Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN
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My "passionate hatred" for the movie sterns from the fact I went to watch a movie with the best intentions and not only I was greeted by a rather mediocre Star Wars story, but also one of the worst film I can remember from my whole life.
I mean, I'm all for personal opinions and am generally happy whenever someone deeply enjoys something I cannot, but, to be blunt, we can't look at a smoking hot shit and claim it's chocolate
[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;52997592]My "passionate hatred" for the movie sterns from the fact I went to watch a movie with the best intentions and not only I was greeted by a rather mediocre Star Wars story, but also one of the worst film I can remember from my whole life.
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You must either watch only top end films or you haven't seen that many films at all.
[url]http://mashable.com/2017/12/20/last-jedi-poll/[/url]
[quote]Get ready for a shock, internet veterans: the folks loudly complaining about the latest Star Wars movie represent a tiny vocal minority.
That's according to a data from SurveyMonkey, revealed here exclusively to Mashable. An audience poll of 4,441 U.S. adults found that of people who've seen Star Wars: The Last Jedi, a whopping 89 percent either loved or liked it. (Loves and likes were evenly divided.)
Interestingly, the 89 percent figure stays the same whether respondents described themselves as a "big" Star Wars fan or a regular fan. Even among self-described non-Star Wars fans — whom, one presumes, must have wandered into the wrong theater — 81 percent loved or liked The Last Jedi.
Only 34 percent of casual fans said they "loved" rather than "liked" the movie, but 63 percent of hardcore fans declared their love. Which suggests that even among the Star Wars cognoscenti — the kind of people who spent years coming up with theories about Rey or Supreme Leader Snoke only to see them squashed — the movie has outsized appeal.[/quote]
the effects and shits were ok but the story and some characters were just horrible imo
[QUOTE=_Chewgum;52997886]the effects and shits were ok but the story and some characters were just horrible imo[/QUOTE]
But the characters that truly matter - Luke, Kylo, Rey - were great.
Here's the box office indexes for the last four films (the last Lucas led movie and the three Disney ones)
[t]https://i.imgur.com/bbuZVL9.jpg[/t]
I believe RotS's graph is like that because it came out on a Wednesday.
[QUOTE=Fort83;52997913]Pretty undeserved considering how bad the writing was. But not surprising since the poll was taken within the first couple days when people still have their nostalgia-goggles on. It was the same for TFA, it did well at first but after a few weeks people saw how mediocre it really was. Though I also wonder how much of that percentage is due in part to a response to the immediate criticism the movie got. People have been pretty upset about others not liking it.[/QUOTE]
Or it could be people like the movie?
[QUOTE=Fort83;52997913]Pretty undeserved considering how bad the writing was. But not surprising since the poll was taken within the first couple days when people still have their nostalgia-goggles on. It was the same for TFA, it did well at first but after a few weeks people saw how mediocre it really was. Though I also wonder how much of that percentage is due in part to a response to the immediate criticism the movie got. People have been pretty upset about others not liking it.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I think this movie will be regarded better once Ep. 9 comes out. Whether it's because the half-baked story arcs of this one will come to fruition or because it will make TLJ look good in comparison, I couldn't say.
I love the movie. Despite its flaws, namely some of the dumb comedy bits in it, I think it's fantastic
if not for some of the bad jokes and a few character arcs that were totally pointless filler, it was easily a 9/10.
if I could watch an edit of the film with just luke/rey/kylo/snoke and a few other bits that actually mattered, that would be awesome.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52997945]My opinion is that if a film relies on another one to be a good movie, it's a shitty movie.[/QUOTE]
Would you say the same thing about an episode of a TV show?
According to the TLJ Visual Dictionary [sp]the Resistance Blasters start firing red on Crait because they're using the left over Civil War era power packs found in the base[/sp]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52997945]My opinion is that if a film relies on another one to be a good movie, it's a shitty movie.[/QUOTE]
Empire Strikes Back wasn't regarded as especially good until Return came along. On its own, the story has many of the same weaknesses as TLJ.
As a big Star Wars fan I give it 6/10 - disappointed.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;52997751]well he did like batman vs superman so[/QUOTE]
Next time you'll even [I]imply[/I] I like that attack to all that is holy I'm going to sue your ass
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52997945]My opinion is that if a film relies on another one to be a good movie, it's a shitty movie.[/QUOTE]
I would also say that if a character's backstory [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leia,_Princess_of_Alderaan]is introduced in a tie-in book[/url] then maybe your script needs a re-write as that character may come off as a confusing mess within that draft.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52997945]My opinion is that if a film relies on another one to be a good movie, it's a shitty movie.[/QUOTE]
??? Literally every middle piece of a trilogy is shit then?
[QUOTE=BanthaFodder;52996773]Not to sound smug or anything but I feel like "no no no, it's a [i]DECONSTRUCTION[/i] of Star Wars" is the most pretentious, pseudo-intellectual film student critique this movie could possibly receive.
It's really not a "deconstruction" just because [sp]it gives Luke a character arc[/sp], especially when the end result is still [sp]Jedi good, Sith bad, Rebels will fight with hope and tenacity, First Order will fight with cruelty and firepower, learn from your mistakes and never give up[/sp].
It just really comes off like someone who isn't smart enough to come up with a legit hot take REALLY wanting to sound like they've got a hot take.
EDIT: Speaking of pseudo-intellectual film student bullshit, I wrote a spoiler-free review of TLJ if anyone's really that curious to see what I thought about it V:v:V
[url]http://whiteguywithnetflix.blogspot.com/2017/12/review-star-wars-episode-viii-last-jedi.html[/url][/QUOTE]
So I don't entirely disagree with you but:
No it's not an art movie, but it's impossible to deny that it has a thematic through line. I think it's also like an actual movie, with character arcs and themes, and creative vision. None of this would be a big deal, all movies have that, but it's kind of rare from the sort of movies Disney's cinematic universe movies are. The problem is that it's not clean, it's a messy plot with messy arcs and messy pacing, and themes that seem directly in conflict with other aspects of the series its set in. It shares a lot with KOTOR in that sense, which is funny because Rian Johnson has talked about KOTOR a fair amount in interviews, and the direction he took the force in this movie is actually very KOTOResque. See, the impasse I'm at is working out whether I prefer the TFA style of being an absolutely fine action adventure movie that's very clean and well put together or TLJ style for doing [I]something[/I] but not being the most competently structured and written film.
I don't know how this line of thinking is pretentious, honestly it's pretty basic and I'm under no illusions that it is anything more than basic. I don't exactly have the most in depth understanding of movies, I'm more of a video game dude.
[QUOTE=Zeos;52997993]??? Literally every middle piece of a trilogy is shit then?[/QUOTE]
*watching The Empire Strikes Back* what the fuck is this garbage??
I thought it was good besides Finn stuff. Kylo and Rey are the best characters for sure and their dynamic gets way more interesting in this one and i'm excited to see where it goes.
I wish they would do away with generic marvel comedy where they set up an emotional note in a scene and completely undercut it at the end with a stupid joke or quip or slapstick thing that doesn't fit.
It seems they still have the problem where they don't have things for Poe and Finn to do at the same time. They should probably have been one character from the beginning instead of filling out the diversity quota.
Was there a Wilhelm scream in TLJ? I honestly don't remember.
[QUOTE=Zeos;52997993]??? Literally every middle piece of a trilogy is shit then?[/QUOTE]
There are plenty of middle piece movies that are great standing alone.
The Dark Knight, for example, is an excellent middle movie that has no dependencies on its previous film or sequel.
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[QUOTE=squids_eye;52997966]Would you say the same thing about an episode of a TV show?[/QUOTE]
I don't think those are comparable?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52997945]My opinion is that if a film relies on another one to be a good movie, it's a shitty movie.[/QUOTE]
I guess the two towers/rotk is bad because you don't know any of the characters or the exposition from the first movie, and they just end in cliffhangers
[QUOTE=Rossy167;52997995]It shares a lot with KOTOR in that sense, which is funny because Rian Johnson has talked about KOTOR a fair amount in interviews, and the direction he took the force in this movie is actually very KOTOResque.
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Can you expand on this a bit? I'm genuinely curious now
[QUOTE=billibobc;52998007]I thought it was good besides Finn stuff. Kylo and Rey are the best characters for sure and their dynamic gets way more interesting in this one and i'm excited to see where it goes.
I wish they would do away with generic marvel comedy where they set up an emotional note in a scene and completely undercut it at the end with a stupid joke or quip or slapstick thing that doesn't fit.
It seems they still have the problem where they don't have things for Poe and Finn to do at the same time. They should probably have been one character from the beginning instead of filling out the diversity quota.[/QUOTE]
diversity quota?? But they're like vastly different characters. What an ignorant statement
Tbh I don't really consider the LOTR films to be 3 movies, just one long film.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52998030]There are plenty of middle piece movies that are great standing alone.
The Dark Knight, for example, is an excellent middle movie that has no dependencies on its previous film or sequel.
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And there are others that require the others to make sense too? Cool I can pull examples of the complete opposite as well? Back to the Future 2 is shit because its plot hinges on both the events of the first film directly, and ends on a dramatic cliffhanger for a third part.
It's a fucking literature device that has existed forever, where there's a middle part that bridges the first and third acts of a larger story, while having a more condensed and more character driven rather story than plot progression
[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;52998037]Can you expand on this a bit? I'm genuinely curious now[/QUOTE]
[sp]Well for starters KOTOR is messy as shit because it's a poorly paced early 2000s RPG cobbled together with a D&D engine. More importantly, to not spoil too much KOTOR attempts to explore the more morally grey areas of Star Wars, criticises the idea of light and dark morality and the militaristic prequel style Jedi as arbiters of right and wrong who smite those they deem unworthy with laser sticks etc etc. It's not too complicated, deep, or nuanced, but it's a neat addition to the OT.[/sp]
If you meant Johnson's connection to KOTOR, it's literally just he's said in interviews that he's a big fan of the game.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52997945]My opinion is that if a film relies on another one to be a good movie, it's a shitty movie.[/QUOTE]
Do you think Back to the Future is shitty?
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