Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN
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Honestly the [sp]leia thing didn't bother me, while it looked a bit visually silly, I thought it was perfectly fine within the contexts of the universe, it's the force man, it's the fact that Admiral fucking AKBAR is dead and so unceremoniously as well that bothers me ):[/sp]
On a serious note, I thought the movie was too [sp]safe. They didn't kill off any major characters and I was expecting a significant victory for the First Order (of business?) and to be left with more of a "Oh no! how will they win now" instead it was a bit numb, felt like the mid season of a Star Wars TV show. I guess they have to make it 'safe' for all the bloody children.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Tuskin;52986972][sp]It's the same material the Royal Starship was made out of in TMP[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yeah I thought so and that doesn't bother me as much, [sp]it's the fact that it's from Palpatines personal starship that bothers me[/sp]
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52986979]On a serious note, I thought the movie was too [sp]safe. They didn't kill off any major characters and I was expecting a significant victory for the First Order (of business?) and to be left with more of a "Oh no! how will they win now" instead it was a bit numb, felt like the mid season of a Star Wars TV show. I guess they have to make it 'safe' for all the bloody children.[/sp][/QUOTE]
They already had the significant victory in the first movie (which i fucking hated, seriously fuck starkiller base, what a fucking crock of shit, but whatever), [sp]they are quite literally just mopping up what's left of the small resistance movement that Leia setup.[/sp]
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[sp]How did he know the resistance's plan of escaping? They didn't tell him that. Did I miss that?[/sp]
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[sp]He overheard it on the PA when Poe was telling them while lightspeeding back iirc[/sp]
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52986979]On a serious note, I thought the movie was too [sp]safe. They didn't kill off any major characters and I was expecting a significant victory for the First Order (of business?) and to be left with more of a "Oh no! how will they win now" instead it was a bit numb, felt like the mid season of a Star Wars TV show. I guess they have to make it 'safe' for all the bloody children.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Considering what's left of the resistance can fit on the Falcon, I'd cal that a victory. That's why I think there will be a time jump between 8 and 9 to show the Resistance building up again[/sp]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52986565]Just watched it. I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan though I've seen most of the movies. I thought some stuff was just really dumb.
[sp]So Leia is a force user and she can survive in the vacuum of space? Okay, I guess. Casino planet and roguish thief character didn't really work for me. How did he know the resistance's plan of escaping? They didn't tell him that. Did I miss that?
The Holdo character I think wasn't done well enough. I was watching the film going "Uh, no she's absolutely right Poe, you just went against orders for a Pyrrhic victory against a dreadnought and lost your entire bomber division in an already-diminished and weakened army. You need to sit down." So I felt like the movie was trying to make me hate her but she was 100% in the right the entire time.
In fact, the entire second half of the movie on the resistance side was entirely his fault. He almost prevented the rebels from escaping with his mutiny. He subverted chain of command and sent two troops out on a mission that accomplished absolutely nothing, and even worse caused the loss of dozens, if not hundreds of rebellion lives when their codebreaker flipped on them and sold the entire resistance out. This caused the surviving resistance to be utterly cornered and almost killed for good, if not for Kylo Ren's own incompetence and Luke and Rey's intervention. And Poe is painted as a hero by the end. His immense failure and disregard of chain of command on two separate occasions resulted in the loss of hundreds of lives and he accomplished nothing in return. Like, I know that the theme of the movie is regret, failure, and moving on, but damn this Poe guy is an idiot and it's frustrating that even after he kills so many people Leia and Holdo are like "He's a whippersnapper, we love that guy."[/sp]
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[sp]See I seem to disagree with people on this, if they wanted us to agree that Poe was in the wrong and needed to grow they probably shouldn't have made his escape plan objectively better than Holdo's and then had it fail entirely due to poorly written plot contrivances. It really wouldn't be that hard, just write Poe's plan as half baked and worse than Holdo's. But no, it was better, they would've came out with more having risked less (since the plans weren't mutually exclusive). All the plan needed to go right was for Fin and Rose to obey fucking parking regulations.[/sp]
Also is anyone else bothered by the fact that [sp]nobody in the galaxy is doing anything about the First Order after it's genocidal attack on the republic, like the Death Star inspired trillions of species to rise up and fight, but Starkiller base and it's subsequent destruction hasn't...? sure the Republic was decapitated and it's leadership all but wiped out, but like, nobody else feels like stepping up and doing something about it, despite presumibly the attack on the republic killing a large swarve of presumably people they would have known, been family with, married, blah blah?[/sp]
Like the [sp]Mon Calamari still exist, they were a force in and of themselves ship wise, every single race who joined the rebellion originally still exists, it's just the home sector of the Republic and it's original fleet that was destroyed and yet, none of them answer the call for aid, like... What?[/sp]
[sp]Size comparison between the Raddus and an Empire era Star Destroyer
https://i.imgur.com/7REPu1C.png[/sp]
[QUOTE=Tuskin;52986992][sp]Considering what's left of the resistance can fit on the Falcon, I'd cal that a victory. That's why I think there will be a time jump between 8 and 9 to show the Resistance building up again[/sp][/QUOTE]Didn't leave me with the same sense of hopelessness that Empire did, [sp]The First Order just seemed a bit weak compared to the Empire, Hux is cartoonishly motivated for seemingly no reason and there were still rebels out there, they just didn't want to help.
It had it's moments but ultimately was very numb, a main character death would have made it much better. [/sp]
[QUOTE=jonu67;52986997]Also is anyone else bothered by the fact that [sp]nobody in the galaxy is doing anything about the First Order after it's genocidal attack on the republic, like the Death Star inspired trillions of species to rise up and fight, but Starkiller base and it's subsequent destruction hasn't...? sure the Republic was decapitated and it's leadership all but wiped out, but like, nobody else feels like stepping up and doing something about it, despite presumibly the attack on the republic killing a large swarve of presumably people they would have known, been family with, married, blah blah?[/sp]
Like the [sp]Mon Calamari still exist, they were a force in and of themselves ship wise, every single race who joined the rebellion originally still exists, it's just the home sector of the Republic and it's original fleet that was destroyed and yet, none of them answer the call for aid, like... What?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I think Ep. 9 WILL be about the galaxy rising up, especially because Luke Skywalker Himself showed up and fought the First Order. Considering that mere days seem to have passed since Starkiller base erased the New Republic and the Resistance prior to the FO revealing their cards was viewed more like weird fringe vigilantes than anything legitimate, the galaxy is probably in either a state of chaos or playing the waiting game, and neither is conductive to responding to a meager call for aid that'd put them in direct war with Galactic Empire 2: Unhinged edition.[/sp]
[sp]Huh the Supremacy is actually shorter then the Executor, by 6000 meters[/sp]
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52987036]Didn't leave me with the same sense of hopelessness that Empire did, [sp]The First Order just seemed a bit weak compared to the Empire, Hux is cartoonishly motivated for seemingly no reason and there were still rebels out there, they just didn't want to help.
It had it's moments but ultimately was very numb, a main character death would have made it much better. [/sp][/QUOTE]
The whole empire, new republic, first order, resistance mess of factions is not very well explained in the movies
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52986565]Just watched it. I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan though I've seen most of the movies. I thought some stuff was just really dumb.
[sp]So Leia is a force user and she can survive in the vacuum of space? Okay, I guess. Casino planet and roguish thief character didn't really work for me. How did he know the resistance's plan of escaping? They didn't tell him that. Did I miss that?
The Holdo character I think wasn't done well enough. I was watching the film going "Uh, no she's absolutely right Poe, you just went against orders for a Pyrrhic victory against a dreadnought and lost your entire bomber division in an already-diminished and weakened army. You need to sit down." So I felt like the movie was trying to make me hate her but she was 100% in the right the entire time.
In fact, the entire second half of the movie on the resistance side was entirely his fault. He almost prevented the rebels from escaping with his mutiny. He subverted chain of command and sent two troops out on a mission that accomplished absolutely nothing, and even worse caused the loss of dozens, if not hundreds of rebellion lives when their codebreaker flipped on them and sold the entire resistance out. This caused the surviving resistance to be utterly cornered and almost killed for good, if not for Kylo Ren's own incompetence and Luke and Rey's intervention. And Poe is painted as a hero by the end. His immense failure and disregard of chain of command on two separate occasions resulted in the loss of hundreds of lives and he accomplished nothing in return. Like, I know that the theme of the movie is regret, failure, and moving on, but damn this Poe guy is an idiot and it's frustrating that even after he kills so many people Leia and Holdo are like "He's a whippersnapper, we love that guy."[/sp]
This is all I can remember off the top of my head, I didn't really make it a point to analyze everything, though I noticed other incongruities that I later forgot about. But stuff like that aside, I found myself still enjoying the movie. Probably because of the spectacle, because some sequences were really well shot and the action felt weighty and brutal, and probably because I still enjoyed watching the characters interact for the most part despite higher-level stupidity in the script.
It was a totally watchable movie in my book. Nothing amazing or mind-blowing, but definitely not prequel levels of boring.
PS, [sp]Phasma was almost cool for about 3 minutes. Then they killed off the character with the most potential in the entire series. I don't even care about Snoke, to be honest I was getting tired of the wise old evil man constantly controlling shit from behind the scenes in every one of these movies. Seeing a conflicted, confused, and impulsive Kylo Ren as a main villain is more interesting to me.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I like that the biggest threat to each faction isn't each other but rather the new generation of impuslive, emotionally immature manchildren going full retard fucking over their entire group.
This new trilogy can basically be summed up as Star War Ep VIII: Millenials Ruin Everything
[Sp]I thought the super-man scene with Leia was pretty dumb, but it is Star Wars and space magic literally exists in the universe. I'm just glad they didn't kill off her character, as it would have been really tacky [/sp]
[QUOTE=heyoo;52987138]I like that the biggest threat to each faction isn't each other but rather the new generation of impuslive, emotionally immature manchildren going full retard fucking over their entire group.
This new trilogy can basically be summed up as Star War Ep VIII: Millenials Ruin Everything[/QUOTE]
You mean because one of the kids parents totally disregarded them to focus on their work because he was acting out a bit instead of taking some time to understand them[sp] who was also being coerupted by outside forces at the same time [/sp], an orphan who was left on a planet which she had to scavenge day and night to survive with no parental guidance or social constructs aside from slavers and traders and a child who was abducted and forced into a military life style which is all they knew.
Oh yeah totally their fault they're fucked up
[editline]18th December 2017[/editline]
Poe has no excuse tho
[QUOTE=Takuat;52987175]You mean because one of the kids parents totally disregarded them to focus on their work because he was acting out a bit instead of taking some time to understand them[sp] who was also being coerupted by outside forces at the same time [/sp], an orphan who was left on a planet which she had to scavenge day and night to survive with no parental guidance or social constructs aside from slavers and traders and a child who was abducted and forced into a military life style which is all they knew.
Oh yeah totally their fault they're fucked up
[editline]18th December 2017[/editline]
Poe has no excuse tho[/QUOTE]
Hey everyone carries baggage in a war, but that's stil no excuse for them royally fucking up as bad as they did :V
Not just Kylo, but Hux himself is mostly a weasely and spineless commander who almost no one really respects and majorly fucks up in the beginning as well.
Why do space lasers have trajectory? That makes no sense.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;52987252]Why do space lasers have trajectory? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
They're not lasers that's why
I still can't get over how nonchalant [sp]Kylo was about waking up in the throne room, seeing half of the Supremacy floating away while he is still in it and just casually asking, "What happened?" as if it were more out of curiosity than concern. At least Hux was actually upset over Snoke's death.[/sp]
[QUOTE=heyoo;52987194]Hey everyone carries baggage in a war, but that's stil no excuse for them royally fucking up as bad as they did :V
[sp]Not just Kylo, but Hux himself is mostly a weasely and spineless commander who almost no one really respects and majorly fucks up in the beginning as well.[/sp][/QUOTE]
The guy who plays Hux is a terrible actor choice, or has made terrible acting choices. He's whiny and sniveling. He deserves to be one of the commanders quickly killed by a force choke at a random moment, not the leader of the First Order. And he's so flippin dumb.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52987264]They're not lasers that's why[/QUOTE]
Ok, why would any projectile in space have trajectory? I know this is nitpicking, but I think the movie as a whole was pretty incompetent. I think this showcases that it is incompetent even on very basic levels.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;52987308]Ok, why would any projectile in space have trajectory.[/QUOTE]
Because Star Wars is Science-Fantasy, not Science-Fiction.
Projectiles drop in space for the same reason there was space-B-17s and light-sabers. If the series conformed perfectly to known science, it would be fucking boring.
[editline]18th December 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=ThePanther;52987308]Ok, why would any projectile in space have trajectory? I know this is nitpicking, but I think the movie as a whole was pretty incompetent. I think this showcases that it is incompetent even on very basic levels.[/QUOTE]
The movie was goofy and incompetent in some areas, but not because of projectiles dropping lol
[QUOTE=blazer003;52987301]The guy who plays Hux is a terrible actor choice, or has made terrible acting choices. He's whiny and sniveling. He deserves to be one of the commanders quickly killed by a force choke at a random moment, not the leader of the First Order. And he's so flippin dumb.[/QUOTE]
Vader would never have tolerated him.
[QUOTE=blazer003;52987301]The guy who plays Hux is a terrible actor choice, or has made terrible acting choices. He's whiny and sniveling. He deserves to be one of the commanders quickly killed by a force choke at a random moment, not the leader of the First Order. And he's so flippin dumb.[/QUOTE]
On average, Dohmal Gleeson is a pretty great actor, but yeah his portrayal here is too cartoonish.
[sp]It makes it impossible for me to take the First Order seriously in the future now that these two wankers are in charge of it. The rebellion don't even have to do anything-the First Order will just collapse onto itself due to how incompetent and emotionally immature these chucklefucks are [/sp]
It was a lazy film bogged down by executives who dont know the first thing a good script, they damages the core concepts and have alienated the old star wars fans from the new.
Its Bad enough the story was lame, but it missed so much by giving you all false hopes and expectations, these are not risk as killing Han Solo off was a rist. Many people wanted that to have meaning and deapth, but they sunk it. Luke was needed to craft the story so that both old and new would embrace the new franchise. But Disney apart from its over use od strong female characters has made them look like dounuts.
I think, its garbage and dont think the mights JJ Abrahams can save it...
Those who disagree, will find solice in putting money in disney pocket where it is not deserved, I would not spend 5 Billion on a work of classic culture and then destory it.
Regardless, of people saying its great, exceptional, this reminds me of the story of the Emperors new clothes.... No pun there...
Cmon
People who liked the film, what was your reaction to [sp]Luke's passing[/sp] ?
[QUOTE=halfer;52987447]People who liked the film, what was your reaction to [sp]Luke's passing[/sp] ?[/QUOTE]
It was as it should have been
[QUOTE=halfer;52987447]People who liked the film, what was your reaction to [sp]Luke's passing[/sp] ?[/QUOTE]
[sp]He got to talk with his sister one last time, went out using an impressive display of the Force, gave the surviving Resistance a chance to escape and fight again another day, regained his hope for the future of the Jedi, then passed on peacefully looking out on twin setting suns.
As ways for him to die go I don't think I could have asked for anything better.[/sp]
[sp]Still really confused about who that kid who used the force on the broom at the very end was [/sp]
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