Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great either I guess? I mostly agree with the RLM review, [sp]very bad editting issues, like the whole casino thing or the snoke ship pseudo heist. Blatant errors like why didn't anybody mention the literal huge planet with rebel equipment right on sight until after half the movie was over, this ominous dark hole on the ground with darkness or whatever leading to nothing but a trippy effect, etc. It had some really good ideas and did nothing with them right after, seeing Rey and Kylo team up after killing snoke? that was great, them realizing "actually screw all this" would've brought a completely new direction to the story but then kylo does a 180° and suddenly decides to be comical evil bad guy and try to kill everyone even though he didn't want to kill Leia earlier before his character development? so now everything is back to the exact same status quo, rendering everything pointless pretty much, god that felt so cheap [/sp]

Kylo's character is better than Anakin's simply because he has more of a reason to be bitter. Anakin always just felt like an entitled brat, whereas Kylo's backstory and the way he's played makes him come off as someone with legitimate trauma. Wasn't really a fan of him in TFA, but he's definitely one of the best parts in TLJ. With that said overall I actually disliked the movie - while it's better than the prequels, the movie's a bit of a mess, and I ended up rolling my eyes way more times than I should've. Star Wars movies don't have to be all serious all the time, but they shouldn't be no-tension and dumb all the time either. This movie just had too many plot points that went nowhere, and almost all scenes that carried any weight were immediately defused by some dumb quip ([sp]Kylo actually had a few of the scenes where this wasn't the case, and it helped those parts tremendously[/sp]). I was kinda confused by the polarized response to the movie before I went into, and after seeing it, I'm still confused.

[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;52999152]This doesn't surprise me at all. Especially now that we know the rotten tomatoes user score was flooded with fake reviews by an alt-right manchild worried about the "gayification" of Luke and Poe.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/20/rotten-tomatoes-confirms-its-55-last-jedi-audience-score-is-100-authentic/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/[/url] According to Rotten Tomatoes that is false

Genuinely surprised the majority of people enjoyed the film. Personally I was very disappointed with it.

It sucks that lots of people seem to be taking Mark Hamill's interview without even fully watching then proceed to not even watch the movie because of some "Not my Luke".

[QUOTE=Sweater;53002353]It sucks that lots of people seem to be taking Mark Hamill's interview without even fully watching then proceed to not even watch the movie because of some "Not my Luke".[/QUOTE] Isn't it cool when you're willing to use Mark to further your agenda but when he says he likes the film, you stop respecting him and his word on grounds of him "protecting himself" from Disney, simply because it doesn't support your narrative. Despite the fact Harrison Ford is infamous for openly hating the saga for decades.

[QUOTE=bdd458;53001294]since when in star wars canon has [sp]projection been a thing besides force ghosts???[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Luke did it in the Dark Empire comics. Yarael Poof could do it too. As for Disney canon: Yoda did a variant of it in Rebels.[/sp]

I've been thinking about TLJ for the better part of a week now, and I honestly think it might be my #2 Star Wars movie. It has some goof-ass moments, some of the humor isn't exactly in line with the other movies, but god. 90% of the movie is brilliant. [sp]I even like Canto Bight, up until Rose delivers what I think is the fucking dumbest line in the movie "that's the real victory." I just really loved how the whole movie was about failure. It was so good.[/sp] Empire was still better.

[QUOTE=TheKritter71;53001760][sp]pointless casino plot[/sp] [/QUOTE] why do people keep saying this. [sp]it's where poe's character development comes from, finn finally realizes there's more to fight for than just rey. that's far from pointless[/sp].

[QUOTE=bdd458;53002799]why do people keep saying this. [sp]it's where poe's character development comes from, finn finally realizes there's more to fight for than just rey. that's far from pointless[/sp].[/QUOTE] also [sp]shows you can't pull a wacky plan out of your ass and expect it to work. Alot of action movies do something similar all the time[/sp]

[QUOTE=Wii60;53002919]also [sp]shows you can't pull a wacky plan out of your ass and expect it to work. Alot of action movies do something similar all the time[/sp][/QUOTE] Yea I really love that [sp]They broke the heroic wacky idea working trope and had Finn and friends just completely fail. [/sp]

[QUOTE=Wii60;53002919]also [sp]shows you can't pull a wacky plan out of your ass and expect it to work. Alot of action movies do something similar all the time[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]That is totally undermined by the fact that the dumbest plan in the movie (prank calling Hux) works out, and that Leia's and Laura Dern's plan first and foremost at the very least includes losing their entire fleet, and hinges on the fact that TFO would not care to check the planet they warped to or the wreckage for survivors - or would TFO not even consider that the rebels had transport ships with cloaking devices (that must be commonplace if they're on simple transport ships) and could make it to a nearby planet? The fact that that specific mission ends up disclosing the fact that they're using cloaked transport ships seems like an incredibly unlikely failure state, and hinges on multiple inane missteps on the part of Finn and Rose (disclosing that transport ships were departing from the mother ship to some guy who doesn't need to know, them not bothering to find a proper parking spot for no apparent reason, not getting the right guy etc.) - to the point where it's entirely possible that it could've succeeded, and very likely that they wouldn't make the situation any worse (barring the death of Finn and rose). The fact that they wouldn't even consider such a plan when the alternative is losing at the very least their entire fleet, and - assuming the first order isn't completely incompetent - possibly even more. Maybe Poe is a hothead, but it's hard to call him out when the other plan is so awful.[/sp]

Saw it a third time for the sake of recording a podcast with some friends. This time I decided to play script doctor, focusing on all the parts I didn't like and coming up with ways to fix them: [sp]-First off, Canto Bight is eliminated completely. The Code Breaker ends up being either DJ or Rose, who they find on the Resistance Cruiser. Maybe they've bugged the ship, since they're into coding and all that, and end up overhearing Finn's plan (so it's a kind of "you let me help or I'll tell Holdo" situation). -Instead of Rose, Holdo loses a loved one in the bombing run. This is why she's so needlessly hostile to Poe. In the end, she learns to move past her anger and sacrifice herself for the greater good. -We also get a scene where Holdo explains to one of the bridge officers that she fears there may be a spy on board; she doesn't know how the First Order tracked them through lightspeed and that's the reason she doesn't tell anyone about her plan to hide out on Planet Salt. And then, just for fun (and because I really hated Rose this time around), we get that scene where she stops Finn from sacrificing himself. He runs over to her all "why would you do that", only for her to respond "because I couldn't let you Rebel scum win...". She kisses him and dies. Aside from being a fun twist that gives Rose something interesting beyond "she's like a girl Finn", it also eliminates that stupid mixed meaning of "sacrificing yourself is bad" even though Holdo and Luke's sacrifices are the only reason the Resistance survives. It also gets rid of that dumb highschool romance shit where they imply Rey is jealous now that her orbiter has found a new girl.[/sp] The first time I watched it, I didn't know what to make of it. The second time I watched it, I honed in on all the stuff I liked. The third time, I honed in on all the stuff I didn't like. All in all, it's okay. The Rey/Luke/Kylo storyline is 10/10, the Poe/Holdo storyline is fine (but heavily flawed), and the Finn/Rose storyline was prequel-tier trash.

Spoilers Obviously [video=youtube;RwhLCFR5NJc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwhLCFR5NJc[/video]

Why the fuck is this an issue. Basically there were hints Admiral Holdo is gay, but they explode over it Like who the fuck cares, its such a non issue I didn't even have a thought/realize she might be gay [url]https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/ne4zdq/laura-dern-deserved-better-in-star-wars-the-last-jedi?utm_source=vicefbus[/url]

Just ignore articles like that, there's no reason to get worked up about, and you're giving them clicks.

[QUOTE=mugofdoom;53000937]But it literally starts off seconds from the end of the first film. Without watching the first one you kind of don't fully understand what started off the plot. I mean it kind of explains it in a hilarious, unreliable narrator sort of way, but the beginning is kind of confusing if you haven't seen the first one. [editline]23rd December 2017[/editline] That's because Ash is a highly unreliable narrator, and he's the one relaying these "previously on" stories. The way I saw it is the events of the first film made him go pretty much insane, and his memory of the events of the previous film are affected by his mental state.[/QUOTE] I don't think so, and the thought of that makes me groan It's just because Raimi wasn't associating with the original cast and the recap recon omits several characters which are all missing in evil dead 2. Same deal with AoD, the change just makes for a more interesting opening because ED 2's ending doesn't work well as the intro to a new movie

I am a pretty big Star Wars and quite open towatds a new direction but honestly, objectively seen is this movie a narrative mess and awful. I geniunely feel people will give just this movie a pass because it's Star Wars. Even as a big fan, this movie was at times inexcusable.

[QUOTE=junker|154;53003701]I am a pretty big Star Wars and quite open towatds a new direction but honestly, objectively seen is this movie a narrative mess and awful. I geniunely feel people will give just this movie a pass because it's Star Wars. Even as a big fan, this movie was at times inexcusable.[/QUOTE] That's not what "objectively" means.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;53003714]That's not what "objectively" means.[/QUOTE] That was a weak zinger, being objective is rather hard especially when it comes to such a beloved franchise but if you look at all the plotholes and sideplots that lead to nowhere, it's just a mess.

[QUOTE=junker|154;53003748]That was a weak zinger, being objective is rather hard especially when it comes to such a beloved franchise but if you look at all the plotholes and sideplots that lead to nowhere, it's just a mess.[/QUOTE] There were a lot of problems with it but I wouldn't call it awful by any stretch. Everything surrounding kylo, Rey, and Luke was stellar, and the cinematography was fantastic, there were some absolutely gorgeous shots in there. That's enough to make it at least a decent movie in my book, even with the dumb sideplots and the other issues.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;53003787]There were a lot of problems with it but I wouldn't call it awful by any stretch. Everything surrounding kylo, Rey, and Luke was stellar, and the cinematography was fantastic, there were some absolutely gorgeous shots in there. That's enough to make it at least a decent movie in my book, even with the dumb sideplots and the other issues.[/QUOTE] The visuals and audio of the movie was really stunning and I liked some aspects of the movie, especially how Rey and Ben talked with that force talk thingy. That said, Rey is an incredibly boring character.

no spoilers, stolen from LMAO pics [img]https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25507980_1985946874979133_105418672329675040_n.png?oh=0b37815215ba4ad8c115731bd9ca858f&oe=5AC1DA3F[/img]

[QUOTE=jason3232;52999591]tbh my biggest issue with the film was [sp]Leia flying in space and Holdo's lightspeed kamikaze[/sp], everything else is fine imo. Also I honestly believe [sp]Finn and Rose would succeed their mission, so that kinda surprised me despite the whole part is ultimately pointless.[/sp][/QUOTE] I said this before, but honestly [sp]Leia turning into space Superman didn't bother me. This is a space fantasy film, maybe she can use the force, that's fine. Same with the metal lightspeed kamikaze, or the fact that bombs can drop in space or whatever. This feels like nitpicking to me, there's magic and technology in this universe that I don't understand nor need to understand and that's fine.[/sp] [sp]What bothers me is the dumb characters. Why is Poe so stupid? Why is Holdo so stupid? Why did nothing happen for half the movie? That's what bugs me.[/sp]

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53002095]Kylo's character is better than Anakin's simply because he has more of a reason to be bitter. Anakin always just felt like an entitled brat, whereas Kylo's backstory and the way he's played makes him come off as someone with legitimate trauma. Wasn't really a fan of him in TFA, but he's definitely one of the best parts in TLJ.[/QUOTE] Does being taken away from your only family member at 9 by a group of strict religious zealots not count as a reason to be bitter? Especially considering they forced him to suppress his emotions and never even gave him proper credit. It's no wonder the dude ended up killing younglings.

That has to be an edit... right?

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;53004061]That has to be an edit... right?[/QUOTE] nah its genuine concept art another shot of it [t]https://i.imgur.com/UrgMxA9.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Wii60;53004066]nah its genuine concept art another shot of it[/QUOTE] Holy shit. Somebody's getting fired.

so uuuuuuh someone posted this in a discord group [url]https://i.imgur.com/iaF5p2U.jpg[/url] Involves very minor spoilers but is also potentially nsfw [sp]it's a 4-panel comic of shirtless wide-torso kylo ren being milked by luke[/sp]

[QUOTE=Skerion;53004117][sp]it's a 4-panel comic of shirtless wide-torso kylo ren being milked by luke[/sp][/QUOTE] This is why the jedi must end