Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52985635]the dumbest part of that planet was [sp]their comments after the animal chase. "we've done minor damage to an insanely rich city that'll be fixed in a day. it was worth it!" "no, we got a few rat horses just outside city bounds in a small field next to a cliff and they'll be scooped back up immediately. NOW it was worth it!" what the fuck are you idiots talking about? it was just cringe ass dialouge[/sp][/QUOTE] No it wasn't IMO. Seems fine.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52985473]It was pretty slapstick but that didn't spoil the tone at critical moments. It was good [sp]Although luke's death felt utterly pointless. The force projection trick was a cool way to avoid having to kill him and then he just died anyway. :downs:[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp] the only thing i can think of there is that luke accidentally ascended or something, he was pretty damn sure he was gonna be around, specifically taunting kylo. I mean if we are gonna get pedantic, that single light saber slice was nothing to the massive fucking artillery barrage he just stood there for [/sp]

[QUOTE=Sableye;52985654][Sp] the only thing i can think of there is that luke accidentally ascended or something, he was pretty damn sure he was gonna be around, specifically taunting kylo. I mean if we are gonna get pedantic, that single light saber slice was nothing to the massive fucking artillery barrage he just stood there for [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]the effort from the projection is what killed him. he stated earlier on that doing something like that is deadly[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52985105][sp]They call it lightspeed in the movies but they're not actually travelling at lightspeed[/sp] [editline]17th December 2017[/editline] [sp]So the dice in the falcon in ANH and TFA were normal dice with dots, but the dice in TLJ had symbols on them.[/sp][/QUOTE] No they're obviously traveling faster than light, but even back to the first movie han was quite concerned about flying into an asteroid at lightspeed

[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;52985628]I quite liked the movie but [sp]the dice[/sp] felt out of place and were probably just there for [sp]a link to the Han Solo movie, I'd be surprised if they didn't show up there[/sp][/QUOTE] shit I didn't even think about that, but yeah that's so totally what's gonna happen. Just like how that other person mentioned that Rouge One apparently set up the [sp]Light speed tracking or whatever[/sp]. Still tho it would've been nice to have had that extra context about the dice BEFORE i watched the movie lol.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52985654][Sp] the only thing i can think of there is that luke accidentally ascended or something, he was pretty damn sure he was gonna be around, specifically taunting kylo. I mean if we are gonna get pedantic, that single light saber slice was nothing to the massive fucking artillery barrage he just stood there for [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]But he IS gonna be around. He's become one with the Force, explicitly the same way as Kenobi and Yoda before him - and he went out inspiring the next generation of heroes, to boot, much like they did.[/sp]

also [sp]why did they just HAPPEN to be right next to an old planet with an abandoned base after their first hyperspeed? their only hope of survival hinged on it and it was just... there. and even if tfo aren't tracking your little ships... they're within visible range. you could just see them out the window if anybody was looking out. and if you either blew up their ship, or boarded it once the fields went down, you'd see that there was either no corpses or nobody inside, and you'd be like 'i guess they escaped, they can't have gone far, they're probably on that planet, right fucking there.' even if you blew it up and didn't check out the wreckage, anyone competant would have checked out the adjacent planet on the off chance anyone escaped. like good plan guys. idk why people are defending this bad writing. every piece of plot tension was just shifting the goal posts we have to escape oh it didnt work we have to get the master code breaker to get onto the capitol ship actually this guy will do we have to escape in small ships that they cant track oh actually they can the big ship has to pretend to escape oh actually it doesnt oh finn got captured anyway we have to buy time to wait for reinforcements actually we dont we have to destroy the cannon oh actually we dont i have to mutiny actually no i dont the whole plot was such a mess. nothing EVER followed through, it's lazy. instead of resolving any plot points, it's just like 'oops didn't work, moving on!' for the entire film, like no character ever thought anything through. there were very little payoffs and everything felt pointless. the constant subversion of expectations just left the movie hollow and pointless, devoid of any good character decisions, and logic[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52985467][sp]the dice itself was an unnecessary callback to a minor, minor, minor prop from the first film that nobody had ever given thought or considered important, but they made it this powerful commemorative token of han now. some thing that nobody cared about before.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Sometimes when someone close to you dies, little insignificant things become a lot more sentimental. Around 5 years ago, I got $100 at Christmas from by grandpa, who sent it in a box weighed down with random crap to surprise me. Among the things he used was a cheap watch, which I put into my nightstand just in case. Later, I needed a watch, so I pulled that one out, replaced the strap, and started wearing it regularly. I was wearing it back in March when my grandpa suddenly died, he was one of my few relatives that I had a close relationship with. I couldn't attend his funeral because he was across the country and I couldn't afford a plane ticket. Anyway, a few months later, my watch was completely thrashed from use and I had to buy a new one. I put it back in my nightstand, where it will probably stay for a very long time. I can't bring myself to throw that watch away.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;52985752][sp]Sometimes when someone close to you dies, little insignificant things become a lot more sentimental. Around 5 years ago, I got $100 at Christmas from by grandpa, who sent it in a box weighed down with random crap to surprise me. Among the things he used was a cheap watch, which I put into my nightstand just in case. Later, I needed a watch, so I pulled that one out, replaced the strap, and started wearing it regularly. I was wearing it back in March when my grandpa suddenly died, he was one of my few relatives that I had a close relationship with. I couldn't attend his funeral because he was across the country and I couldn't afford a plane ticket. Anyway, a few months later, my watch was completely thrashed from use and I had to buy a new one. I put it back in my nightstand, where it will probably stay for a very long time. I can't bring myself to throw that watch away.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]sure, but this wasn't even real dude. it disappeared immediately, which would be kind of a kick in the dick. imagine someone gave you that watch and the next day it turned to sand. there was just no reason for a force projection of it either way, not to mention it's ridiculous he kept it there while doing something so difficult it basically killed him[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52985733]also [sp]why did they just HAPPEN to be right next to an old planet with an abandoned base after their first hyperspeed? their only hope of survival hinged on it and it was just... there. and even if tfo aren't tracking your little ships... they're within visible range. you could just see them out the window if anybody was looking out. and if you either blew up their ship, or boarded it once the fields went down, you'd see that there was either no corpses or nobody inside, and you'd be like 'i guess they escaped, they can't have gone far, they're probably on that planet, right fucking there.' even if you blew it up and didn't check out the wreckage, anyone competant would have checked out the adjacent planet on the off chance anyone escaped. like good plan guys. idk why people are defending this bad writing.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Because it isn't bad writing, and all of it is explained in the film[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52985764][sp]Because it isn't bad writing, and all of it is explained in the film[/sp][/QUOTE] lets pretend most of it is (it isn't), the explanations are poor and it's all just very lazy, all the explanations exist to just handwave the reasons for bizarre 'twists' away.

I think [sp]Phasma did survive I mean you have this huge ship I'm sure she conveniently fell to another hangar bay and was able to grab a ship out.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52985777]lets pretend most of it is (it isn't), the explanations are poor and it's all just very lazy, all the explanations exist to just handwave the reasons for bizarre 'twists' away.[/QUOTE] They are explained. Not sure how you missed it.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52985733]also [sp]why did they just HAPPEN to be right next to an old planet with an abandoned base after their first hyperspeed? their only hope of survival hinged on it and it was just... there.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I was under the impression jumping to Crait was their plan in the first place - that they'd hide out on the planet out of sight whilst sending out a distress signal to their Outer Rim allies to come and assist them. As for why they didn't drop right over the planet immediately and had to go through sublight to reach it, I'm assuming either they didn't have enough fuel saved to be able to hyperspace out that far or the nature of hyperspace lanes meant that they outright couldn't jump straight to it.[/sp] [QUOTE=Rusty100;52985733][sp]and even if tfo aren't tracking your little ships... they're within visible range. you could just see them out the window if anybody was looking out.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Holdo's whole plan was that the lifeboats would would be cloaked from sensor view, and they'd sneak away whilst the First Order went for the capital ships. Hux and co would be too focused on taking down the big obvious targets, and given the distance between the Supremacy and the Resistance fleet I can buy the idea of them not being able to just see some tiny ships slipping away towards Crait.[/sp] [QUOTE=Rusty100;52985733][sp]and if you either blew up their ship, or boarded it once the fields went down, you'd see that there was either no corpses or nobody inside, and you'd be like 'i guess they escaped, they can't have gone far, they're probably on that planet, right fucking there.' even if you blew it up and didn't check out the wreckage, anyone competant would have checked out the adjacent planet on the off chance anyone escaped. like good plan guys.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]See above. The First Order would have missed their lifeboats escaping, wiped out their capital ships, assumed the Resistance went down with them and been too overconfident in their success to look any further. Of course thanks to Poe the whole plan goes tits up, DJ leaks this information to the First Order, their lifeboats get sniped by the Supremacy and Holdo has to go kamikaze on the fleet to save their asses.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Fort83;52985861][sp]No, their plan was to jump away from that battle from the start of the film. The FO tracked them in light speed and the resistance didn't have enough fuel to risk another jump since the FO would just track them again and then they'd have no fuel. So they floated along just out of reach before they conveniently passed by Crait when they were just about to run out of fuel.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]it wasn’t convenient, Leia and Holdo knew crait was there[/sp]

As long as it doesn't have the terrible, break-neck pacing of TFA, or the annoying fast and poorly delivered dialogue, and they actually take a second to give Rey some character development beyond "she's poor and oh look she also uses the force, fuck it who cares just give her a light saber already" it can't be too bad. TFA was good in every way except Rey, the dialogue and pacing and the fact that it drew too much from ANH. TFA just needed to [I]slow the fuck down[/I] for the most part. It was so fast paced it killed any kind of emotional involvement besides some scenes towards the end, and it felt like it ditched character development in order to get straight to the battle scenes. The dialogue really suffered from this. Most of the dialogue was just- ugh, bad. Not prequels bad by a long shot but still bad. Most of the scenes with Han Solo just made me roll my eyes. It wasn't really a bad movie, though.

[QUOTE=Fort83;52985905]Is that why [sp] when Poe asked Holdo what the plan was she didn't have one, because she knew crait was there and was just keeping that important piece of information to herself because reasons? What possible benefit would there be for her to not tell Poe about crait right from the start?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I'd argue that its because, as both Leia and Admiral Hodor point out, Poe is a reckless jackass who thinks in blaster shots and explosions and not anything beyond that. She didn't want to tell Poe because Poe would have just overreacted like he did anyway and fucked everything up. Because what did he do when told? Started a damned mutiny. Poe didn't need to know, Poe needed to fuck off and sit in his bunk jerking off until told to evacuate.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Fort83;52985905]Is that why [sp] when Poe asked Holdo what the plan was she didn't have one, because she knew crait was there and was just keeping that important piece of information to herself because reasons? What possible benefit would there be for her to not tell Poe about crait right from the start?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Poe didn't get told the plan because he'd already disobeyed orders and gotten their entire bomber wing killed over D'Qar. He fucked up because he refused to listen to Leia before, and they couldn't completely trust him after that stunt. Plus Rose mentioned people were trying to desert earlier during her introduction. I can buy them wanting to avoid telling too many people about their secret plan when there are crewmembers actively trying to jump ship at the time.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Blueleaf;52985921][sp]Poe didn't get told the plan because he'd already disobeyed orders and gotten their entire bomber wing killed over D'Qar. He fucked up because he refused to listen to Leia before, and they couldn't completely trust him after that stunt. Plus Rose mentioned people were trying to desert earlier during her introduction. I can buy them wanting to avoid telling too many people about their secret plan when there are crewmembers actively trying to jump ship at the time.[/sp][/QUOTE] One tiny issue though[sp] she says something like "i always intended to get the light as far away as possible" which is the glowing charm on leia's wrist, the one that falls off and fin runs around with for a while without anyone really tracking it down, the one that only returned to poe when fin gave it back to him, and then ended up back in leia's grasp. She uh didnt seem that concerned with it to be honest even though that was apparently like 1/2 of the reason for her plan [/sp]

[QUOTE=Fort83;52985822][sp] Only for her to show up in the 9th movie, once again giving her character no context or reason for her to even be in the movie, and die just as quickly as she appeared.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I don't think she's ever going to get properly developed within the constraints of a movie. Better to just leave her and let other material redeem her existence.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Joazzz;52985424]i thought [sp]they explicitly couldn't just jump straight there because of the FO's hyperspace tracking, which would've led the bad guys straight to the new hideout, and that's why they tried to do the "cloaked transports" gambit, which then also failed because thanks to the codebreaker the FO knew about the stealth tech too, so the Crait last stand happened anyway.[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp]Why not jump directly there in the first place? They had no indication of light-speed-tracking prior to that point, so why make a jump kinda close to the planet then get stuck on like a 2 day trek there? I get it there wouldn't have been a movie without that tension, but they could have come up with something better than a 48hr chase sequence.[/sp]

yo it makes no sense not to [sp]reassure your crew when it looks like a mutiny might break out because they think you have no plan. [/sp]

[QUOTE=nightlord;52985319]I don't know if it was just something i got wrong, but at the beginning of the movie [sp] did Poe somehow conveniently ignore that space flight in Star Wars is supposed to have a "WW2-dogfight Physics in space" approach that doesn't really allow things like 180 degree on-the-spot turns? Or have there been other examples of that in the movies that i just forgot about?[/sp][/QUOTE] This has been so common in Star Wars since forever, I dunno why the hell you're complaining about it. Genndy Wars,The Clone Wars,Rebels, IIRC Revenge of the Sith did it. It's literally something even in the old EU books.

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;52986028]This has been so common in Star Wars since forever, I dunno why the hell you're complaining about it. Genndy Wars,The Clone Wars,Rebels, IIRC Revenge of the Sith did it. It's literally something even in the old EU books.[/QUOTE] Wasn't so much complaining as i really couldn't remember if it was something that had been done before, i really can't remember any instances of it before and all the space battles that come to mind seem to be the [sp]WW2-dogfight style physics, i really don't many any on-the-spot turns or anything like that [/sp]. It's been a while since i watched the movie, at what point of Revenge of the Sith are you referring to? I can't recall anything that wouldn't fit with that portrayal of things in the initial battle of Revenge of the Sith, at least. Could you be a bit more specific with the examples?

Now that I think of [sp]Im surprised Obi-wan didn't appear in the scene with Yoda, I would just imagine he appearing a tad away like yoda did and then get closer and say "Hello There!"[/sp]

[QUOTE=rutolfus;52986112]Now that I think of [sp]Im surprised Obi-wan didn't appear in the scene with Yoda, I would just imagine he appearing a tad away like yoda did and then get closer and say "Hello There!"[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp]Alec Guiness is dead as dicks and CGI'ing him in would look as bad as Tarkin [/sp]

[QUOTE=redBadger;52985787]I think [sp]Phasma did survive I mean you have this huge ship I'm sure she conveniently fell to another hangar bay and was able to grab a ship out.[/sp][/QUOTE] Maybe it was just me but [sp]I was sure I heard a thunk right after she fell through the fire.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52985943][Sp]Why not jump directly there in the first place? They had no indication of light-speed-tracking prior to that point, so why make a jump kinda close to the planet then get stuck on like a 2 day trek there? I get it there wouldn't have been a movie without that tension, but they could have come up with something better than a 48hr chase sequence.[/Sp][/QUOTE] Although I didn't like the movie, that one's not a plot hole [sp]They warped to that area of space to wait for the rendezvous with Rey(And hopefully Luke). They weren't expecting to be tracked there. They intentionally wanted an out of the way area that no one would stumble across. They weren't intending on making use of Crait and drawing attention to it until they knew they had backing. From what they said, they were planning on using it as an industrial base, so I'm betting they wanted a decent fleet to help protect it first.[/sp]

[QUOTE=bdd458;52985624][sp]what's the plot hole? like no joke im not seeing any plotholes, what exactly is and why is it a plothole?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]They didn't need to do any of that entire side mission because Haldo actually had a decent plan to get away, but they simply didn't know, right?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Splarg!;52986215][sp]They didn't need to do any of that entire side mission because Haldo actually had a decent plan to get away, but they simply didn't know, right?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That doesn't really make it a plot hole[/sp]