Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

Out of curiosity, what did happen to Mark Hamills voice? Somewhere between appearing in the Simpsons and doing Regular Show, it went from high pitched to husky oldman. Perhaps he was playing 'Skips' in The Last Jedi.

maybe it was doing the joker voice too much he seems to keep trying to quit that role

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52987323]Vader would never have tolerated him.[/QUOTE] ya but Hux did build a death [I]PLANET[/I] out in the outter reaches of the galaxy as quick as it took them to build the death star, AND did it without any of the empire's endless resources, all while re-establishing their own shipyards to rebuild a fleet and recruit tens of thousands, millions, of workers and soldiers. He's one hell of an administrator, unless there was like a guy before hux that built all that stuff and he just took over at the end.

[QUOTE=Sableye;52988703]ya but Hux did build a death [I]PLANET[/I] out in the outter reaches of the galaxy as quick as it took them to build the death star, AND did it without any of the empire's endless resources, all while re-establishing their own shipyards to rebuild a fleet and recruit tens of thousands, millions, of workers and soldiers. He's one hell of an administrator, unless there was like a guy before hux that built all that stuff and he just took over at the end.[/QUOTE] As [sp]goofy as Hux was in TLJ[/sp], I think his actor is really good. Just look at his speech from TFA, he does the Space Nazi thing very well.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52988533]Few reasons, in-universe. [sp]First, shields can stop torpedoes. They can't stop bombs. The internal logic is that shields can only stop energy-based high velocity projectiles, and torpedoes in SW aren't fully physical, if I recall correctly. This is also why small ships can get near to begin with and, as is explained in the film, must be taken out before they're too close specifically because shields can't do shit to stop them. Second, bombs are much more destructive than torpedoes. An entire rack dropped from a sky fortress will obliterate a ship in seconds whereas torpedoes will take sustained fire, without a shield to protect the target. Third, they may be cheaper than torpedoes, or the Resistance may have run out of torpedoes. They have been on the run for a while, are out of resources, down to one frigate, and most of their personnel is gone with their former allies having turned a blind eye. It's unlikely they're storing torpedoes since they don't have the means to fire them.[/sp][/QUOTE] I think the screenwriter may have wanted to have a cool tense scene with a stuck bomb but that works too.

[sp]My thing about the bombers is if they're carrying so much fucking munitions, why are they so poorly shielded and traveling in a straight line instead of a staggered phalanx or something? Why did they even start arming them while they were still so far away from the actual drop point? or a line maybe? at least something so they could have actually accounted for one possibly getting disabled and running into another, or just debris in general. The bomber design is cool but it seems impractical on basically every front. Another complaint: I feel like they could have just made Rose and the female A-wing pilot the same character. Why did they even introduce that pilot and give her multiple close-ups, then just kill her off in an explosion? It's somewhere they probably could have trimmed the fat and just cast one person to fill both roles. Rose's story basically picks up right when she dies anyway. And she was cute[/sp] :frown:

I'm not terribly concerned about the physics of space warfare as portrayed in this movie. It's a sci-fi fantasy film and there's space magic and highly advanced technology that I don't really understand nor need to understand. That's totally fine and doesn't need to be explained because it's not integral to the plot. All you need to know is that [sp]they sent space bombers to attack the big ship and they succeeded, but it was a Pyrrhic victory.[/sp] That's the plot point, everything past that is boring nitpicking as far as I'm concerned. My problem is with the common sense failures on the characters. [sp]Why is Poe treated as a hero even after his repeated going against chain of command resulted in several disasters and the loss of hundreds of rebellion lives? Why is the purple-haired lady whose name I forgot, I'm gonna call her Diane now, not telling her crew what the fucking plan is during the most tense and dangerous position the entire rebellion has ever been in?[/sp] Shit like that is what bothers me, not space magic.

I like that, despite how pompous Hux is, it's obvious he's really good at his job. Same with Kylo; he's a damaged, angry child, but he can totally back up his whining when it comes to a fight. One thing I really liked about the [sp]Praetorian fight is that they establish, without the handicap of having taken a bowcaster bolt to the breadbasket, Kylo is pretty soundly a stronger swordsman than Rey. I feel like that really balances them out.[/sp]

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;52988904]I'm not terribly concerned about the physics of space warfare as portrayed in this movie. It's a sci-fi fantasy film and there's space magic and highly advanced technology that I don't really understand nor need to understand. That's totally fine and doesn't need to be explained because it's not integral to the plot. All you need to know is that [sp]they sent space bombers to attack the big ship and they succeeded, but it was a Pyrrhic victory.[/sp] that's the plot point, everything past that is boring nitpicking as far as I'm concerned. My problem is with the common sense failures on the characters. [sp]Why is Poe treated as a hero even after his going against chain of command resulted in several disasters and the loss of hundreds of rebellion lives? Why is the purple-haired lady whose name I forgot, I'm gonna call her Diane now, not telling her crew what the fucking plan is during the most tense and dangerous position the entire rebellion has ever been in?[/sp] Shit like that is what bothers me, not space magic.[/QUOTE] [sp]*poe is nothing but a shitbag to her for the whole film and literally tries to mutiny* "I like him, he's a troublemaker"[/sp] :doubt:

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;52988908][sp]*poe is nothing but a shitbag to her for the whole film and literally tries to mutiny* "I like him, he's a troublemaker"[/sp] :doubt:[/QUOTE] [sp]We were supposed to hate her from the start, but that whole introductory scene all I was thinking was "Uhh yeah, your going against orders lost your army's entire bomber division when the entire force is already incredibly weakened, for a victory that ultimately accomplished nothing. You need to sit down like Diane said." Her tone and demeanor was meant to set her up as a bait-and-switch bad guy/good guy, but her being absolutely 100% correct in that scene primed me root for her against Poe who only went on to cause larger disasters later. So it sort of ruined the entire tone of those sequences for me and left me confused.[/sp]

I feel like the movie would have been a lot better if they got rid of the whole Finn/Rose subplot. It dragged on and hand no payoff. They ended up failing at their mission in the end so the story would would have been the same if Finn just stayed in the regeneration pod the whole movie.

I just got out of the film and honestly i loved it. TFA was fun but too pandery and rogue one was super boring imho, but this movie honestly reignited my love of star wars. It was exactly as fun and oh shit as necessary and it felt like shit actually happened (im looking at you tfa) [editline]19th December 2017[/editline] I think youre all right about how the characters are fuckups or may have really affected little, but i like that. Having Finn and Roses plan fuck up seemed genuinely desperate, when they got caught it felt actually defeating. The new trilogy is really hammering home the 'dont diefy legends' motif and it feels like Rey, Finn and Po and Kylos messups come from them trying to live up to the heroes of the older movies and im sure by the next film most of our characters will hit their stride

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52988466]Nah, the space bombers were rad as shit. You could argue the bombs are powered via anti-gravity, or they ride their momentum from falling out of the ships internal gravity. You could also argue that its a movie and a frigate firing a single large warhead is fucking boring in comparison to space B-17s. Honestly why use lazers at all in star wars space combat when guided missile munitions are a thing but chaf or other countermeasures aren't? Why fuck around with unguided lasers when space missiles are a fire and forget 1hk? Right, because it's Star Wars, not Macross, and lazer gun fights in space are way cooler. Why are we all of a sudden nitpicking Star Wars for its impractical weaponry?[/QUOTE] Space combat in Star wars is essentially a WWII movie. Which is why I can accept most of it. But that entire scene hinged on dropping gravity bombs in space. Hinged on it when a swarm of space dive bombers would better fit the WWII motif and is anything but boring. [QUOTE=PaChIrA;52988477][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phGlo_TNDp0[/media] Apparently people are forgetting about the fact that Star Wars has had bombs like this before?[/QUOTE] Those are clearly launched and falling towards a celestial body with gravity. Using bombs against a terrestrial target is fine. Against a space ship? It is space. Rotate your bomb bays towards the massive wall of ship. Launch bombs. Leave. It is space. The Y-Wing has traditionally filled this role and engaged from inside shield range.

[QUOTE=GunFox;52988948]Space combat in Star wars is essentially a WWII movie. Which is why I can accept most of it. But that entire scene hinged on dropping gravity bombs in space. Hinged on it when a swarm of space dive bombers would better fit the WWII motif and is anything but boring. Those are clearly launched and falling towards a celestial body with gravity. Using bombs against a terrestrial target is fine. Against a space ship? It is space. Rotate your bomb bays towards the massive wall of ship. Launch bombs. Leave. It is space. The Y-Wing has traditionally filled this role and engaged from inside shield range.[/QUOTE] They waited to drop the bombs at a specific point and those bombs are most likely something better than proton torpedoes or proton bombs for this role if they aren't using those. One bomber's bomb bay destroyed a whole capital ship when it hit that specific point. You can't just let space do the work for you if you are trying to hit a specific point, that capital ship was moving after all. Bombs that drop downwards in space are something that has always been in Star Wars, even Rogue One had it. [media]https://youtu.be/qAes8xFNZoE?t=192[/media] @3:18, this is the best video I can find of the Scarif space battle at the moment

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52987886]it's not the actor choice. Domhnall Gleeson is a fantastic actor. He's playing the part exactly how it's written and he's been directed to play it. Domhnall's even played a terrifying serial killer that he pulls off perfectly. how can you blame Domhnall for the character being sniveling? I totally agree that this movie ruined the character and made him a cartoon villain, but putting that on Domhnall doesn't make sense. the character was better in the jj movie and we know he's a good actor capable of being scary.[/QUOTE] Sniveling! Yes, I knew he reminded me of someone. [T]http://sonicsatam.com/prettysideofpain/SatAM/satamHOS_Cutie_Sniv.jpg[/T] So, about those major villains huh? Darth Sidious versus Kylo Ren in a battle of the biggest bads! Who will triu--oh, that's a spite match isn't it? And in more than just power, I'm afraid. [QUOTE]He's one hell of an administrator, unless there was like a guy before hux that built all that stuff and he just took over at the end.[/QUOTE] There was, namely his own father and Rae Sloane, both of which founded the First Order that our favorite Supreme Leader Snore inherited, for some unknown reason.

I saw Last Jedi yesterday, and here are the 3 biggest problems: 1) Plot and Narrative Structure. [sp]It felt like watching a TV series. Constantly jumping around from place to place, instead of being more focused. That weird casino sub-plot was absolutely pointless, for example, and the codebreaker served as nothing more than a middle finger to the audience. I mean, I liked some of the twists and turns, but the film is just trying to mask it's ex machina moments with them, but is still choke full of last-second miracles saving main characters. The film is overly long and it's lenght isn't justified. They could have jam packed it with more substance, but instead we have a very superficial story with just hints of a good one in it. The force awakens was better structured than this one.[/sp] 2) Shallow Characters and Story [sp] Yes, I like the new direction the film took. The whole moral grey area, the dark tone, and getting rid of the past etc. But I still think it was handled superficially and we just didn't get enough. Skywalker was probably the most developed character, but then again, not so much after all. All that happened is that he had some problem with Ben and said "fuck the jedi" and then helped the resistance, the end. I didn't see much depth there. Ray has a moment of conflict, then finds out her parents were nobodies, and that's it. Fin doesn't develop, he's just running around. With regards to Poe, we just get the feeling that hes someone who stands up for himself and acts when he thinks his ideas are better than his superiors, that's it. Kylo Ren doesn't really do anything, he just gets manipulated, and then goes back to being a big bad guy once again. Snoke remains a totally mysterious and unknown brain tumor dude, who is now dead so fuck that character, right? Leia for some reason now has powers, and she barely does anything apart from helping the resistance escape. About that, the whole thing about the resistance escaping hit the same beats as any other star wars film. Hell, it felt like another death star but just a space ship this time. We had the usual "disable the shields, hack the thing, destroy that chip thing etc" sequence of events. True, this time things don't go as smoothly as usual, and I praise it for that, but the repeated elements are still there. [/sp] 3) I've written for too long in my phone and forgot.

the whole thing with the [sp]morally gray area[/sp] could have been handled so much better than what we got. [sp]HEY THESE PEOPLE ARE RICH BECAUSE THEY'RE ARMS DEALERS. DID YOU GUYS KNOW THEY'RE ARMS DEALERS? OH LOOK THIS SHIP WAS OWNED BY AN ARMS DEALER. THEY'RE ALSO BAD PEOPLE.[/sp]

[sp]Everyone keeps saying that Canto Blight is pointless, but it's meant to show off how evil exists outside the First Order, and how the rebellion will find its fighters in the downtrodden. It's a pretty big point.[/sp]

Adam Driver is so fucking great so far in this trilogy. Definitely my favorite character in the ST, and becoming one of my favorite SW characters in general. My favorite part of [sp]the Praetorian fight was Kylo standing still while calculating how to attack the two guards, I don't know why. Adam's frustrated deliverance of "You're still holding on!" when speaking to Rey after the fight [/sp]gave me chills when first hearing it. Edit: Words.

I thought Hux was supposed to be the Grand Moff Tarkin of this series.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52989323]I thought Hux was supposed to be the Grand Moff Tarkin of this series.[/QUOTE] Me too, and I'm glad he's not. Tarkin is by far a better character, but I like how unhinged and unstable Hux is. And the scene where [sp]he was ready to just fucking kill Kylo shows how much of a weasel he is and maybe even scared of the thought of Kylo running TFO. Very short scene but I thought the detail added depth to his character. I like it.[/sp]

[sp]i confess, during that scene i thought he was pushing aside his coat to reveal a lightsaber and himself as the true power behind TFO and that would have been a good fucking twist i think but no he's still just a snivelling commander[/sp]

[sp]Mark Hamill plays two characters in the film http://comicbook.com/starwars/2017/12/17/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mark-hamill-secret-character/[/sp]

[QUOTE=lintz;52989462][sp]i confess, during that scene i thought he was pushing aside his coat to reveal a lightsaber and himself as the true power behind TFO and that would have been a good fucking twist i think but no he's still just a snivelling commander[/sp][/QUOTE] That would have been super corny but also super cool.

The more i think about TLJ the more i like it. [sp]I really think a lot of people's problems have to do with expectations for how they thought things were going. And thinking back, them including that "this isn't going to go how you think it will" line in the trailer seems to really be talking to the audience. I also think people are taking the characters bad ideas in the movie as meaning the movie itself is bad, but really this is just a bunch of characters getting wake up calls that you can just fly by the seat of one's pants constantly and have it work out. Yes things go really badly for just about everyone, but these are lessons learned and hopefully applied for this seed of the new rebellion. [/sp] I still have to see it again, but i think i'm gonna like it more on that second viewing. [sp] I also really like how thus far the sequel trilogy is titled "the force awakens the last jedi" and i'm already excited to see how that sentence is finished[/sp]

For me it mostly hinges on how much you mind the logic of the plot. It's a great theatergoing experience but it's not fun to sit and think about.

[video]https://youtu.be/L9hwGZFPSmw[/video]

So, a conclusion I came to about the most generally-disliked feature of the film no, not [sp] Super Leia [/sp] but [sp] Space Las Vegas. [/sp] [sp]That was the movie's China ticket. It was all there so the movie will be accepted with minimal cutting by the Chinese Censors. It features a definitely-Chinese protagonist, Rose, in a corrupt Ultra-Capitalist society of profiteers, and tries to laud a token act of petty civil disturbance as the paramount act of taking down the bad guys, even though the total effect of the damage is probably about half a day's revenue, a spot on the nightly news, and a few people saying, "remember the time someone let all the race horses out? That was wild." Like, it's hard to more thoroughly articulate how China-friendly that B-plot is without going in to bulletpoints that spell it out. Everyone comments on how clearly shoe-horned it was, and I'm more surprised that nobody else seems to have arrived at this conclusion yet. [/sp]

[video]https://twitter.com/HeatherAntos/status/943182303852990464[/video] [editline]19th December 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;52990003]So, a conclusion I came to about the most generally-disliked feature of the film no, not [sp] Super Leia [/sp] but [sp] Space Las Vegas. [/sp] [sp]That was the movie's China ticket. It was all there so the movie will be accepted with minimal cutting by the Chinese Censors. It features a definitely-Chinese protagonist, Rose, in a corrupt Ultra-Capitalist society of profiteers, and tries to laud a token act of petty civil disturbance as the paramount act of taking down the bad guys, even though the total effect of the damage is probably about half a day's revenue, a spot on the nightly news, and a few people saying, "remember the time someone let all the race horses out? That was wild." Like, it's hard to more thoroughly articulate how China-friendly that B-plot is without going in to bulletpoints that spell it out. Everyone comments on how clearly shoe-horned it was, and I'm more surprised that nobody else seems to have arrived at this conclusion yet. [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Rose's actress is of Vietnamese decent[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52990028] [sp]Rose's actress is of Vietnamese decent[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I considered saying vaguely-Asian, but that sounded too... wishywashy, I guess. The point is still that it was a sub-plot meant for the Chinese censors carried by an Asian character, both very obtrusively shoved in to the film. I really couldn't care what ethnicity Rose's actor is. The character all over was an annoyance in almost every aspect, and her sister had more depth and strength in the like, five-ten minutes of screen time she got.[/sp]