Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

I will say the way that [sp]Mr potato head was killed[/sp] actually felt extremely clever and satisfying

[QUOTE=Scarabix;53005652][sp]The casino plotline introduces the character of DJ. Part of me wants that forty-five minutes of the movie justified by having this stuttering, friendly-looking character be the big baddie in the end. It’s one of the places they can go now that he’s established as having sold ships to both the rebellion and the first order. [/sp][/QUOTE] pretty sure [sp]DJ himself was not an arms dealer? just a scumbag who sold out the resistance so he wouldnt be killed by the first order. The person who owned the ship they stole was the person dealing ships to FO and resistance[/sp]

[QUOTE=Sableye;53005618][Sp] "sir i'm detecting lots of transport sized ships leaving the big ship." "Perkins, did I tell you to track anything other than that single heavy cruiser? Get back to work!" [/sp] [editline]25th December 2017[/editline] Ya [sp] that seemed like they couldn't get billy D williams for the part, even for a cameo[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Billy Dee is ALWAYS ready and willing to play Lando. He voiced him in Battlefront 2 and he was on the set of Solo to discuss Lando with Donald Glover[/sp]

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;53005664]pretty sure [sp]DJ himself was not an arms dealer? just a scumbag who sold out the resistance so he wouldnt be killed by the first order. The person who owned the ship they stole was the person dealing ships to FO and resistance[/sp][/QUOTE] But what if [Sp]that’s just his ship and he didn’t steal anything? We don’t even know what he’s in jail for to begin with. This is a big stretch, but how in the world does he know anything about the escape fleet that he can tip off the first order about it? Unless he had a hand in the making or sale of the rebel fleet. Otherwise that’s a plothole to put on the list unless I’m very mistaken, because I don’t see how in hell he could have ever known about the cloaked escape pods Someone with more than one screening under their belt please post some sense into me, I really don’t have time during the day to go see TLJ again[/sp]

[QUOTE=Scarabix;53005683]But what if [Sp]that’s just his ship and he didn’t steal anything? We don’t even know what he’s in jail for to begin with. This is a big stretch, but how in the world does he know anything about the escape fleet that he can tip off the first order about it? Unless he had a hand in the making or sale of the rebel fleet. Otherwise that’s a plothole to put on the list unless I’m very mistaken, because I don’t see how in hell he could have ever known about the cloaked escape pods Someone with more than one screening under their belt please post some sense into me, I really don’t have time during the day to go see TLJ again[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]poe blabs about the transports over the comms when Finn, Rose, BB-8, and DJ are enroute to the Supremecy. He heard Poe talk about them to Finn and Rose.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Scarabix;53005652][sp]The casino plotline introduces the character of DJ. Part of me wants that forty-five minutes of the movie justified by having this stuttering, friendly-looking character be the big baddie in the end. It’s one of the places they can go now that he’s established as having sold ships to both the rebellion and the first order and there’s only so many places he can go now that he’s sold Finn and Rose off, besides never reappear again. At this point in the trilogy I’m mostly wondering who (in universe) is financing this morbid, seemingly pointless reenactment of the rebel/empire war. The casino arc is the closest we get to a part of the answer, where we get to know where all of the first order buys all their shit, though now we don’t know how they pay for it. All in all this movie had me questionning the rebel alliance/first order’s relevance in the galaxy a lot. The last scene of the stable boy getting enlisted with the rebel alliance I found rather disturbing, what with both factions running short on manpower, which would effectively mean the end of the war in the stars, if only they would stop recruiting children to die for them. This is probably why I’m looking for a bigger villain here, regardless of Snoke’s death; the first order is looking more and more like it will die before we get to know where it came from. An unexpected archvillain seems to be more of where they’re heading with the gray morality theme in this trilogy and what they could be hinting at with the discourse on greed throughout most of the casino arc. As for the film I liked it, it was stupid fun and gave me loose ends to play with, whereas I hated TFA.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I figured this endless war was part of Johnson's schtick, comparing this endless loop of rebels vs empire to the endless loop we could easily get Star Wars stuck in. Breaking that cycle whilst remaining inside the predefined boundaries of Disney seemed to be the entire point of TLJ. [/sp] At this point I'm 3 layers of interpretation into my space laser movie though so who knows.

[sp]There was a very brief moment when Luke was talking about the hypocrisy and failure of the Jedi and how they needed to die out when I almost thought that he was gonna end up going full KOTOR 2. Of course I know that they would never actually have the balls to do something like that in a mainline movie but for a very brief period of time I thought something genuinely cool might have come of it, but unfortunately no, they didn't commit to it at all.[/sp]

Would anyone happen to, by some miracle, already have clear images of [sp]Holdo's cruiser's lightspeed impact?[/sp] [sp]I knew it was going to be very cool, but when it happened my jaw nearly dropped. It was so beautiful. I want to use one of the shots for a wallpaper at the least.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Scarabix;53005683]But what if [Sp]that’s just his ship and he didn’t steal anything?[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp]Why would he be rummaging through and stealing shit from his own ship?[/sp]

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;53005888]Would anyone happen to, by some miracle, already have clear images of [sp]Holdo's cruiser's lightspeed impact?[/sp] [sp]I knew it was going to be very cool, but when it happened my jaw nearly dropped. It was so beautiful. I want to use one of the shots for a wallpaper at the least.[/sp][/QUOTE][sp]The sound design in that scene was great. It was like a seismic charge on steroids.[/sp]

[QUOTE=DChapsfield;53005888]Would anyone happen to, by some miracle, already have clear images of [sp]Holdo's cruiser's lightspeed impact?[/sp] [sp]I knew it was going to be very cool, but when it happened my jaw nearly dropped. It was so beautiful. I want to use one of the shots for a wallpaper at the least.[/sp][/QUOTE] Man when that shit happened my entire theatre was silent, and there were like 100+ people in there, you could have heard a pen drop, it was something else, easily the coolest part of the movie.

I had some blokey asshole just loudly go "Booooom" during that scene and people laughed and it threw me out of the moment because I was so annoyed by what he did and the idea that it was so funny to ruin the gravity of a great scene that you just have to laugh and guffaw during a movie like a troglodyte [editline]26th December 2017[/editline] if you wanna laugh at a movie laugh at the comedy bits :v:

[QUOTE=ThatCrazyGmanV2;53005947] if you wanna laugh at a movie laugh at the comedy bits :v:[/QUOTE] Hey man in this film drama and comedy can turn on a fucking dime. No time for laughter is safe.

[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;53005965]Hey man in this film drama and comedy can turn on a fucking dime. No time for laughter is safe.[/QUOTE] oh fuck you're right... god that was the fucking worst tho

Could someone explain to me, why a giant ship with tons of smaller escorts didn't just advance on the ships running out of juice?

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[QUOTE=Scarabix;53005652][sp]At this point in the trilogy I’m mostly wondering who (in universe) is financing this morbid, seemingly pointless reenactment of the rebel/empire war. The casino arc is the closest we get to a part of the answer, where we get to know where all of the first order buys all their shit, though now we don’t know how they pay for it. All in all this movie had me questionning the rebel alliance/first order’s relevance in the galaxy a lot. The last scene of the stable boy getting enlisted with the rebel alliance I found rather disturbing, what with both factions running short on manpower, which would effectively mean the end of the war in the stars, if only they would stop recruiting children to die for them. This is probably why I’m looking for a bigger villain here, regardless of Snoke’s death; the first order is looking more and more like it will die before we get to know where it came from. An unexpected archvillain seems to be more of where they’re heading with the gray morality theme in this trilogy and what they could be hinting at with the discourse on greed throughout most of the casino arc.[/sp][/QUOTE][sp]both admiral Thrawn (and by extension the Chiss Ascendancy) and Darth Sidious apparently foresaw an external, nigh-unstoppable threat forming somewhere in or beyond the Unknown Regions of the galaxy, with Papa Palpatine especially keeping a close eye on the distant stars during his reign. at some point it was hinted that superweapons like the Death Star were needed part because nothing of smaller caliber could hope to counter whatever it was that was gathering strength in the darkness of space, and the Empire would be one of the few things capable of fighting it due to actually possessing the resources to construct such technology. could Disney be playing the long game and be somehow setting things up for a huge clusterfuck coming from the U.R., something that would hold great interest in destabilizing the major players of the local universe through things like the Resistance/First Order war? and could the poor recently-departed Snoke be related to this somehow? or maybe i'm overthinking it and Snoke WAS the thing the Chiss and Palpatine were afraid of?[/sp]

[QUOTE=Sims_doc;53006064]Could someone explain to me, why a giant ship with tons of smaller escorts didn't just advance on the ships running out of juice?[/QUOTE] [Sp]As explained to Hux by the admiral guy, the resistance ships are lighter and faster than the star destroyers. The resistance were just keeping out of range so their fuel lasted longer.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Joazzz;53006168][sp]both admiral Thrawn (and by extension the Chiss Ascendancy) and Darth Sidious apparently foresaw an external, nigh-unstoppable threat forming somewhere in or beyond the Unknown Regions of the galaxy, with Papa Palpatine especially keeping a close eye on the distant stars during his reign. at some point it was hinted that superweapons like the Death Star were needed part because nothing of smaller caliber could hope to counter whatever it was that was gathering strength in the darkness of space, and the Empire would be one of the few things capable of fighting it due to actually possessing the resources to construct such technology. could Disney be playing the long game and be somehow setting things up for a huge clusterfuck coming from the U.R., something that would hold great interest in destabilizing the major players of the local universe through things like the Resistance/First Order war? and could the poor recently-departed Snoke be related to this somehow? or maybe i'm overthinking it and Snoke WAS the thing the Chiss and Palpatine were afraid of?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]It's all out the window now because of Legends but I'm pretty sure that was the Yuuzhan Vong, some weirdo pain-fetishists that invaded the galaxy and killed a bunch of Skywalkers in the process All old Extended Universe novels that aren't canon anymore (And were garbage)[/sp]

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;53006207][sp]It's all out the window now because of Legends but I'm pretty sure that was the Yuuzhan Vong, some weirdo pain-fetishists that invaded the galaxy and killed a bunch of Skywalkers in the process All old Extended Universe novels that aren't canon anymore (And were garbage)[/sp][/QUOTE]yeah, but since what i posted is info from the new canon, there's still a small chance they'll make an appearance in some form, they'd certainly make a good villain faction if done properly

Honestly even if you don't like the new direction I feel like you should applaud it anyway, because when TFA came out we all had to acknowledge that it was a completely safe retread of A New Hope and didn't have much new to offer. And some people hated that and some were fine with it as long as it was just to get everyone back in on the series. The Last Jedi might not be what you wanted creatively but it is [I]creative,[/I] it's not safe and it did something different. And if you don't like it then that's a lesson as to what being different actually implies. If we want Disney to really get creative with Star Wars then we can't also shy away from the fact that being creative and different doesn't [I]always[/I] net you good movies. Hence why the movie industry is so safe now. Not always getting the best film when you dare to do something different is just the risk you accept, and you accept it because sometimes you get the [I]best[/I] movies. I would rather have them try over and over again and potentially fail a lot more times before hitting gold rather than just get Return of the Jedi: The Squeakquel next time. I really hope the negative reception to the movie doesn't prevent Rian from getting his own trilogy, I feel like he could absolutely shine if given the ability to make a trilogy based on KOTOR or even just his own ideas.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;53006209]yeah, but since what i posted is info from the new canon, there's still a small chance they'll make an appearance in some form, they'd certainly make a good villain faction if done properly[/QUOTE] Oh I didn't realize the spooky even-more outer space threat was still current Yeah that'd be okay then. I don't really expect it because that feels too bold for something like Star Wars, where they can remake the same few movies with new characters forever and be guaranteed fat stacks at least for the next decade

[sp]Did I imagine the kid at the end force pulling the broom to him?[/sp]

[QUOTE=DeathBacon;53006240][sp]Did I imagine the kid at the end force pulling the broom to him?[/sp][/QUOTE] No you did not. I did NOT catch it on my first viewing but I’ve heard reviews where they mention it. [sp]This should come as little surprise since, you’ll remember that the force has awakened, from, well, the eponymous movie. With how the force seems to work in this canon, this new awakening might come to restore balance to the force with Luke’s death, or might even partially be Luke’s doing. Whom knows anymore.[/sp]

Am I crazy or did [sp] red broach master hacker craps guy appear in the room with the hyperspace tracker, stand in the background, say nothing, and then disappear?[/sp] I'm still having trouble figuring out if I just imagined that or if it was actually in the film

[QUOTE=Sableye;53005618][Sp] "sir i'm detecting lots of transport sized ships leaving the big ship." "Perkins, did I tell you to track anything other than that single heavy cruiser? Get back to work!" [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I think there was something about the transports being cloaked, so they'd have been unaware until Hackerman told them where to look. Then again I only saw the movie once so I might be entirely misremembering that.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;53006260]Am I crazy or did [sp] red broach master hacker craps guy appear in the room with the hyperspace tracker, stand in the background, say nothing, and then disappear?[/sp] I'm still having trouble figuring out if I just imagined that or if it was actually in the film[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that wasn't him.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;53006216]Honestly even if you don't like the new direction I feel like you should applaud it anyway, because when TFA came out we all had to acknowledge that it was a completely safe retread of A New Hope and didn't have much new to offer. And some people hated that and some were fine with it as long as it was just to get everyone back in on the series. The Last Jedi might not be what you wanted creatively but it is [I]creative,[/I] it's not safe and it did something different. And if you don't like it then that's a lesson as to what being different actually implies. If we want Disney to really get creative with Star Wars then we can't also shy away from the fact that being creative and different doesn't [I]always[/I] net you good movies. Hence why the movie industry is so safe now. Not always getting the best film when you dare to do something different is just the risk you accept, and you accept it because sometimes you get the [I]best[/I] movies. I would rather have them try over and over again and potentially fail a lot more times before hitting gold rather than just get Return of the Jedi: The Squeakquel next time. I really hope the negative reception to the movie doesn't prevent Rian from getting his own trilogy, I feel like he could absolutely shine if given the ability to make a trilogy based on KOTOR or even just his own ideas.[/QUOTE] The argument that "this is what "different" looks like! Applaud or admit that you just want retreads of the old movies!" is just, well, dumb. Things can be different in many ways (TFA in many ways was different, except, you know, the whole plot line), so there's definitely still room to produce something bad. The prequels were "different" (and more so than TLJ) too, and I don't think it makes me a mindless drone to say that those movies probably weren't the best thing since sliced bread. The argument that TLJ was somehow a risk-taking movie... Ehh? What were the the risks? I can come up with maybe one, and we won't even see if that was really a risk until the next movie as far as I'm concerned. Unless you count "not being Empire all over again" as a risk, I don't really get it.

In the star wars universe, nobody looks out of the windows

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;53006207][sp]It's all out the window now because of Legends but I'm pretty sure that was the Yuuzhan Vong, some weirdo pain-fetishists that invaded the galaxy and killed a bunch of Skywalkers in the process All old Extended Universe novels that aren't canon anymore (And were garbage)[/sp][/QUOTE] Darth Bane trilogy ain't garbage m8. I liked them better than I liked KOTOR (same writer)