Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52984962]Don't recall any blue tint on the Star Destroyer or Death Star hangars [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] [sp]Forcing the connection between Kylo and Rey showed his power, remember Kylo said it would kill Rey if she was the one doing it. He's also thrown people around through holograms like Vader. Also it's Vader not 'Vador'[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]But it's shown like right before his death, you don't really have the time to process it. And still it's not enough to convince me, since they're still linked after his death. Also, it's Vador in french, since I watched the OT in french a lot when I was a kid, sometime I get confused [/sp]

I saw it last night, I've had time to sleep on it. [sp]Luke was overall great. His lessons I felt were very deep about the force and what the jedi meant. I'm ultimately satisfied with how his arc ended, however I'm disappointed that I didn't get one scene of Luke utterly wrecking someone, and it felt teased several times. If Luke doesn't come back as a force ghost I will be extremely disappointed.[/sp] [sp]Deus ex machina was happening pretty hard with BB8, it got old the first time.[/sp] [sp]There were several opportunities where Carrie Fisher's death could've been handled gracefully, IDK why they didn't take them. Leia space scene was bullshit.[/sp] [sp]Canto Bight wasn't particularly interesting. They try to make the point that it's all funded by arms dealers who sell to the FO and the resistance, but this point is briefly made. I think the point is good, but could've been done in a more interesting way.[/sp] [sp]Battle of Crait was weird, I'm not sure if it was trying to be the battle of Hoth or battle of Yavin. It pulls from both, so nothing feels particularly unique here. Walkers and another super weapon (they even say mini death star tech) about to blow up the rebel base. The falcon comes in and saves the main character, they even use the music from the death star trench run when for the falcon's scene. [/sp] [sp]Porgs are dumb, they are never even named in the film. The scene with Chewie eating the Porg was funny, but felt like it belonged in a disney movie (oh wait...), it seemed very out of place for a SW movie. If they had served something to the plot, like maybe infesting the falcon and ruining shit, that could've been interesting.[/sp] [sp]Phasma had so little time this film. Served no purpose. She's even less interesting here than in TFA. Weren't we told a long time ago she'd have a much bigger role this film? Canto Bight could've been interesting if Phasma was hunting Finn.[/sp] [sp]Kylo/Rey dialogue was super cool. In previous films (or any), we don't get to see the hero and villain talk. Having Kylo and Rey be able to talk to each makes their relationship very compelling, especially as they're the last of the jedi/sith (and the film on several occasions says to let the past go, so that's going out the window)[/sp] [sp]On the whole, the film has the motif of letting the past go. Luke talks about it, Kylo talks about it, Holdo taking over when Leia is gone, Leia deferring to Poe on Crait, Yoda destroys the tree, Luke dying. It feels very meta or fourth wall breaking, like Disney is telling us the audience, to let go of the old characters and ideas, and hand the reins over to a new generation. I would say that's the whole point of the ending with the kids. They remember the legends, but they're the next generation.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52984948][sp]My favourite TLJ image on the web right now https://i.imgur.com/XqfjNk8.png[/sp][/QUOTE] Ehhhh the smaller text in that picture is beside the point. [sp]In the original trilogy there's no question of where Sheev came from because nothing preceded those films. Snoke could have done with backstory because it's still a total mystery how this powerful force user came out of the blue and usurped the Empire's remnants. I'm fine with him dying, but it would have carried more weight if we knew who he was.[/sp]

[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;52984990][sp]since they're still linked after his death. [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]They're on the same planet, not half a galaxy away at that point. Since Kylo knows about the power he can probably do it himself[/sp]

[QUOTE=KnightRider25;52984874]On the topic of Leia [sp]she using the Force is completely fine for me. What's off about it is how the hell did she survived from the vaccum of space? She was there for like a minute or two, enough to make you sleep forever[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp] she was out there for a lot longer than a minute.[/sp] Also [Sp] they sort of showed the dumb side of scifi in that, one heavy corvette at light speed was effectively able to destroy a super dreadnaut sort of ship. Really they could have just pointed a ship at the death star's hole and jumped it into light speed and carved a hole straight through its reactor, or built a torpedo that could have done that, or used any one of their fighters which all have light speed drives in them Star wars continually likes to make conflicting statements like "thats too small to have a cloaking device!" But small and stealth do go together pretty well. Or all the innumerable issues with the empire's weapon systems. Frankly they could have just jumped one or two ships ahead of the corvette then driven them back or force them to waste fuel but instead they wasted an entire day just to let them burn themselves out. [/sp] [Sp] overall the whole thing with them hanging on by a thread made absolutely no sense, and was super contrived. The first order had litterally a day to kill them but instead they just let their crusers do a little light pounding to remind them they were there. Snokes ship was shown to have had enourmous overwelming firepower in both armaments and fighters, but they pulled all that back for...reasons....[/sp]

[QUOTE=Sableye;52985086] [Sp] they sort of showed the dumb side of scifi in that, one heavy corvette at light speed was effectively able to destroy a super dreadnaut sort of ship. Really they could have just pointed a ship at the death star's hole and jumped it into light speed and carved a hole straight through its reactor, or built a torpedo that could have done that, or used any one of their fighters which all have light speed drives in them [/Sp][/QUOTE] [sp]It would be a waste of a ship and the death star has a lot larger mass[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52985095][sp]It would be a waste of a ship and the death star has a lot larger mass[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp] at lightspeed one has infinate mass and infinate energy, not that star wars doesnt show them breaking physics but still, glaring plot holes. Hell they lost dozens of heavy corvettes each time just fighting to blow up the death star, death star 2, and death planet[/sp]

[QUOTE=Sableye;52985102][Sp] at lightspeed one has infinate mass and infinate energy, not that star wars doesnt show them breaking physics but still, glaring plot holes. Hell they lost dozens of heavy corvettes each time just fighting to blow up the death star, death star 2, and death planet[/Sp][/QUOTE] [sp]They call it lightspeed in the movies but they're not actually travelling at lightspeed[/sp] [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] [sp]So the dice in the falcon in ANH and TFA were normal dice with dots, but the dice in TLJ had symbols on them.[/sp]

I feel like, even though I understand some of the criticisms of this movie, I feel like the reverse of The Force Awakens is going to happen here, whereas with that one people loved it at first and grew to hate it, people are going to hate this at first and grow to love it.

[sp]Apparently in Rogue One, when Jyn is reading off the data in the tower, she mentions 'hyperspace tracking'. I wonder if that was on purpose an Easter egg you'd only get after seeing TLJ. The movie had already been written[/sp]

I’ll be fair in saying oh my god you didn’t need to make it the longest Star Wars film

People keep saying it felt long but I dunno, it flew by for me I didn't even realize it was 2 and a half hours until i checked after the movie was over

yeah people say it dragged but it never did for me. Even during the casino parts. They didn't 100% grab me, but they didn't drag for me either.

[QUOTE=Killuah;52984436]That's because any subtel writing is gone from the moder movies. People wanna see space magic, not finely crafted character development. [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] I too creamed my pants when I saw [sp]Yoda[/sp] I also immediately bougt the NEW TOY! Only from the DISNEY STORE™![/QUOTE] The original Star Wars films aren't meccas of good writing and amazing character development. They're pretty basic movies that brought good science-fantasy to the table in the form of a trilogy. You cant really complain that the new movies don't have fantastic writing when the originals didn't. And [sp]Yoda wasn't there as some fan-servicey 5 second appearance to drive nostalgia. He actually had a purpose being there and drove the plot [/sp] Its like we're at the point where bringing back old characters is considered "fan service" even if they're plot relevant.

Went to see the movie earlier, and i really don't know what to think. I don't think it's a [I]bad[/I] movie - it's well made, it looks great, the acting is great, there are some [I]awesome [/I] moments...but overall, i think it might be one of my least favourite star wars movies. I'd rank it as low as some of the prequels, even - again, not because it's outright bad, but because what it is doesn't feel right at all at certain times, and they're such important, critical parts of the movie and Star Wars overall, that it brings it down far more than say, the terrible acting of the prequels, i think. With the prequels, they're not that great because of a mix of poor quality and overused CGI and just mediocre acting, but they're at least consistent with their portral of the Star Wars universe and bought plenty of new, interesting elements that made up for those negatives. The Last Jedi though felt like it overall adds very little of interest, and the few moments that are the movie going out of its way to do something different, feel like they're shoved in for the sake of it rather than any actual need or thought put into them. By that i mean: [sp]Snoke has been killed off already, resulting in an extremely underused character that felt like they were trying too hard to force him to be interesting when they didn't actually know what they were doing. There's still no explanation about who he is, where he came from, where he was in the previous 6 movies, what his goal is, why there's an [I]extremely[/I] powerful force user no one has heard of, or anything else relating to his backstory. The way he was portrayed in the movie was him basically just going "I'm the best, i can't loose!" and then he dies because of that. With the Emperor there was enough evil personality to him that his actual backstory felt unnesseary - he was an evil guy who ruled the galaxy, that was all you really needed to know - but with Snoke it feels like the questions about him overshadow it all, and now he's gone. Phasma was a problem in the previous movie because she had very little relevance to the plot overall and felt like she wasn't used very well, so in this movie she appears for a short while, has a small fight scene and is then killed, seemingly. Again, she was underused and felt like it served no need, nor was there any attempt to add to her as a character. The Yoda scene was great (although i think a force-ghost Obi-wan would have been awesome as well), but the whole thing about Force Ghosts now being able to control the weather and phyiscally interact with things was a bit too far-fetched. Leia using the force to push herself back into the ship about a minute after she should have died felt so random and shoved in. Yes, she had a small amount of force sensitivity in the original and previous movie, but we hadn't seen her perform anything to that extent before (or at all), so it came across as there just for the sake of it, taking away from the overall tone of that scene. The Porgs. They're cute, i like their design, but they appeared a few too many times and it just got to the point where they overstayed their welcome. The whole ability to connect directly to someone like a skype-call through the force seemed so out of place with the portrayal of the force and force powers in all the previous films. It didn't feel like it had any real place considering what we've seen before and was just suddenly made up without any consideration to how it fits in overall - Snoke was the one causing it, but we don't even see extremely powerful Jedi able to do something like that in the other movies. Similar problem with Luke at the end, being able to just project himself anywhere in the galaxy in a life-like form and maintain it for quite a while. It made for an awesome moment, but him just dying anyway sort of felt like it took away from it all - if he was actually there and made an obi-wan like sacrifice that would have been one thing, but for him to just suddenly die felt like it was there just for the sake of having it there. Maz for some reason is jumping around with a jetpack and blaster[/sp] Overall it feels like it just trys to throw too many out-of-place or 'big' moments in without really thinking about if they're a good idea, it was more like they were just there because they could be. [sp] Snoke is dead, Luke is dead, Phasma is dead, Snoke's ship is gone when it did nothing (but it was a badass moment seeing the hyperspace jump into it), the resistance (now the Rebellion again, for some reason) is pretty much gone, Rei's parents are apparently no one important so that whole mystery is pointless if that's true [/sp] ...all those moments just felt so unnecessary and like they could have done so much more with them. There are a few things i wish had happened different: [sp] The Knights of Ren weren't seen at all or even mentioned. Would have also been interesting to see more of what happened with them/Kylo at Luke's training place. Fin should have successfully carried out that take on the mini-death star cannon, it would have made for a very emotional, impactful moment that had real weight behind it rather than it ending up being a pointless failed attack but then they find a way out anyway. I sort expected Luke to answer the distress call in his X-wing after raising it from the ocean, alongside other allies like Lando suddenly coming to help with a large band of ships from all over the galaxy This is totally out-there but i considering this film establishes that Force-ghosts can now manifest force powers and interact with the Physical world, a force-ghost Jedi order group including Obi-wan, Vader etc rescuing them at the end would have been kinda awesome to see.[/sp] To me it's somehow better and as bad as the prequels at once.

Some nice (spoiler filled) criticism on the movie [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/7kbrob/the_last_jedi_opening_weekend_day_3_megathread/drd55b6/[/URL]

[QUOTE=nightlord;52985291] [sp]Similar problem with Luke at the end, being able to just project himself anywhere in the galaxy in a life-like form and maintain it for quite a while. It made for an awesome moment, but him just dying anyway sort of felt like it took away from it all - if he was actually there and made an obi-wan like sacrifice that would have been one thing, but for him to just suddenly die felt like it was there just for the sake of having it there. [/sp] [/QUOTE] [sp]It's literally what killed him though. He mentions earleir on about how the effort for that would kill someone (during the rey/kylo stuff), and in the end he decides to reconnect with the force and sacrifice himself for the resistence. it was good ending for luke[/sp]

[QUOTE=bdd458;52985304][sp]It's literally what killed him though. He mentions earleir on about how the effort for that would kill someone (during the rey/kylo stuff), and in the end he decides to reconnect with the force and sacrifice himself for the resistence. it was good ending for luke[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Wasn't it Kylo that says it would kill?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52985308][sp]Wasn't it Kylo that says it would kill?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I thought it was luke that said that[/sp]

I don't know if it was just something i got wrong, but at the beginning of the movie [sp] did Poe somehow conveniently ignore that space flight in Star Wars is supposed to have a "WW2-dogfight Physics in space" approach that doesn't really allow things like 180 degree on-the-spot turns? Or have there been other examples of that in the movies that i just forgot about?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52985259]The original Star Wars films aren't meccas of good writing and amazing character development. They're pretty basic movies that brought good science-fantasy to the table in the form of a trilogy. You cant really complain that the new movies don't have fantastic writing when the originals didn't. And [sp]Yoda wasn't there as some fan-servicey 5 second appearance to drive nostalgia. He actually had a purpose being there and drove the plot [/sp] Its like we're at the point where bringing back old characters is considered "fan service" even if they're plot relevant.[/QUOTE] or where introducing anything new is simply to sell toys.

My initial reactions were negative but after waiting a couple days and reading this thread and online discussions, I feel like it was better than I thought. Not as enjoyable as TFA, but not bad by any stretch. I feel like the tone shifted too often and too rapidly, there were some noticeable plot holes ([sp]namely everything about the Holdo/Poe subplot[/sp]), and I can't see what the [sp]Finn/Rose/Benecio del Toro subplot added to the film[/sp] but I can't really agree with all the people who wanted all of their TFA questions answered and backstory filled out. We didn't get that in the original Star Wars films and it didn't take anything away from them, and I can't say I care particularly much about who Snoke is or how the First Order came about after the original Empire was defeated. I think the decision to make [sp]Rey's parents nobodies (allegedly)[/sp] is actually brilliant. I'm probably going to go see it again after reading so many perspectives online and seeing how I enjoy it.

Not sure why people keep saying [sp]Luke is dead. He became one with the Force. Just as Kenobi and Yoda did. He will return. Maybe not in the physical form we are use to, but he's not gone forever.[/sp]

My only issue with the movie is that it largely didn't have a lot happening in it. [Sp]Like with the rebel "fleet" being chased arbitrarily for 2/3 of the movie and they end up at a planet they could have just jumped directly too in the first place. Then the first order just inconsequentially chasing said fleet, instead of jumping ahead to cut it off or doing anything aside from just trailing behind them. It, along with the casino plot, just seemed dumb to be in a Star Wars movie. But I loved everything with Rey and Luke.[/sp] Overall I liked the movie and thought it was better than TFA. The fun and excitement in TLJ feels less manufactured than it did in TFA.

I hope my application to the CIA is approved so I can view all these classified posts. Most likely Wednesday.

[sp]Tbh while I'd like to have known a bit more about Snoke's background I'm kinda glad he's dead now. Supreme Leader Kylo is a lot more interesting a direction to go.[/sp]

I hope the First Order [sp]just starts crumbling around the petulant child. It's very clear to me he isn't leader material, he's only really maintaing his control through aggressive use of his force powers[/sp]

[QUOTE=damnatus;52980262]I know it's star wars but [sp]at the start why the fuck did that girl not die when bombing bay was open? y know vacuum and shit, they usually have forcefields if they need a divider[/sp][/QUOTE] how about when [sp]leia force flew into a gaping, blown up room, and someone on the other end just opened a door and let her in did the exploded room have a space forcefield? do i just not get how this works?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52985372][Sp]Like with the rebel "fleet" being chased arbitrarily for 2/3 of the movie and they end up at a planet they could have just jumped directly too in the first place. Then the first order just inconsequentially chasing said fleet, instead of jumping ahead to cut it off or doing anything aside from just trailing behind them.[/sp][/QUOTE]i thought [sp]they explicitly couldn't just jump straight there because of the FO's hyperspace tracking, which would've led the bad guys straight to the new hideout, and that's why they tried to do the "cloaked transports" gambit, which then also failed because thanks to the codebreaker the FO knew about the stealth tech too, so the Crait last stand happened anyway.[/sp]

What if [sp]Snoke isn't dead and that was a projection? We know force projections can be solid (the dice) and Luke changed his appearance. Nah that would be dumb[/sp]