after Carrie died that they would not replace her with CGI. Which makes me wonder what they're going to do instead, because I can't think of any other way besides a "Leia died on her way back to her home planet." in the opening crawl.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I imagine they might say something akin to Leia going into hiding since she feels she did all she could for the Resistance, that she's tired and with Luke's passing, she'd like to just spend rest of her life somewhere in peace.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;52984612][sp]It was established that she was force sensitive in the originals, but never that she had power on the extent shown. There was literally nothing that indicated she might be able to do that. Had we seen her using the force in small ways before that, then when we actually see her do that, it's an "Ahah!" moment and not a "Huh?" moment. It's something audience can make short leaps to and it doesn't seem entirely like a deus-ex-machina and completely out of the blue. Instead of being something like the pinnacle of an aspect of her character, it comes across as a writer needing a way to save Leia in a way they think will be cool.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]My biggest issue with that moment is how out of left field it is. It reminds me of the old EU, considering how silly it is. Never before has it been stated that Jedi can survive in the vacuum of space. We have never seen any character mention or do what Leia did. To me, the fact that this ability is lacking context is what kills it. Plus, like you said, Leia has never done anything like this before. [/sp] Since everyone is giving their full feelings on LJ, I’ll follow suit later.

[sp]Leia surviving would have been either fine or at least much better if it was like, Leia is getting sucked out and uses the Force to pull herself back in immediately in a matter of seconds, instead of floating in space for like a minute and then very slowly pulling herself back in.[/sp]

[QUOTE=halfer;52984715]The best theory I've read is that [sp]they're going to make a big leap in time between TLJ and IX[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Which fits with how the stable kids at the end were play acting out Luke's last stand on Crait. Must have taken some time for the story to reach Canto Bight.[/sp]

Adam Driver is killing it in TLJ though. He was so awesome.

I really enjoyed it with the exception of the [sp]Leia scene. I actually enjoyed Finn and Rose's adventure and honestly thought they were going to bring pod racing back until I saw the animals. I was fine with they're adventure because it played into Ooe thinking he was going to be a big hero just like them instead they both messed everything up and made everything worse. The only bad part about this stuff is that it definitely could have been avoided if purple hair lady just explained what was going on[/sp]

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;52984761]and honestly thought they were going to bring pod racing back until I saw the animals.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I had read the leaks (early leaks from filming) and knew about the animals, but in the moment I had actually forgotten about them and though the same as you[/sp]

[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;52984444]i think both are plausible, plus [sp]i didnt really notice but kylo and luke never touched swords either. which was neat[/sp][/QUOTE] And [sp]Luke was holding the lightsaber we just saw being destroyed. [/sp]

My thoughts of this movie: god damnit disney. Also [sp] light sabers should be treated as guns and not casually left lying around, who cares who snoke is now that he ded, if you die in the force matrix you die in real life, kylo ren is a terrible leader, introducing apple force-time!, rey youre using the wrong camera!, kylo is a troll, yoda can eat a bag of dicks, yey puppet yoda!, luke is such a badass, luke is such a dick, new anthropormorphic atats[/sp]

[QUOTE=Sableye;52984809]My thoughts of this movie: god damnit disney. Also [sp] light sabers should be treated as guns and not casually left lying around, who cares who snoke is now that he ded, if you die in the force matrix you die in real life, kylo ren is a terrible leader, introducing apple force-time!, rey youre using the wrong camera!, kylo is a troll, yoda can eat a bag of dicks, yey puppet yoda!, luke is such a badass, luke is such a dick, new anthropormorphic atats[/sp][/QUOTE] what the hell are you even saying for like 75% of this post

On the topic of Leia [sp]she using the Force is completely fine for me. What's off about it is how the hell did she survived from the vaccum of space? She was there for like a minute or two, enough to make you sleep forever[/sp]

[QUOTE=KnightRider25;52984874]On the topic of Leia [sp]she using the Force is completely fine for me. What's off about it is how the hell did she survived from the vaccum of space? She was there for like a minute or two, enough to make you sleep forever[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The Force works in mysterious ways[/sp]

[QUOTE=damnatus;52980262]I know it's star wars but [sp]at the start why the fuck did that girl not die when bombing bay was open? y know vacuum and shit, they usually have forcefields if they need a divider[/sp][/QUOTE] Anyone?

[QUOTE=damnatus;52984945]Anyone?[/QUOTE] [sp]Force fields in Star Wars are not visible, there probably could have been one[/sp] [sp]My favourite TLJ image on the web right now https://i.imgur.com/XqfjNk8.png[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52984948][sp]Force fields in Star Wars are not visible, there probably could have been one[/sp] [/QUOTE] Huh? Both in the prequels and OT they had the blue tint

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52984948][sp]My favourite TLJ image on the web right now https://i.imgur.com/XqfjNk8.png[/sp][/QUOTE] I don't understand this argument, so I'm just gonna quote myself. [QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52976322][sp]The biggest offender here is Snoke. From what we know of him, he's just a random villain guy, he doesn't fit in the overall story. He's missing context. Basically it feels like this whole story is missing a prequel movie to make him actually fearsome. Something as basic as a flashback of an exploratory empire group going to the outer rim to search for stuff and being turned buy this mysterious figure would have gave him something before his death[/sp][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52979395][sp] I don't think people are mad about snoke's death, they are mad that he died before we know who the fuck he is and what is powers are. I genuinely couldn't care less because he didn't felt like a threat. [/sp][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52979459][sp]The emperor felt powerful because Vador was shown as a very powerful and fearsome character. What we knew of the emperor was that he made Vador, so he had to be more powerful. That's all we needed really. We also didn't know anything else beside that movie and a new hope. Snoke trained an emotional wreck of a manchild, that nobody threat seriously. Kylo is powerful yes, but until that movie he was stupid powerful, not a leader like Vador. By comparing the apprentices, both masters aren't at the same level. Now I don't need a 30min flashback of Snoke taking over the first order, but I needed the movie to show me SOMETHING about Snoke powers. And I said show, because we are told, or it is implied a lot, that Snoke is indeed powerful. But it's never shown. As a standalone movie, yeah, that might have worked. But in the grand scheme of the Star Wars cinematic universe, it doesn't. We've already seen mysterious characters like him, we know he's bound to die. We need a bit more to make it feel like a victory. In the sequel trilogy, it feels like EVERYBODY know who Snoke is, how powerful he is, that he's someone to fear a great deal. Why is that never shown to the audience? All it takes is a 3min flashback, probably as long as porgs have been on screen.[/sp][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52982721]Snoke [sp] works in the context of the movie, but doesn't in the context of the 3 trilogies. The emperor felt powerful because he trained Vador, who is shown as being an imposing fearful figure, making Sheev by extension more powerful. Snoke's only accomplishement is training a manchild prone to temper tantrum and meldowns, who got beaten by an untrained jedi[/sp][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52983834][sp] what gets me with snoke is that leia luke, everybody seems to know snoke, like if he was a weird uncle. But the audience doesn't know about him. [/sp][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=damnatus;52984955]Huh? Both in the prequels and OT they had the blue tint[/QUOTE] Don't recall any blue tint on the Star Destroyer or Death Star hangars [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52984960]I don't understand this argument, so I'm just gonna quote myself.[/QUOTE] [sp]Forcing the connection between Kylo and Rey showed his power, remember Kylo said it would kill Rey if she was the one doing it. He's also thrown people around through holograms like Vader. Also it's Vader not 'Vador'[/sp]

[QUOTE=damnatus;52984955]Huh? Both in the prequels and OT they had the blue tint[/QUOTE] Shields are one of those little visual details that aren't 100% consistent throughout the series. The only time I can remember shields being actually visible onscreen was in TPM.

[QUOTE=Blueleaf;52984967]Shields are one of those little visual details that aren't 100% consistent throughout the series. The only time I can remember shields being actually visible onscreen was in TPM.[/QUOTE] [sp]I think TLJ was the first time outside of Episode 1 where we saw shield impacts on a Starship[/sp]

ACTUALLY you're right, only the prequels had the prominent blue tint, so I guess that solves it

Just saw this earlier with family, came in expecting some weirdness and 'prequel-quality' issues from what I heard from around the net, ended up liking it a whole lot. I really don't know how people can consider this worse than the prequels, and the aversions and twists they did actually were all pretty nice and I liked all of the new characters introduced. Rose is a cute and fun character to watch along with Finn and DJ really did a good job at subverting expectations of a 'lovable rogue space criminal'. It was a whole lot of fun, felt like a good mixture of original-trilogy-pacing and its own unique takes and modern flairs. No one really felt like they took the spotlight too much and there wasn't a dull moment. My only real complaints were how underutilized certain characters were like Phasma and Snoke, [sp]although Snoke getting killed off unceremoniously was actually a super neat surprise. I never really felt the need to understand his character more too, there was a lot of establishing moments on what kind of person he was. My only real curiosity was the fact what was he up to during the earlier periods of the series, and even then it didn't really felt too essential to the current conflict. The whole Rey and Kylo dynamics and 'greyness' hinted at both Jedi and Sith too was something I'd never expect to be poked around in a mainline Star Wars film and it really felt like a nice plot point throughout the film.[/sp] The only scene that really felt silly was [sp]Leia space floaty[/sp] and even then, it didn't really detract much from the movie, it was over quick and quickly accepted it as just another Star Wars space magic thing. Plus on the flipside, that scene of [sp]the ship going through the dreadnought, no sounds and music and all, was just really fantastic. Even saw some audible gasps from the audience at the cinemas.[/sp] Overall really great movie, definitely not perfect but I really felt like the issues cited by a lot of people were overblown. Just another fun Star Wars space fantasy adventure with a few new interesting things to keep things fresh.