Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

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[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52987475][sp]Still really confused about who that kid who used the force on the broom at the very end was [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]it's the slave/worker kid that Rose gave the Rebel ring to in that scene where they free the animals[/sp]

[QUOTE=halfer;52987484][sp]it's the slave/worker kid that Rose gave the Rebel ring to in that scene where they free the animals[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]did he only become force sensitive after luke died or was he always like that??[/sp]

[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52987475][sp]Still really confused about who that kid who used the force on the broom at the very end was [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]No one, he was one of the kids from the Casino Royal planet. Maybe he will be trained by Ray in an epilogue towards the end of the next movie but all he is there to do is to show there are other force users in the galaxy. The arty interpenetration is that he is representative of the next generation of Star Wars fans looking to a future not dictated and slavishly loyal to the past movies.[/sp]

Idk, my best friend is a big original trilogy fan and knows a ton more than I do while I love the newer movies and we get along pretty well lol.

If the new trilogy wasn't made by Lucas or Disney, then people wouldn't be nearly as critical of the these movies. People see the Disney ownership as cheapening the series and its being made just as an excuse to sell toys.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52987537]If the new trilogy wasn't made by Lucas or Disney, then people wouldn't be nearly as critical of the these movies. People see the Disney ownership as cheapening the series and its being made just as an excuse to sell toys.[/QUOTE] I am not so sure about that. Ultimately a new Star Wars movie will be criticized for either playing it too safe and pandering to the fan boys and girls., Or, if it takes a different direction, one that at least tires to innovate it will be scorned for betraying the established order and traditions of the series thus far.

[sp]Kylo's saber in the flash back looks like his Crossguard saber minus the Crossguard. I'm guessing he cracked his crystal during the bleeding process[/sp]

[media]https://twitter.com/edgarwright/status/942783807043919874[/media] Also an interesting tidbit re: TLJ's development: [media]https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/942615681132122113[/media]

[QUOTE=Blueleaf;52987597] Also an interesting tidbit re: TLJ's development: [media]https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/942615681132122113[/media][/QUOTE] The TFA Visual dictionary also included a hint towards [sp]the Supremacy.[/sp]

Is there an in universe reason why they [sp]were using those big ass bombers instead of Y-Wings and B-Wings? I don't know what's part of the extended universe anymore and what's 'official'[/sp]

Not sure how I feel about the movie, but I liked the ending. Reminded me a lot of the ending to [sp]The Dark Knight Rises. Luke's character arc was very similar to Bruce, becoming a legend to inspire others. There's potential in everybody, even nobodies like Rey.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;52987611]Is there an in universe reason why they [sp]were using those big ass bombers instead of Y-Wings and B-Wings? I don't know what's part of the extended universe anymore and what's 'official'[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The Starfortresses are dedicated bomber craft rather than fighter bombers like the Y-Wing and B-Wing. They're much slower and need cover from fighter attacks, but they carry a substantially bigger payload of bombs than any starfighter - enough for a single bomber to take down a dreadnought by itself when aiming right for its weak spot. Out of universe they're basically just a different take on bombers than the fighters we saw in the OT. Rian mentioned one of his main influences for TLJ was Twelve O'Clock High, a war film about daylight bombing raids during WWII, and the Starfortresses are blatantly B-17s in space (which fits with Star Wars space battles being WWII air and naval combat in space).[/sp]

[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52987475][sp]Still really confused about who that kid who used the force on the broom at the very end was [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]In the canon he's just some street urchin that Rose and Fin were nice to on their adventure. Quite simply, he’s a metaphor for a new generation of Star Wars fans looking towards the future instead of dwelling on nostalgia. Rian Johnson has said as much himself considering that he made this movie as sort of a subversion of the JJ Abrams' shtick.[/sp] Wasn't really supposed to be taken literally, or god forbid as setup for a future movie. He's rejecting that shit, [sp] that's why Luke threw away his lightsaber at the beginning, and Kylo told Rey she was born from nobodies.[/sp]

I think one of my main gripes is [sp]just how incompetently terrible First Order leadership is. Vader, Tarkin, The Emperor, and even the other Imperial ranking officers seemed cool, calculated, and dangerous. Krennic had a massive ego and was prone to tantrums too but still managed to keep a serious demeanor. Hux is a goofy whiny manchild. The dude in the dreadnought at the beginning should be in Hux's position. With how embarrassing they act, it makes it seem like their victories are less them being a dangerous force, but more how poorly the republic is fielding itself. I can handle 1 of the 2 top officers being unstable(In fact I really liked Kylo's development in this one) but having both of them blowing their lids on everything makes it less believable that they're doing as well as they are. And poor Phasma can't catch a break. Also, why was BB-8 not captured/destroyed in Snoke's flagship? Codeman knew he was there, and that other droid picked up on him right away.[/sp] That being said [sp]Rey's characterization was so much better in this than in TFA. It's interesting how they show their battles with the dark side. Each time luke considered it, he saw himself in whoever he was striking down.(The tree, and when he cuts off vader's hand he looks back to his own) Rey seeks the dark side for answers, but realizes it doesn't provide any so instead she seeks out the jedi texts. Luke went out like a true jedi. Despite people complaining about it not being a real fight, I liked it. It was basically Luke taunting Kylo one last time, showing that not only is he strong enough to force project like this, but that he'll never get the chance to know if he could have surpassed his master. As luke said "He's going to haunt him for the rest of his life". And I'm fine with Snoke biting it to show that Kylo really is determined to end everything. I wish Akbar had gotten Holdo's spot, he didn't deserve to go out how he did. I think Casino planet should've had a few more aliens, or the movie in general. There's barely any in the rebellion, and they're the ones most likely to be affected by the FO.[/sp]

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdm8rpv045U[/media]

[QUOTE=Sableye;52985102][Sp] at lightspeed one has infinate mass and infinate energy, not that star wars doesnt show them breaking physics but still, glaring plot holes. Hell they lost dozens of heavy corvettes each time just fighting to blow up the death star, death star 2, and death planet[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]a super star destroyer alone is like, a fraction of the size of the death star[/sp] [t]https://www.daltonator.net/fanfics/multi/images/scales/silhouette_deathstar.gif[/t] [sp]at best it would punch a small hole and get a few layers in, but i don't think it could punch RIGHT through it and utterly destroy it[/sp] Also on Hux: It was weird seeing how cartoonishly villainous and hoighty toighty he came off in this movie considering his character was pretty intense and serious in the last one

After thinking about the whole motivation of [sp] Luke giving up and going to that island to die [/sp], i don't [I]quite[/I] understand it. From what i got [sp] he was optimistic about it all until he trained Kylo/Ben, and then because he failed him by momentarily seeing how dark he was going to become and what that lead to he decided he wouldn't train anyone else and abandoned everything by going to that island. The part i don't get is he was going on about letting the Jedi end....while there were two extremely powerful Dark-side users ruling the galaxy (or at the time he left, trying to) - so he was fine with leaving the Dark Side in power and only wanted the Jedi to disappear? He'd given up with the whole Jedi/Force thing to the point he was willing to let evil win? I don't see how that fits in with his character, really. Also, why did he call it the "Jedi Religion"? I was under the impression that it wasn't a religion and hadn't been refered to as that in the Star Wars universe, at least not in a serious way by someone who actually knows what it is/was [/sp]

[QUOTE=blazer003;52987301]The guy who plays Hux is a terrible actor choice, or has made terrible acting choices. He's whiny and sniveling. He deserves to be one of the commanders quickly killed by a force choke at a random moment, not the leader of the First Order. And he's so flippin dumb.[/QUOTE] it's not the actor choice. Domhnall Gleeson is a fantastic actor. He's playing the part exactly how it's written and he's been directed to play it. Domhnall's even played a terrifying serial killer that he pulls off perfectly. how can you blame Domhnall for the character being sniveling? I totally agree that this movie ruined the character and made him a cartoon villain, but putting that on Domhnall doesn't make sense. the character was better in the jj movie and we know he's a good actor capable of being scary.

[QUOTE=nightlord;52987860]After thinking about the whole motivation of [sp] Luke giving up and going to that island to die [/sp], i don't [I]quite[/I] understand it. From what i got [sp] he was optimistic about it all until he trained Kylo/Ben, and then because he failed him by momentarily seeing how dark he was going to become and what that lead to he decided he wouldn't train anyone else and abandoned everything by going to that island. The part i don't get is he was going on about letting the Jedi end....while there were two extremely powerful Dark-side users ruling the galaxy (or at the time he left, trying to) - so he was fine with leaving the Dark Side in power and only wanted the Jedi to disappear? He'd given up with the whole Jedi/Force thing to the point he was willing to let evil win? Also, why did he call it the "Jedi Religion"? I was under the impression that it wasn't a religion and hadn't been refered to as that in the Star Wars universe, at least not in a serious way by someone who actually knows what it is/was [/sp][/QUOTE] Re: Luke; [sp]my perspective on it was that he was deeply traumatized, keep in mind that kylo didn't just destroy the temple, he killed multiple students and pulled multiple others with him to the dark side (that we still havent seen for some reason). I could imagine it's at that point that he realizes trying to continue the Jedi is a bad idea (since we know he knows what happens in the prequels) since it seems like it keeps leading to failure. It's possible he was training Jedi to face Snoke as well. I guess he figured that eventually the dark side would meet their downfall as well.[/sp]

[QUOTE=nightlord;52987860][sp]Also, why did he call it the "Jedi Religion"? I was under the impression that it wasn't a religion and hadn't been refered to as that in the Star Wars universe, at least not in a serious way by someone who actually knows what it is/was [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]"The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion."[/sp]

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52987889]Re: Luke; [sp]my perspective on it was that he was deeply traumatized, keep in mind that kylo didn't just destroy the temple, he killed multiple students and pulled multiple others with him to the dark side (that we still havent seen for some reason). I could imagine it's at that point that he realizes trying to continue the Jedi is a bad idea (since we know he knows what happens in the prequels) since it seems like it keeps leading to failure. It's possible he was training Jedi to face Snoke as well. I guess he figured that eventually the dark side would meet their downfall as well.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Didn't he have like 6 or more students turn to the dark side in Legends? Dude isn't a good teacher in either reality[/sp]

I'm still really excited for Episode 9, though man I'm like anti-hype for Star Solo; A Han Wars film.

[QUOTE=ThePanther;52987252]Why do space lasers have trajectory? That makes no sense.[/QUOTE] No, we need to back the fuck up to why they need bombers in space that literally drop bombs. Like a space bomber that launches torpedoes? Cool. But fucking gravity bombs? Like I get that Star Wars air combat is basically WWII, but at that point at least use like a dive bomber style attack. That makes sense in space. You fly towards target, and detach a bomb. The bomb has the benefit of being 100% warhead with no need for guidance or propulsion. Space stuka makes (some) sense. Space B-17, not so much.

Honestly I think no matter [I]what[/I] kind of film they made nerds everywhere would still be flinging shit at it because it didn't meet the standards and expectations of what they want the film to be. "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.”

[QUOTE=GunFox;52988211]No, we need to back the fuck up to why they need bombers in space that literally drop bombs. Like a space bomber that launches torpedoes? Cool. But fucking gravity bombs? Like I get that Star Wars air combat is basically WWII, but at that point at least use like a dive bomber style attack. That makes sense in space. You fly towards target, and detach a bomb. The bomb has the benefit of being 100% warhead with no need for guidance or propulsion. Space stuka makes (some) sense. Space B-17, not so much.[/QUOTE] Nah, it was consistent. The bombers even had internal gravity while the bay doors were open. Less space taken and the more simple the thing the bigger the boom and cheaper the munition. That's a typical tradeoff. Also science fantasy, as others have said, if the Dragon ball z ki control and [sp]ki projections[/sp] and futureswords and futurekatanas and future anachronistic technology here didn't clue you in. The rules of space in star wars conform directly to the rule of cool.

[QUOTE=GunFox;52988211]No, we need to back the fuck up to why they need bombers in space that literally drop bombs. Like a space bomber that launches torpedoes? Cool. But fucking gravity bombs? Like I get that Star Wars air combat is basically WWII, but at that point at least use like a dive bomber style attack. That makes sense in space. You fly towards target, and detach a bomb. The bomb has the benefit of being 100% warhead with no need for guidance or propulsion. Space stuka makes (some) sense. Space B-17, not so much.[/QUOTE] Nah, the space bombers were rad as shit. You could argue the bombs are powered via anti-gravity, or they ride their momentum from falling out of the ships internal gravity. You could also argue that its a movie and a frigate firing a single large warhead is fucking boring in comparison to space B-17s. Honestly why use lazers at all in star wars space combat when guided missile munitions are a thing but chaf or other countermeasures aren't? Why fuck around with unguided lasers when space missiles are a fire and forget 1hk? Right, because it's Star Wars, not Macross, and lazer gun fights in space are way cooler. Why are we all of a sudden nitpicking Star Wars for its impractical weaponry?

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phGlo_TNDp0[/media] Apparently people are forgetting about the fact that Star Wars has had bombs like this before?

I get the impression that the space bombers weren't really intended to do what Poe used them for

[QUOTE=GunFox;52988211]No, we need to back the fuck up to why they need bombers in space that literally drop bombs. Like a space bomber that launches torpedoes? Cool. But fucking gravity bombs? Like I get that Star Wars air combat is basically WWII, but at that point at least use like a dive bomber style attack. That makes sense in space. You fly towards target, and detach a bomb. The bomb has the benefit of being 100% warhead with no need for guidance or propulsion. Space stuka makes (some) sense. Space B-17, not so much.[/QUOTE] Few reasons, in-universe. [sp]First, shields can stop torpedoes. They can't stop bombs. The internal logic is that shields can only stop energy-based high velocity projectiles, and torpedoes in SW aren't fully physical, if I recall correctly. This is also why small ships can get near to begin with and, as is explained in the film, must be taken out before they're too close specifically because shields can't do shit to stop them. Second, bombs are much more destructive than torpedoes. An entire rack dropped from a sky fortress will obliterate a ship in seconds whereas torpedoes will take sustained fire, without a shield to protect the target. Third, they may be cheaper than torpedoes, or the Resistance may have run out of torpedoes. They have been on the run for a while, are out of resources, down to one frigate, and most of their personnel is gone with their former allies having turned a blind eye. It's unlikely they're storing torpedoes since they don't have the means to fire them.[/sp]