Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN
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[QUOTE=Lambda 217;53006294][sp]I think there was something about the transports being cloaked, so they'd have been unaware until Hackerman told them where to look. Then again I only saw the movie once so I might be entirely misremembering that.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[Sp]"but no ship that small can have a cloaking device!"[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sableye;53006469][Sp]"but no ship that small can have a cloaking device!"[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]It's been three decades (in-universe) since that line was said. Technology's advanced more since then.
Plus according to the TLJ ICS it isn't a full on "cloak" on the lifeboats, but a device that dampens power readings from craft so they don't show up on enemy sensors.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Blueleaf;53006481][sp]It's been three decades (in-universe) since that line was said. Technology's advanced more since then.
Plus according to the TLJ ICS it isn't a full on "cloak" on the lifeboats, but a device that dampens power readings from craft so they don't show up on enemy sensors.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Technology does not advance in star wars.
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;53005888]Would anyone happen to, by some miracle, already have clear images of [sp]Holdo's cruiser's lightspeed impact?[/sp]
[sp]I knew it was going to be very cool, but when it happened my jaw nearly dropped. It was so beautiful. I want to use one of the shots for a wallpaper at the least.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Sure: [sp]https://webmshare.com/play/MyYZb[/sp]
Heavy spoilers, obviously.
[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;53006169][Sp]As explained to Hux by the admiral guy, the resistance ships are lighter and faster than the star destroyers. The resistance were just keeping out of range so their fuel lasted longer.[/Sp][/QUOTE]
Why would they focus their attention on the smaller ships when you've got a bigger threat?
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53006314]The argument that "this is what "different" looks like! Applaud or admit that you just want retreads of the old movies!" is just, well, dumb. Things can be different in many ways (TFA in many ways was different, except, you know, the whole plot line), so there's definitely still room to produce something bad. The prequels were "different" (and more so than TLJ) too, and I don't think it makes me a mindless drone to say that those movies probably weren't the best thing since sliced bread.
The argument that TLJ was somehow a risk-taking movie... Ehh? What were the the risks? I can come up with maybe one, and we won't even see if that was really a risk until the next movie as far as I'm concerned. Unless you count "not being Empire all over again" as a risk, I don't really get it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah this is the weirdest thing about the reaction to this movie to me. Everyone keeps talking about how "different" this movie is and yet it barely seemed that different from usual Star Wars at all.
[QUOTE=Sableye;53006483]Technology does not advance in star wars.[/QUOTE]
It's very clear that it does, it just advances [I]very slowly[/I] and inconsistently.
[QUOTE=Sableye;53006483]Technology does not advance in star wars.[/QUOTE]
One of the main plot elements ([sp] hyperspace tracking[/sp]) was a result of the technology advancing.
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;53006520]Why would they focus their attention on the smaller ships when you've got a bigger threat?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you mean? [sp] the FO were never focused on just the smaller ships, they were always focused on the entire group. The smaller ships just happened to run out of fuel before the capital ship and fell into the range of the first order fleet[/sp]
[QUOTE=Blueleaf;53006481][sp]It's been three decades (in-universe) since that line was said. Technology's advanced more since then.
Plus according to the TLJ ICS it isn't a full on "cloak" on the lifeboats, but a device that dampens power readings from craft so they don't show up on enemy sensors.[/sp][/QUOTE]
It's irrelevant given that [sp]ALL of the eyes of the First Order were on that ONE ship. How could they possibly miss little shuttles coming out of it? Does no one look outside a damn window? It's really a matter of "how did you fuck up that badly"[/sp]
I don't know about you but I hate plot inventions with no setup in general like the [sp]hyperspace tracking. Also I keep hearing Finn was like a janitor/low level trooper. Second movie in a row I feel like he showcased he has way more knowledge and skills than your average grunt.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Marden;53006660]I don't know about you but I hate plot inventions with no setup in general like the [sp]hyperspace tracking. Also I keep hearing Finn was like a janitor/low level trooper. Second movie in a row I feel like he showcased he has way more knowledge and skills than your average grunt.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]That continues to bug me. How fucking much do stormtroopers LEARN during their time being raised to SHOOT SHIT.
'oh yeh its got a thermal oscillator its right there blow that up we're good'
'nah man i don know how to turn off shields'
'oh well if they have a [plot device tracker] then it'll be here and we have to blow it up juuuuust right also we need a [random new character] to do it because I know just enough about their security to know I can't crack it myself'
'OH NO ITS [miniturized death star tech]'
Its like he was a janitor on [I]every single major FO installation, research base, ship, and super weapon[/I] and personally cleaned every single critical component.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53006656]It's irrelevant given that [sp]ALL of the eyes of the First Order were on that ONE ship. How could they possibly miss little shuttles coming out of it? Does no one look outside a damn window? It's really a matter of "how did you fuck up that badly"[/sp][/QUOTE]
After a bit more thought, it's even more dumb - [sp]if the Resistance were to abandon ship, how did the FO -not- think to keep an eye on the ONE planet nearby that they could have fled to? Especially given that the FO -knew- they were running out of fuel? Did they honest to god expect the Resistance to just sit there and take the pounding until they were dead and not try anything?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;53006216]Honestly even if you don't like the new direction I feel like you should applaud it anyway, because when TFA came out we all had to acknowledge that it was a completely safe retread of A New Hope and didn't have much new to offer. And some people hated that and some were fine with it as long as it was just to get everyone back in on the series.
The Last Jedi might not be what you wanted creatively but it is [I]creative,[/I] it's not safe and it did something different. And if you don't like it then that's a lesson as to what being different actually implies. If we want Disney to really get creative with Star Wars then we can't also shy away from the fact that being creative and different doesn't [I]always[/I] net you good movies. Hence why the movie industry is so safe now.
Not always getting the best film when you dare to do something different is just the risk you accept, and you accept it because sometimes you get the [I]best[/I] movies. I would rather have them try over and over again and potentially fail a lot more times before hitting gold rather than just get Return of the Jedi: The Squeakquel next time.
I really hope the negative reception to the movie doesn't prevent Rian from getting his own trilogy, I feel like he could absolutely shine if given the ability to make a trilogy based on KOTOR or even just his own ideas.[/QUOTE]
I don't think we should always applaud something just for being different. I'm definitely glad that this movie had what could be described as a creative vision of a writer/director which is always something that should be encouraged, but especially after TFA, Rogue One and the Marvel movies. I do however feel that the movie could have been better in a lot of ways and weirdly enough a lot of it comes down to what we'd call creativity. The specific themes the movie decides to tackle and the character arcs make the actual sequence of events quite dissatisfying and while that isn't inherently bad I'm not sure it's what I want Star Wars to be. That being said I'm certain many people are more than OK with that.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;53006216]Honestly even if you don't like the new direction I feel like you should applaud it anyway, because when TFA came out we all had to acknowledge that it was a completely safe retread of A New Hope and didn't have much new to offer. And some people hated that and some were fine with it as long as it was just to get everyone back in on the series.
The Last Jedi might not be what you wanted creatively but it is [I]creative,[/I] it's not safe and it did something different. And if you don't like it then that's a lesson as to what being different actually implies. If we want Disney to really get creative with Star Wars then we can't also shy away from the fact that being creative and different doesn't [I]always[/I] net you good movies. Hence why the movie industry is so safe now.
Not always getting the best film when you dare to do something different is just the risk you accept, and you accept it because sometimes you get the [I]best[/I] movies. I would rather have them try over and over again and potentially fail a lot more times before hitting gold rather than just get Return of the Jedi: The Squeakquel next time.
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Suppose that towards the end of The Return of the King movie, as the two hobbits were climbing towards the top of Mount Doom and the Free Folks were making their last stand against the Dark Lord at the Black Gate, Frodo would do a misstep, fall from the mountain and die, thus reuniting Sauron with the One Ring and allowing him to kill all the heroes and conquer Middle-Earth.
Would you had praised Peter Jackson for the intelligent and completely unexpected "creative" twist or insult him and his narrative skill to the kingdom come for pulling all of the above right up his ass for the sake of shocking you in the most asinine and abrupted way possible just for the sake of "doing something new"?
Also I will never understand the tendency of several fandoms to greet everything new for their favorite fiction coming their way as good or even great only on the assumption that "At the very least we got something new for our favorite stuff!".
I mean, shouldn't you at the very least ask for everything coming to your beloved fandom to be [I]tolerable[/I] or even just average instead of swallowing everything you get for a misplaced sense of pride?
I just saw a post regarding Rian changing a massive thing between Finn and Rose... to the point where it's actually kinda fucked up and I'm genuinely pissed that it was changed.
[QUOTE=Zeos;53007413]I just saw a post regarding Rian changing a massive thing between Finn and Rose... to the point where it's actually kinda fucked up and I'm genuinely pissed that it was changed.[/QUOTE]
I definitely wouldn't have been able to tolerate [sp]a 45 minute uncensored sex scene.[/sp] Good thing they cut that out!
[QUOTE=Zeos;53007413]I just saw a post regarding Rian changing a massive thing between Finn and Rose... to the point where it's actually kinda fucked up and I'm genuinely pissed that it was changed.[/QUOTE]
So uhm, what was it?
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53007515]So uhm, what was it?[/QUOTE]
[url]https://78.media.tumblr.com/b3e49616142b0f5d68bd35373c5a5f2f/tumblr_p1jw79vO571qmd1m7o1_1280.jpg[/url]
It's a little on the nose, but it sure as hell beats the sudden appearance of this character and gives weight to their existence
[QUOTE=Zeos;53007536][url]https://78.media.tumblr.com/b3e49616142b0f5d68bd35373c5a5f2f/tumblr_p1jw79vO571qmd1m7o1_1280.jpg[/url]
It's a little on the nose, but it sure as hell beats the sudden appearance of this character and gives weight to their existence[/QUOTE]
That sounds too corny, even for Star Wars. Which is pretty damn impressive tbh.
[QUOTE=Marden;53006660]I don't know about you but I hate plot inventions with no setup in general like the [sp]hyperspace tracking. Also I keep hearing Finn was like a janitor/low level trooper. Second movie in a row I feel like he showcased he has way more knowledge and skills than your average grunt.[/sp][/QUOTE]
That would be the entire point. FO sees FN numbernumbernumber, Finn IRL is a cool dude who doesn't afraid of giant lasers and am pretty cool guy at all the things, because the FO doesn't care about fulfilling potential they care about taking and keeping power for themselves, they would never know that.
Also if no one figures out the thing, the movie can't really move forward, can it.
Not saying it's a good method of characterization, it sure as hell isn't subtle, but it's one of the tent poles highlighting the differences between the good guys and the bad guys.
[QUOTE=27X;53007570]That would the entire point. FO sees FN numbernumbernumber, Finn IRL is a cool dude who doesn't afraid of giant lasers and am pretty cool guy at all the things, because the FO doesn't care about fulfilling potential they care about taking and keeping power for themselves, they would never know that.
Also if no one figures out the thing, the movie can't really move forward, can it.
Not saying it's good method of characterization, it sure as hell isn't subtle, but it's one of the tent poles of the differences between the good guys and the bad guys.[/QUOTE]
Well what annoys me is that [sp]no one but Finn and some random mechanic has any idea that it might be a thing. Did Rose not realize it'd be important information for the resistance leadership? Everyone seems puzzled about the fact that they were even able to track them (even Snoke is at least implied to not know about the tech), but Rose and Finn figure out in a couple of seconds exactly how they were tracked, and what they need to shut down to fix it? There was kinda no setup for her to know about stuff like that.[/sp]
Of course the plot needs to move along, but yeah, it wasn't exactly elegant imo.
Hey guys, I have a question. [sp]There were still some destroyers left after the Kamikaze right?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Cliff2;53007622]Hey guys, I have a question. [sp]There were still some destroyers left after the Kamikaze right?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yes. Going back to watch it a second time at least two escape Holdo's kamikaze. The suprecmacy is so massive that a good part of it probably still functions too. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Butthurter;53007647]its star wars, im pretty sure theres still a couple million more of those laying around somewhere[/QUOTE]
[sp]According to the Battlefront 2 SP the FO has hundreds of Star Destroyers[/sp]
[sp]Still, it’s a crushing blow to the First Order. Imagine how it’ll play out in the propaganda. One ship destroyed a fleet of Star Destroyers, the First Order flagship, and a dreadnought. Their supreme leader is dead. They may have the power to win, but they might lose the initiative to fight.[/sp]
[QUOTE=overwatch pvt;53007646][sp]Yes. Going back to watch it a second time at least two escape Holdo's kamikaze. The suprecmacy is so massive that a good part of it probably still functions too. [/sp][/QUOTE]
Then I have a followup question. [sp]How will the Falcon escape? They said each of the destroyers is capable of FTL tracking. Maybe they have to be in a certain range to activate it?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Cliff2;53007696]Then I have a followup question. [sp]How will the Falcon escape? They said each of the destroyers is capable of FTL tracking. Maybe they have to be in a certain range to activate it?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[Sp]That's my guess. gotta be close enough to get the hyperspace signature or whatever. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Cliff2;53007696]Then I have a followup question. [sp]How will the Falcon escape? They said each of the destroyers is capable of FTL tracking. Maybe they have to be in a certain range to activate it?[/sp][/QUOTE]
This IS the empire's stepchild we're talking about here, they've been shown to be even more incompetent than the old empire when it comes to these sort of things.
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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53007585]Well what annoys me is that [sp]no one but Finn and some random mechanic has any idea that it might be a thing. Did Rose not realize it'd be important information for the resistance leadership? Everyone seems puzzled about the fact that they were even able to track them (even Snoke is at least implied to not know about the tech), but Rose and Finn figure out in a couple of seconds exactly how they were tracked, and what they need to shut down to fix it? There was kinda no setup for her to know about stuff like that.[/sp]
Of course the plot needs to move along, but yeah, it wasn't exactly elegant imo.[/QUOTE]
Ya [sp] Finn does not come off as the kind of guy who would even have access to, let alone know everything about basically every ship and weapon in the FOs arsenal. Granted the big breaching cannon might be something they publish in some annual magazine because its big and hardly a secret but top secret cutting edge stuff like sensors and ftl trackers they would want to keep under wraps.
Also this is the second time the movies have spent a lot of time on a plot revolving around something Finn happens to know off the top of his head, and happens to know without any technical documentation exactly how to defeat it[/sp]
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